High e2 or low

[OneMoreStep]

Hello, I have recently added in a few compounds to mass up a bit during the winter.



My test is 450 (has been for a while since I cruise. But I cruise on 300)

I just added deca 375mg wk (I've been on it for 3 weeks now, this upcoming week is 4)

And I'm using 50mg Anadrol a day just until the Deca kicks (2-3 more weeks)

Been using 12.5mg aromasin for a few weeks now, recently bumped to 25 for the past 2 days thinking this is high e2



Libido was great and even spiked a little more once I added a50. But recently it has taken a dive, not worried just unusual. My appetite has even taken a dive. I just had bloodwork a month ago.

 

[SoCalSwole]

What is your history with training and gear use? Age?

Seems to me the deca is kicking in and giving you issues. As a rule of thumb I always have my test at double the dose of deca or NPP. 12.5mg of aromasin should be fine but you did not mention if it was a daily dose or EOD or..?? Only way to truly know is to get blood work. But for me the deca to test ratio is off. I am sure others will chime in here as well.

You won't get too many responses without giving your stats.

 

[OneMoreStep]

5'10 210

Plenty of cycle history.

Test to any other AAS ratio is a myth because deca nor any other AAS can suppress exogenous testosterone. Even if decas prolactin theory were true, prolactin can only exist in the presence of estrogen anyways, eliminating some estrogen will lower prolactin as well. Plus prolactin inhibitors are not something people should mess with anyways.

Since I usually only run test ever and nothing else im guessing maybe my e2 is too high from adding new compounds in. Just wondering some other views on high e2 symptoms.

 

[Carverelli]

Any water retention lately? Unusual weight gain? Blood pressure issues? All symptoms of high e2


bloodwork can take all the guesses out of it though

I'd guess low e2 if I had to choose

 

[OneMoreStep]

I dropped my aromasin 3 days ago and things are improving. Aromasin is hard to dial in, I have bottles of Adex I think I might do .5mg 3x a week to start.

 

[Glycomann]

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5'10 210

Plenty of cycle history.

Test to any other AAS ratio is a myth because deca nor any other AAS can suppress exogenous testosterone. Even if decas prolactin theory were true, prolactin can only exist in the presence of estrogen anyways, eliminating some estrogen will lower prolactin as well. Plus prolactin inhibitors are not something people should mess with anyways.

Since I usually only run test ever and nothing else im guessing maybe my e2 is too high from adding new compounds in. Just wondering some other views on high e2 symptoms.

Nandrolones are spooky as far as libido. The hypothalamus has an area called the arcuate nucleus. It dumps dopamine into the hypophysial portal. After orgasm prolactin is released from the pituitary and dopamine is involved in regulating this release. Progesterone plays a part in this. Dopamine inhibits prolactin release whilst progesterone increases it's release. Prolactin signaling in this region is responsible for the refractory period between orgasms. Nandrolones bind the progesterone receptor so therein lies the rub. Look into the anatomy and neurology. You might come to the same conclusion. Men suffering from "deca dick" have the sensation that they just had a recent orgasm and therefore can not climax. Eventually erection is not possible.This fits what is known about nandrolone activity at the PR and the anatomy of the brain as well as the anatomy of orgasm and refrationary cycling.

 

[OneMoreStep]

Nandrolones are spooky as far as libido. The hypothalamus has an area called the arcuate nucleus. It dumps dopamine into the hypophysial portal. After orgasm prolactin is released from the pituitary and dopamine is involved in regulating this release. Progesterone plays a part in this. Dopamine inhibits prolactin release whilst progesterone increases it's release. Prolactin signaling in this region is responsible for the refractory period between orgasms. Nandrolones bind the progesterone receptor so therein lies the rub. Look into the anatomy and neurology. You might come to the same conclusion. Men suffering from "deca dick" have the sensation that they just had a recent orgasm and therefore can not climax. Eventually erection is not possible.This fits what is known about nandrolone activity at the PR and the anatomy of the brain as well as the anatomy of orgasm and refrationary cycling.

This is where I get confused, people say to watch out for "leaky nips" and "trouble orgasming" my first cycle was test only 750mg a week no AI and my nipples were leaky. Deca is also known to aromatize I believe that people with "deca Dick" either don't run test and crash their natural levels or they don't run an AI and let their estrogen get so high which in turn raises prolactin causing "deca Dick".

These are the average typical cycles I see on forums with people having "deca Dick" issues 600mg test
600mg deca

^^ So with that information I say e2 is too high and some people think they're using the right A.I dose while they may need more!

Obviously the deca Dick culprit is high estrogen because I've had an extremely low libido on just test alone due to my e2 being extremely high, same feeling of not being able to orgasm, my estrogen was way to high, as soon as I dropped my e2 everything came back to normal.

It has been shown that Test alone stimulates the PR exactly as much as deca or tren will, causing double stimulation of used together. However if we use an AI, estrogen levels shouldn't get to high to where the PR is over stimulated.

This is my 5th week into deca, ^^ but that's just what I've gathered.

 

[Glycomann]

This is where I get confused, people say to watch out for "leaky nips" and "trouble orgasming" my first cycle was test only 750mg a week no AI and my nipples were leaky. Deca is also known to aromatize I believe that people with "deca Dick" either don't run test and crash their natural levels or they don't run an AI and let their estrogen get so high which in turn raises prolactin causing "deca Dick".

These are the average typical cycles I see on forums with people having "deca Dick" issues 600mg test
600mg deca

^^ So with that information I say e2 is too high and some people think they're using the right A.I dose while they may need more!

Obviously the deca Dick culprit is high estrogen because I've had an extremely low libido on just test alone due to my e2 being extremely high, same feeling of not being able to orgasm, my estrogen was way to high, as soon as I dropped my e2 everything came back to normal.

It has been shown that Test alone stimulates the PR exactly as much as deca or tren will, causing double stimulation of used together. However if we use an AI, estrogen levels shouldn't get to high to where the PR is over stimulated.

This is my 5th week into deca, ^^ but that's just what I've gathered.

I can't prove what I allude to but it makes sense from what I've seen over 25 years and what I know as I have a Msc. in Biomedicine and a Ph. D. in biochemistry. Try Dostinex 0.5 mg twice a week. If it helps it helps. It often does and that it helps fits with my explanation. It won't work forever but likely will work for a while. The only way to completely correct the problem is to go off and stay off and let the endocrine system re-balance itself, which could take several months to over a year.. that is if you have not permanently suppressed your system.

In the end nobody knows precisely what is going on when we use these drugs as they are used in BBing circles because studies to directly address the pertinent questions do not exist or are rare because it is not ethical to do such studies. No review board would approve so no studies are performed. So we are left with experience and extrapolation from imperfect studies. Good luck with your problem.

 

[OneMoreStep]

I am going to school for pharmacist, 4 years in here! Nice to meet someone with a biochem degree!!! Could have used your help a few years ago lol. Anyways I have used Cabergoline with success in sex drive increase, as many AAS that i have ran, I have never run deca. I've tolerated TREN at high doses with a super charged sex drive no issues. If it does become a problem I will incorporate the dostinex, I just believe too much e2 is the cause of a lot of problems.

 

[Glycomann]

Where are you in Italy? I was in Rome for three months last year.