High Fat Diet

[LrdViperScrpion]

Can anyone help with a high fat diet? I was thinking that something along the lines of 20% carbs, 30% fat, and 50% protein of my total daily calories would be good, but I want to get some advice to make sure that I don't end up just getting fat and my body not feeding off the fat, and instead start eating protein. I'm also not exactly sure how many calories to eat. I'm 17, 5'6", 135 pounds, pretty muscular, though there is I'd say a couple pounds of fat I'd like to lose before really trying to bulk up. So, um, any advice would be welcome.

 

[w8lifter]

High fat, high protein, low carb diet

Read this thread first, then if you have any questions, we can go through them here

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Thanks a lot w8. However, there's a slight problem that I realize sort of complicates things but......... I sort of am trying not to eat animal products and I have been eating legumes and veggie burgers, etc. in order to receive adequate amounts of protein, but I am not quite sure how to work in 15 grams of fat with each meal. I have flax oil with my protein supplements, but other than the dressing I put on my salad I don't know how else to add fat to my diet. Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[SteveDeBeave]

Originally posted by LrdViperScrpion
However, there's a slight problem that I realize sort of complicates things but......... I sort of am trying not to eat animal products and I have been eating legumes and veggie burgers, etc. in order to receive adequate amounts of protein,

Your screwed! Go get some whipping cream, add it to your protein shake and just pretend it's from a plant with udders.

 

[w8lifter]

Well, you don't leave many options then. I guess it's flax and whey protein for your meals. When your not having whey, you can get some fat from p/b or down a tbsp of flax straight, it's not that bad really Make your own dressing for your salad....2 tsp flax, 1 tsp olive oil, 1/2 tsp cider vinegar for each meal.

 

[Chalcedony]

if you say your trying to avoid animal products, then you might want to know that whey protein is derived from milk, which is an animal product!

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

I have been making my own dressing of 2tsp of canola oil and red wine vinegar mixed together, but yours probably has more fat in it. Thanks.

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Yeah, i know, I haven't been using whey protein but soy protein instead.

 

[w8lifter]

LOL...yeah, duh...soy protein....can ya tell I'm not a veggie

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Originally posted by w8lifter
LOL...yeah, duh...soy protein....can ya tell I'm not a veggie

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Hey w8, how's this for a diet along the lines of the high fat/ low carb post you made, only with vegetarian, almost vegan (except for whey protein) substitutions???

meal 1:
oatmeal w/ 3/4 cup bluebuerries
4 veggie sausage links
2 tsp flax oil

meal 2:
salad w/ tomato & 1/2 cup soybeans
1 apple
carrots

pre-workout meal 3:
4 strawberries
2 tbsp soy, 1 tbsp whey protein
1 tbsp flax

post-workout meal 4:
same as 3

meal 5:
salad w/ 1/2 cup soybeans and tomato or something similar in nutrition

meal 6:
Need advice on this one, what do you think w8???
another protein shake as in meal 3 & 4,
or
8 slices veggie turkey meat
1 tbsp flax oil

if you need any explanations as to my meal choices or any criticism, please feel free to post. Thanks.

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Sorry, didn't mean to be rude. I invite anyone, not only w8 to feel free to post advice, criticism, etc.

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Also, anyone knowledgeable on the subject, I was wondering if there is anyway to tell whether your body has actually begun to use fat rather than carbs, how long it takes, and perhaps how long I should continue this diet? Thanks.

 

[w8lifter]

Can anyone help with a high fat diet? I was thinking that something along the lines of 20% carbs, 30% fat, and 50% protein of my total daily calories would be good

Well, it doesn't seem to me that you've reached this goal, have you worked it out at all or are you just guessing...I don't know the protein counts on your meal choices, so I can't say for sure, but that's still a lot of carbs in there, I'm betting it's more than 20%.

I could be way off though, it would be easier if you could tell us the protein/carb/fat counts for the veggies 'meats' and the soybeans.

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Actually, I tried to form a diet that was closer to the one in your high fat/ low carbs post. The protein as far as I have figured works out to approx. 30-40 grams per meal. The veggie sausage links have 3g carbs and 2g fiber, and the veggie turkey slices are 4g carbs, 2g fiber. Soybeans have 33g carbs, 24g fiber, 15g fat, and 27 g protein per the new 2 cup serving that I just updated. from what i have worked out i believe active carbs are just about exactly 80g a day, and per your advice i currently have no a carb-load. I would reduce carbs, but i don't know where else to cut. Anyways, any advice is welcome.

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

The diet does have carbs since it is does not have anything that is just meat, but the majority of carbs are fiber.

 

[w8lifter]

Yes, lots of fibre....the protein sources you've chosen sound good! I would say a whey protein shake w/ flax in your last meal for the higher quality protein. Also, meal 1 might have too many carbs from the amt of blueberries, but I'd be interested to hear what FC & CD have to say first.

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Yeah, the blueberries I weren't quite sure about. I currently eat blueberries with my oatmeal, which tastes sooooooooooo good, so i was trying to keep them in. The nutrition info on the carton says 12g carbs and 6g fiber in 1 cup, which would mean 3/4 cups is 9 g carbs, 4.5 fiber. However, online it says that blueberries are 27 g carbs and 3 g fiber per cup. I assume it would be wiser to trust the carton I have, but that part has made me a little uneasy, as that is a HUGE difference.

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Drat, I just went through it again and apparently it's over 80 g in carbs if i have 3 protein shakes. Any ideas?

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Perhaps cutting out the apple for lunch? or replacing it with strawberries?

 

[cytrix]

does this diet get you into ketosis, if keeping it at 30g carbs per day? is it kinda like a ckd?

 

[w8lifter]

Originally posted by LrdViperScrpion
Drat, I just went through it again and apparently it's over 80 g in carbs if i have 3 protein shakes. Any ideas?

How much over 80 is it? Definitely cut the blueberries to 1/4 cup, but that won't cut much carb wise. Oats are 1/2 cup? Are you counting the carbs from your veggies? You could drop the carrots too.

 

[w8lifter]

Originally posted by cytrix
does this diet get you into ketosis, if keeping it at 30g carbs per day? is it kinda like a ckd?

No, ketosis isn't the goal here, becoming a fat burner is. If your carbs are under 30 g you should have a carb up twice a week or every 4 days.

 

[Fitgirl70]

Hey LVS -- I have a couple of questions if you don't mind?
#1 -- Male or Female
#2 -- where in TX are you
#3 -- what are you stats
#4 -- being veggie, what does your bf look like
#5 -- how are you making those veggie sausage links

Just curious
Welcome aboard anyway.
Fitgirl70

 

[Robboe]

"I was wondering if there is anyway to tell whether your body has actually begun to use fat rather than carbs"

You will feel more energetic and less crappy in the morning.


Do you eat tofu?

You need more protein from wholefoods imo. Nuts are a good choice.

Are eggs out of the question?

I think also you'd be better off dropping the soybeans. They seem a little too dense in active carbs if you're trying to become a fat-burner. Same for the oats really. The only carbs you should be taking in to become a true fat-burner are any active carbs that come as a by product of your protein sources and your veg and fruit. I can;t remember but i think carrots aren;t optimal choices either.

Your amount of fruit seems moderate so it's good. Salad stuff is good, but you could always add in some cauliflower or broccoli if you still get hungry.

If you do become a fat-burner you definately need to carb up every 3-4 days. On NHE you do it over the last two meals before bed to minimise lethargy and to combat any carb cravings you may get after. If these are a problem for you when sticking to diet then maybe you should consider this for your diet.

the few days it takes to become a fat bunrer aren;t the most pleasant ether, but once you've made the transition you'll feel twice as good as you do being a sugar burner.

 

[Robboe]

by the way, how many cals is that diet?

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Originally posted by w8lifter


How much over 80 is it? Definitely cut the blueberries to 1/4 cup, but that won't cut much carb wise. Oats are 1/2 cup? Are you counting the carbs from your veggies? You could drop the carrots too.

I've cut the carbs to about 70-80g. I am gonna cut the blueberries down just to be safe. Oats are about 2 tbsp which allows for a good amount of protein and fiber with fewer carbs. I have been counting the carbs from the carrots and have cut back on them, however, per your post, I have not been counting the carbs from lettuce, broccoli, etc. I also did cut out the apple.

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

Originally posted by Fitgirl70
Hey LVS -- I have a couple of questions if you don't mind?
#1 -- Male or Female
#2 -- where in TX are you
#3 -- what are you stats
#4 -- being veggie, what does your bf look like
#5 -- how are you making those veggie sausage links

Just curious
Welcome aboard anyway.
Fitgirl70

1. Male
2. Austin, TX
3. stats? 5'6", 137 pounds?
4. i have no idea what my bf is unfortunately
5. I buy the veggie sausage links and turkey slices from Yves that are delicious.

 

[w8lifter]

2 tbsp of oats? That's funny, lol. I was expecting 1/2 cup I would the carrots altogether, they turn to sugar too fast, especially when cooked.

 

[LrdViperScrpion]

In response to TCD:

Yeah, the first day i felt like shite, and the last couple of mornings too.

I do eat tofu, as well as other meat replacement stuff such as veggie turkey slices and veggie sausages, i also ate something last night in stir fry but can't remember what it was called. All of them are surprisingly high in protein and very low in carbs, plus they have fiber.

Eggs are not out of the question, I am just unsure about whether or not they do the same as meat and create carcinogens when cooked.

I have two cups of soybeans, which according to the nutrition information contains 33g carbs, but 24 grams fiber, according to w8's post that's 9g carbs. I'm also not having soybeans for dinner and instead am having meat replacements which have almost no carbs and plenty of protein.

Half of my protein comes from whole foods and half comes from shakes. I have no idea if that's enough or not, was just trying to follow w8's post.

According to w8's post, if you consume 60-80g carbs you do not require a carb up.

Not trying to be rude, TCD, I'm just following the diet as closely as w8 posted it. Please, TCD or w8 correct me if I have anything wrong.