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hha obama are you offended ?
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the government should be thanking businesses for the taxes they pay which built all the bridges and infastructure..
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Obama is a socialist by his own admission. Liberals can't deny this one, but they will try and justify it somehow, liberalism is a disease, in which only knowledge then wisdom can cure...
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We the people have much more power then the government but know one wants to do anything about it .
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you guys are fucking killing me, I want Obama to be succeeded like everyone else but shit like this is baseless. Its a clip that remove from its context sounds bad, it isnt at all what he said. I wanna hear some real ideas about how we are gonna fix america other than another puppet. GOP fucked up with its magical underwear wearing billionaire, We needed Ron Paul!!!!!
What we need is an American! Not some two-bit career politician! The best leaders of this country never wanted to be President! Now you've got politicians that base their whole carrier around getting to the White House! People need to realize they have the power to change the way this country is. Until then it doesn't matter who sits in the seat of power. The president doesn't rule over us, politicians don't rule over us, the government doesn't rule over us! We are THEIR boss! We GIVE them power and WE can TAKE THAT POWER BACK! The problem is nobody want to do that, they are afraid of our government... "People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people". That is one of the best quotes EVER!
Thank you! I will say this in regards to the second part of your post...
Our government has been far to big for far too long. We never reined it in and we are paying for it now.
yes we did!!!!!!
And yet those businesses can't seem fix the economy.
fucking mule.
Which speaks volume about how ignorant "the people" are these days.
Obama does need to familiarize himself better with the term entrepreneur.
try to keep up nitwit, obama is fixing the economy. yeah right.
obama needs to familiarize himself with some movers, to move his family and himself out of the "White House"
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What Context?
By Erik Soderstrom, July 18, 2012
If you haven't seen it, here's the video I uploaded a few days ago.
Obama: If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That ... - YouTube
The comments were split roughly evenly between those who were understandably upset by the President's flippant attitude towards the hard work of entrepreneurs, and liberals who did their best to run cover for the president. The latter group had one argument: "this is out of context." Unfortunately for them, brevity does not imply a lack of context. And despite claims to the contrary, I am not afraid of people seeing the "full context." I linked to the White House transcript both in the video description and in my corresponding blog post.
Here is the relevant section from Obama's Roanoke speech (and here, again, is the full transcript):
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn't -- look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you?ve got a business ? you didn?t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn?t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don?t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
The first paragraph is blatant pandering to labor and downplaying of risk, entrepreneurship, and innovation. Although it?s true that Apple could not sell millions of iPhones without the factory workers who assemble the devices, labor and management are not equally responsible for the device?s success. Labor is merely fulfilling a contract. But Obama?s rhetoric states just the opposite. If you were to read only this paragraph, you would have to conclude that there is no difference between the grunt on the assembly line and Steve Jobs himself. You would also have to conclude that success is based entirely on luck as the person who succeeds is no harder working, no smarter, and no more innovative than the one who fails.
The third paragraph is a straw man, and a typical bait and switch. Nobody, nobody, not one single person I know of is advocating that we eliminate the fire department. Furthermore, fire departments have a long history of public sector and private sector cooperation. In an article contrasting private fire services with Obama?s healthcare vision, the Heritage Foundation provided an excellent example of how private fire services can greatly reduce the cost of fire protection in a municipality. In short, we get better results, not when government tries to provide the service itself, but when individuals pay a specialized, private-sector provider to supply the service.
At last, we get to the crux of the argument. The liberal defense of Obama hinges on the ?that? referring, not to the business, but rather to the ?roads and bridges? in the previous sentence. This is nonsense, and here are three reasons why: First, ?If you?ve got a business, you didn?t build that.? is a clear conditional statement which is logically consistent with the followup, ?Somebody else made that happen.?
Second, if we assume ?that? refers to ?roads and bridges? we arrive at a conclusion that is demonstrably false. Publicly financed roads are ultimately built by the taxpayers. The taxpayers include business owners, and in many cases business pay a significant portion of the tax burden. As such, business owners demonstrably do pay to build the ?roads and bridges.? Or, for the more comically direct route, you could simply note that for some businesses, building ?roads and bridges? is their only business.
Finally, even if you don?t buy the two preceding arguments, ?that? still couldn?t refer to ?roads and bridges.? ?That? is a singular pronoun and ?roads and bridges? is a set of plural nouns. Everyone who has taken elementary English should know pronouns and their antecedents must be in agreement. Surely the greatest orator of our generation knows this. If Obama had been referring to ?roads and bridges,? he would have used the plural, ?those.?
From What Context?
By Erik Soderstrom, July 18, 2012
If you haven't seen it, here's the video I uploaded a few days ago.
Obama: If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That ... - YouTube
The comments were split roughly evenly between those who were understandably upset by the President's flippant attitude towards the hard work of entrepreneurs, and liberals who did their best to run cover for the president. The latter group had one argument: "this is out of context." Unfortunately for them, brevity does not imply a lack of context. And despite claims to the contrary, I am not afraid of people seeing the "full context." I linked to the White House transcript both in the video description and in my corresponding blog post.
Here is the relevant section from Obama's Roanoke speech (and here, again, is the full transcript):
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn't -- look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you?ve got a business ? you didn?t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn?t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don?t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
The first paragraph is blatant pandering to labor and downplaying of risk, entrepreneurship, and innovation. Although it?s true that Apple could not sell millions of iPhones without the factory workers who assemble the devices, labor and management are not equally responsible for the device?s success. Labor is merely fulfilling a contract. But Obama?s rhetoric states just the opposite. If you were to read only this paragraph, you would have to conclude that there is no difference between the grunt on the assembly line and Steve Jobs himself. You would also have to conclude that success is based entirely on luck as the person who succeeds is no harder working, no smarter, and no more innovative than the one who fails.
The third paragraph is a straw man, and a typical bait and switch. Nobody, nobody, not one single person I know of is advocating that we eliminate the fire department. Furthermore, fire departments have a long history of public sector and private sector cooperation. In an article contrasting private fire services with Obama?s healthcare vision, the Heritage Foundation provided an excellent example of how private fire services can greatly reduce the cost of fire protection in a municipality. In short, we get better results, not when government tries to provide the service itself, but when individuals pay a specialized, private-sector provider to supply the service.
At last, we get to the crux of the argument. The liberal defense of Obama hinges on the ?that? referring, not to the business, but rather to the ?roads and bridges? in the previous sentence. This is nonsense, and here are three reasons why: First, ?If you?ve got a business, you didn?t build that.? is a clear conditional statement which is logically consistent with the followup, ?Somebody else made that happen.?
Second, if we assume ?that? refers to ?roads and bridges? we arrive at a conclusion that is demonstrably false. Publicly financed roads are ultimately built by the taxpayers. The taxpayers include business owners, and in many cases business pay a significant portion of the tax burden. As such, business owners demonstrably do pay to build the ?roads and bridges.? Or, for the more comically direct route, you could simply note that for some businesses, building ?roads and bridges? is their only business.
Finally, even if you don?t buy the two preceding arguments, ?that? still couldn?t refer to ?roads and bridges.? ?That? is a singular pronoun and ?roads and bridges? is a set of plural nouns. Everyone who has taken elementary English should know pronouns and their antecedents must be in agreement. Surely the greatest orator of our generation knows this. If Obama had been referring to ?roads and bridges,? he would have used the plural, ?those.?
From What Context?
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My first thought was "But what's the context?" 
So I Googled.
The blog by Erik Soderstrom obliterates any opposition by way of context.
So I Googled.
The blog by Erik Soderstrom obliterates any opposition by way of context.
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wut?
it's difficult for businesses to thrive or even survive when they have the massive boot of the government crushing their throats (via taxes, regulations, etc)..
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I just wanted to cause a shit storm but....
Most Americans: "Think about this statement. He is saying that the secret of our success is because we were all born into a country with an excellent infrastructure and with wonderful government programs to assist us. It has nothing to do with the courage of an individual staking everything on an idea and pursuing it to success. It has nothing to do with great companies hiring hundreds of thousands of people who, without the idea and courage of an individual, wouldn?t be employed. When the president refers to ?cooperation?, he isn?t talking about the mechanism of the free market that efficiently and effectively coordinates voluntary human action toward mutual goals. He thinks like the community organizer that he is: if we just all sit down together and work on an idea, great things will happen. The committee theory of social organization has most likely never in history started a great and successful business.Either way America is not what it was a decade ago I really don't care for obama anyway. I did my time in the military and saw things and have my beliefs.
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Off topics a little but Yes there are terroist but I think there was a lot covered up. I really think if there were They would have shit on the white house by now (literately). Guess how many wmd's we found in Iraq ? Another thing if you don't think the media is influenced big time by our government then your stupid. The government does and they will produce images and videos on what they want us to see and believe.
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My father came to the US with $2000 and some clothes. Took out loans, worked, saved, took risks and invested. Made all of his money the honest way. He now owns 4 businesses and some real estate. He pays more in taxes than he brings home and never got any handouts. Always talks about how America is the greatest country in the world, even though he's spent less than half of his life here. My father's an honest patriot, Obama's a dishonest chump. Obama owes my dad an apology.
