homebrew powder

[brundel]

Hurt like a bitch.
Felt strong through.
Currently running 400mg cyp eod.
Win at 100mg ed for 4 weeks
300mg caffeine + 30mg methylhexanamine before training.
No AI or SERM needed yet.

 

[keith1569]

Nice man. I love test ha.
What do you make your test cyp at with BA and bb? I do 2.5%ba 20%bb. Do you think less bb could be used since I made it at 200mg/ml vs 250mg/ml

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[brundel]

Gonna get some bloodwork done in a week or so. If the 100mg is wrecking me Im gonna drop it or lower it to 50mg

Im convinced I can gain muscle using winstrol.

 

[pieguy]

30mg methylhexanamine before training

What's that Brundel? ^^^^

Vasodialator?

 

[brundel]

Nah its DMAA
same shit in all the PWO drinks these days. I just get the powder DMAA and caffeine and mix em with some creatine in waxy maize before training.
Who needs fancy PWO drinks.
200g caffeine is like 5$ 5g Methylhexanamine is only like 7$

 

[probuilder]

did you use polysorbate 80 in youre recipe??????????? Its kinda awkward that the water just sits up top in that vial.... Ive never had one do that....

Yes, I used PS80 in the receipe. Other winnys I saw before did the same, powder seperated from water, and before the shot those had to be shaked.

thats what i thought.. that vial is not holding right... At least it looks like it. small layer of water on top......

You mean under the vial is not holding that the rubber stopper lets air in or you mean the brew is not holding ?

I might be missing somthing. Is there a clear layer of water i'm not seeing? When i do winni it shrinks a little in surface area, but that's because it's so hot when i first shake it. It has a screaming hot melting point so it expands but obviously when it cools, it contracts. Are you saying you should have gotten more out of a gram or something...are both pictures the same bottle?? I wasn't realizing that...

Yes, these pics are about the same vial, on the second I let it to sit for 2,5 days.

 

[tyzero89]

I think Home brew needs to have its own section of the forum....just sayin

Anyone else agree??

 

[Aaron S.]

A.

Test cyp will hold at 250mg/ml with 2%BA and 20% BB

Is 20% BB necessary??

 

[brundel]

You could likely go lower but I keep mine at 20%.
Watson and Paddock (both human grade American FDA approved meds) use 20%.
Even with 20% BB the paddock pharms stuff says right on the bottle:
Warming and shaking will redissolve any crystals formed during storage at temps lower than recommended. 68-77 degrees F

 

[Aaron S.]

You could likely go lower but I keep mine at 20%.
Watson and Paddock (both human grade American FDA approved meds) use 20%.
Even with 20% BB the paddock pharms stuff says right on the bottle:
Warming and shaking will redissolve any crystals formed during storage at temps lower than recommended. 68-77 degrees F

then 20% it is.

 

[probuilder]

I brewed again today some winy, and the colour of the winy-peg-ps has been darker than before, and the colour of the final suspension has been white, but a little brownish. Can I shot it ? ( I don't really like it... )
I exceeded the 228-242 Celsius melting point, it was at around 245 Celsius. Do I have to be very careful with the melting point not to go over ?

For melting point at the winy I found this :
melting point prisms = 228-242C (235C)
melting point needles = 155C

It means that first at around 155 degree the needles melt and after the prisms at around 235 degree ?

I would expect melting at around 235 Celsius, but it melted completely before this point. How it can be ??

Or just the powder starts to dissolve at 155C to the peg-ps80, and here all the visible substances will be melted, and reaching the 235C all the unvisible substances will be melted fully ?

I am a rookie, so sorry for the basic questions, but I don't want to waste any more powder...or at least the least as possible.
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[Aaron S.]

I brewed again today some winy, and the colour of the winy-peg-ps has been darker than before, and the colour of the final suspension has been white, but a little brownish. Can I shot it ? ( I don't really like it... )
I exceeded the 228-242 Celsius melting point, it was at around 245 Celsius. Do I have to be very careful with the melting point not to go over ?

For melting point at the winy I found this :
melting point prisms = 228-242C (235C)
melting point needles = 155C

It means that first at around 155 degree the needles melt and after the prisms at around 235 degree ?

I would expect melting at around 235 Celsius, but it melted completely before this point. How it can be ??

Or just the powder starts to dissolve at 155C to the peg-ps80, and here all the visible substances will be melted, and reaching the 235C all the unvisible substances will be melted fully ?

I am a rookie, so sorry for the basic questions, but I don't want to waste any more powder...or at least the least as possible.
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I have burnt winny before. If it's brownish it might be burnt and i wouldn't use it. How big of a batch??

 

[probuilder]

There has been 20 mls brownish now, and some before. Not a big deal...
For learning to brew I pay with this.

Reading a lot on these forums I found many opinions that winy is one of the most difficult steroid to make injectable. I hope ( and think ) if I learn it, after this the oil based ones will be much easier.

 

[brundel]

Win is super easy to fuck up.
Oil based test in contrast is like making a cup of coffee.

 

[Aaron S.]

A.

Win is super easy to fuck up.
Oil based test in contrast is like making a cup of coffee.

yea, test (especially decanoate and enanthate), requires little more than an antimicrobial preservative, some heat, and a sterile bottle. After harvesting crystals for so long to make finapro just being able to buy the raw seems like a blessing. I guess when you think about it winstrol takes the most effort, although, i use the exact same formula to make water based TNE. The only reason i would inject winni (these daz) if for site enhancing purposes. If its no safer to use injections why not just take it oraly. (my partner totally disagrees and injects EVERYTHING)

 

[Aaron S.]

The sticky points, for me, with Win, are:

1) letting it get too cool before i filter and consequently loosing it to the filter.

A) Not doing the PEG purge fast enough and loosing raw to the filter.


2) Burning, this one can be avoided by watching your brew and swirling it while you heat, if you take it off heat before the last few granuals have disappeared you should be straight, remember that it will continue melting a few second after you take it off heat and this should melt the last of it.

 

[Aaron S.]

I'm missing the boat on something...O.K. My way of looking at esters goes something like this...

An ester is added to a test molecule to make it more soluble in Oil/Fat. The shorter the ester the more help is needed assisting the molecule to suspend in oil. This assistance comes by way of solvent. Now why is it that some esters support my thinking (decanoate) and others do not (cypionate)?? Enanthate and Decanoate need NO assistance suspending with just a little bit of heat but cypionate (longer ester than enanthate) needs solvent to keep it from crashing in cooler temperatures.

 

[brundel]

yea, test (especially decanoate and enanthate), requires little more than an antimicrobial preservative, some heat, and a sterile bottle. After harvesting crystals for so long to make finapro just being able to buy the raw seems like a blessing. I guess when you think about it winstrol takes the most effort, although, i use the exact same formula to make water based TNE. The only reason i would inject winni (these daz) if for site enhancing purposes. If its no safer to use injections why not just take it oraly. (my partner totally disagrees and injects EVERYTHING)

Yah just eat the win......so much work to make it an inject.
It will still cause liver damage.
It will still fuck up your lipids.
it will hurt like a fuking bitch...I can barely flex my arm today from a win inject on mon. Its brutal.
Im gonna start drinking this shit.

 

[Noheawaiian]

Yah just eat the win......so much work to make it an inject.
It will still cause liver damage.
It will still fuck up your lipids.
it will hurt like a fuking bitch...I can barely flex my arm today from a win inject on mon. Its brutal.
Im gonna start drinking this shit.

Winny looks like milk, smells like almonds, and tastes like shit.

 

[brundel]

Yah it can be made into a liquid oral as well.
Still tastes like shit though.

 

[tyzero89]

what capsule machine do you guys recommend??? I was looking at the one on RLS but i also was looking at the Cap-M-Quick. Any thoughts??

 

[tyzero89]

also with the Millipore setup....is there a way to cap the bottom once you have taken the top piece off? also is the bottom part reusable to where i would only have to buy a complete setup once and from that point on i would just have to buy the top filters?? Or is there a way to rig up the top filter to drain into a receiver bottle that you can cap with a septa top?? Sorry if this has been asked before...

 

[Aaron S.]

I use cap-m-quick size #1.

 

[tyzero89]

Ya thats the one i was leaning towards....i was thinking #0 though.

 

[Aaron S.]

A.

Ya thats the one i was leaning towards....i was thinking #0 though.

the bigger it is the more raw material you have to use. I wouldn't want to mess with anything smalller than a one though, seems like it would be hard to work with anything smaller than that.

 

[tyzero89]

the bigger it is the more raw material you have to use. I wouldn't want to mess with anything smalller than a one though, seems like it would be hard to work with anything smaller than that.

Do you use any filler too or do you just use the raw material with no filler?

 

[probuilder]

The sticky points, for me, with Win, are:

1) letting it get too cool before i filter and consequently loosing it to the filter.

A) Not doing the PEG purge fast enough and loosing raw to the filter.


2) Burning, this one can be avoided by watching your brew and swirling it while you heat, if you take it off heat before the last few granuals have disappeared you should be straight, remember that it will continue melting a few second after you take it off heat and this should melt the last of it.

From the 240 Celsius melting point to how much degree you let about the winy to cool ?

 

[yerg]

Do you use any filler too or do you just use the raw material with no filler?

Yes use filler... With cap-m-quick with the #0 size caps(the capper does 24 at a time) you can use the amount of compound(24 X ?mg) is the amount of compound and you can use protien as filler and make the total amount weight about 7g total.... that will spread nicely over the 24 caps. use the cap packer to push in the powder(protein and compound) scrap the rest in the caps with the card that comes with the capping machine....... and press the caps together.. done

 

[tyzero89]

Do any of you guys crimp the tops on your vials?? What steps need to be done to keep everything sterile during the filling and crimping process?

 

[tyzero89]

Yes use filler... With cap-m-quick with the #0 size caps(the capper does 24 at a time) you can use the amount of compound(24 X ?mg) is the amount of compound and you can use protien as filler and make the total amount weight about 7g total.... that will spread nicely over the 24 caps. use the cap packer to push in the powder(protein and compound) scrap the rest in the caps with the card that comes with the capping machine....... and press the caps together.. done

Thanks. My main concern is making sure the compound is mixed evenly with the filler. I don't know why but i keep imagining the capping process to be very messy but im hoping that its much easier than i am imagining.