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OOOhh, I see.

Go back up to the post where I posted the pic of the hand pump and filter.
The pump tube attaches to the side of the filter.
When you pump, its actually pumping air out.
This causes a vacuum to be created within the receiver flask.
The oily solution in the pre filtration container located on top is then pulled through the filter into the receiver.
So you have a pump and gravity to get the solution from the top basin to the sterile recieving container. Not as complicated as i thought it was going to be. You know how most of us muscle heads are. We can finish our masters but couldn't bleed a set of brakes to save our lives (i'm speaking for myself and those like me...lol)
 
yea, i think i better as well. I just did like 400 with syringe filter.....not fun, especially when i'm only getting 20-40ml/filter. Side note: i can post a picture but i still don't know how to add a profile pic...

Top left^^^^^of this page there is a link--User CP-
Click that.
Then on the left of the page it takes you to is Edit Avatar.
 
So you have a pump and gravity to get the solution from the top basin to the sterile recieving container. Not as complicated as i thought it was going to be. You know how most of us muscle heads are. We can finish our masters but couldn't bleed a set of brakes to save our lives (i'm speaking for myself and those like me...lol)

In reality it shows intelligence to ask questions and intend to fully understand the process before undertaking it yourself. At the end of the day, proper filtration is not just a fancy step we take. Its there to ensure we dont get an infection and as such is of vital importance.
This process, is FAR better than the syringe filter because you just dont have to go through so many filters and switching around of needles and on and on.
 
It just looks like the pump is pumping into the glass...where is the oil before and where is it going? Is it coming out of the big glass or going in
Think of it like this - 2 containers stacked one on top of the other with a filter between them. At the very top of the bottom container is a hose adapter that will suck the air out of the bottom container creating a vaccum and sucking the contents of the top container through the filter. You can't see it very well but in brundel's pic you will notice green grapeseed oil in the top container. That's where you put the stuff you want to suck through the filter. He even says you can get steril caps and save the shit you filter by capping it ! Super straight way to get our thing done. Gotta beat coffee filters ! LOL J.K...
 
Yea Im already looking in to it lol. I didnt know about the caps though for the sterifilters...but you are right its the way to go! by the way..my friend is getting more then 20 to 40ml through the whatman filter. Just thought id let you know.
 
Yea Im already looking in to it lol. I didnt know about the caps though for the sterifilters...but you are right its the way to go! by the way..my friend is getting more then 20 to 40ml through the whatman filter. Just thought id let you know.
so everythings good?
 
Need some input people

Yea Im already looking in to it lol. I didnt know about the caps though for the sterifilters...but you are right its the way to go! by the way..my friend is getting more then 20 to 40ml through the whatman filter. Just thought id let you know.

Hey i have a serious multi-faceted(sp) question for those with a little experience. It's time for me to grab some things and i have to make a choice between D-bol and winni. I can't afford both. I love the way dbol makes me feel and of course the way it makes me look. I have little experience with win. I would say i'm an average gainer and don't have to worry about gaining too much body fat so i never realy bothered with any of the more androgenic of the compounds we use, (except tren) and win is no exception. Price will be the same, regardless of which one i decide. Oh (sorry for rambling) if i make the win injectable instead of oral will it make a difference in toxicity.
 
what's the reputation thing all about ? You earn it right ?
 
Your right

In reality it shows intelligence to ask questions and intend to fully understand the process before undertaking it yourself. At the end of the day, proper filtration is not just a fancy step we take. Its there to ensure we dont get an infection and as such is of vital importance.
This process, is FAR better than the syringe filter because you just dont have to go through so many filters and switching around of needles and on and on.
Your so right. It's a superior method for the volume i process. It's rediculous for me to still be using a syringe filter when there is such a better way to get the job done. Not to mention that you can cap what you have filtered. It's safer, easier, and much much cheaper when you look at using a 1000ml stericup and capping it vs syringe filtering into 10 bottles.
 
cutright

so everythings good?
So it must be the filters i'm using or something. I got 100 of them so i may have just got a bad batch....oh well it doesn't matter any more anyway cause i'm not using syringe filters anymore.
 
So it must be the filters i'm using or something. I got 100 of them so i may have just got a bad batch....oh well it doesn't matter any more anyway cause i'm not using syringe filters anymore.

Yea the syringe filter don't seem bad for little brews but that set up is bad ass man my friend also ordered one if those with vac pump brundel posted a link to.
 
Your Him ??

true but if it's too hot, you'll melt the membrane

So are you the basskiller with the kickass website ?? I learned sooo much about things from your site. It's crazy to see you on this forum. It kind of personalizes things a bit. Makes you more human...LOL. Your reputation preceeds you mr. B.
 
Hey i have a serious multi-faceted(sp) question for those with a little experience. It's time for me to grab some things and i have to make a choice between D-bol and winni. I can't afford both. I love the way dbol makes me feel and of course the way it makes me look. I have little experience with win. I would say i'm an average gainer and don't have to worry about gaining too much body fat so i never realy bothered with any of the more androgenic of the compounds we use, (except tren) and win is no exception. Price will be the same, regardless of which one i decide. Oh (sorry for rambling) if i make the win injectable instead of oral will it make a difference in toxicity.

It should not really make a difference no.
With injection youll use a slightly lower dose most likely so it may ac'tually reduce toxicity to some degree.
 
im gonna run the injectable winny in my next cycle...everyone says dose it the same as the oral. 50 daily or 50 eod is what I got as a response 99% of the time. Im going 50 daily
 
I used injectable winny once........once.
The shit hurt.
ALOT.
I had 6 vials left and I just cracked the tops off and drank it.
Worked very well.

I've also heard this... If it gets too bad I might try the same lol. How bad was the pain? Injection or after
 
How does one store Test E powder....and does it change once you open it? As far as storing it goes

As cool as possible. Sealed.

Zip lock bag. I would double bag it ...
Keep it in a cool place free from moisture...so not the freezer.
Its fine after you open it just take out what you need and reseal.

Incorrect. You can store it in the freezer if you want, just as long as it's is tightly closed not to allow in moisture.

Cottonseed oil:
Cottonseed oil is a waste product of the cotton industry, so it costs the food manufacturers next to nothing to procure a plentiful supply. The only problem with this is that cotton is not a food crop, therefore is not subject to the same restrictions as to pesticide and fungicide levels. In fact, cotton is one of the most heavily sprayed crops in the world. There are quite often toxic levels of pesticides and fungicides left over and Im not willing to bet the filtering gets it out. It is light in color and fairly thin. This oil is commonly used in pharmaceutical grade gear again due to its price and availability.

I've pinned solely cottonseed my entire steroid life and have never had a single issue with it. So speculation is wildly rampant in this post.

I used injectable winny once........once.
The shit hurt.
ALOT.
I had 6 vials left and I just cracked the tops off and drank it.
Worked very well.

Pinning winny does suck, however, it didn't work worth a shit.

I've also heard this... If it gets too bad I might try the same lol. How bad was the pain? Injection or after

For me, it was kinda painful up front but mellowed out by afternoon/night (I always pin in the mornings).
 
Spend some time researching before you claim speculation.
Just because you dont notice anything doesnt mean nothing is happening.
most People dont notice BPA poisoning either, does than mean nothing is happening?

Do you feel liver damage happening when you take orals? If not does that mean its fictional or a figment of my imagination?
My words are based upon facts.
Please.....tell me which portion of my previous post is...speculation.
 
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I've also heard this... If it gets too bad I might try the same lol. How bad was the pain? Injection or after

10/10
similar to test suspension.
Pain set in after for the most part.
Lots of swelling as well.

Water based suspensions are notorious for being loaded with bacteria as well.
You may not get a heavy infection from the bacteria present, but its possible.
Just eat the winny.
 
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Please.....tell me which portion of my previous post is...speculation.

That you don't actually have a fact or citation citing that cottonseed is unclean. Moreover, this statement is pure speculation:

There are quite often toxic levels of pesticides and fungicides left over and Im not willing to bet the filtering gets it out.

Water based suspensions are notorious for being loaded with bacteria as well.
You may not get a heavy infection from the bacteria present, but its possible.
Just eat the winny.

That's why you use BA.
And I wouldn't say it's a 10/10 pain wise; I feel its maybe a 6.
 
That you don't actually have a fact or citation citing that cottonseed is unclean. Moreover, this statement is pure speculation:

There are quite often toxic levels of pesticides and fungicides left over and Im not willing to bet the filtering gets it out.



That's why you use BA.
And I wouldn't say it's a 10/10 pain wise; I feel its maybe a 6.

Since your too lazy to spend .29 seconds to google it should I do it for you?

So....your telling me BA makes a injectable sterile? If so, everything you say after that regarding any kind of compounding can be taken as false.

If injectable win is a 6/10....whats a ten?
 
Ill even look one up for you.



"Chemicals that have been banned for food crops are still being used on cotton," says Will Allen, founder of the California-based Sustainable Cotton Project. Nearly one-quarter of all pesticides used in the United States are applied to cotton, and the overall amount and intensity per acre is increasing every year. Worldwide, more pesticides, some of them extremely toxic, are sprayed on cotton than on any other crop.

How much of them end up in your diet? Every year in the United States, half a million tons of cottonseed oil goes into processed salad dressings, baked goods, and snacks like Fritos and Goldfish. Another 3 million tons of cottonseed is fed to beef and dairy cattle, which also eat vast amounts of the cotton by-products known as "gin trash."

The industry view is that pesticide residues are removed from cottonseeds during their chemically intensive processing: the seeds are washed with caustic lye or sodium hydroxide and the oil is extracted with hexane, a highly volatile solvent, and is then filtered through sulfuric-acid-laden clay. (Foreign-produced cottonseed oil is sometimes extracted with a mixture of hexane and benzene, a known carcinogen that is very difficult to remove.) But residues from pesticides such as the defoliant DEF have frequently appeared on California Department of Food and Agriculture scans of cottonseed and other cotton by-products over the past decade. Cottonseed oil, however, is rarely tested for pesticides, according to Young Lee, staff scientist at the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition at the Food and Drug Administration. In 1997, no cottonseed oil at all was tested.


REF: Daniel Imhoff "King Cotton - pesticide residue is common in cotton byproducts used in agriculture - Brief Article". Sierra. FindArticles.com. 06 Mar, 2011. King Cotton - pesticide residue is common in cotton byproducts used in agriculture - Brief Article | Sierra | Find Articles at BNET
 
Yah Gso or even arachis is better.
Cottonseed is widely used for sure....all my pharm grade gear I get via script is cottonseed.
Cant really help how they compound their meds but for homebrewing you can choose better options.
GSO is awesome.
Arachis can cause issues for those allergic to peanuts.
 
Ok brundel I need a nice Test prop conversion...your advise so far has proved to be great!
Some say mix with EO what's ur thoughts bro
 
EO prop can be totally painless, however, EO has some inherant issues.
It can be pretty hard on filters, it can eat butyl stoppers causing rubber contamination.
Virormone (legit EO prop) was totally painless but only came in amps eliminating the butyl stopper issue. I just ran some EO cyp and it was awesome...Im still alive...and the stopper seemed intact.
The other issue is that for some EO can cause an psuedo allergic reaction.

The only way to know if it will cause a reaction for you is to try it unfortunately.
 
If I remember correctly Virormone was 50mg/ml and came in 2ml amps.
You could get the prop to hold with EO and BA only at this concentration...probably at higher concentrations as well.
 
Since your too lazy to spend .29 seconds to google it should I do it for you?

So....your telling me BA makes a injectable sterile? If so, everything you say after that regarding any kind of compounding can be taken as false.

If injectable win is a 6/10....whats a ten?

Hey brundel,

So i heat at 350 for 20 min. filter a 1-2.5% BA / 8%BB hormone solution through PVDF .45 iu syringe filter (until i get the millipore). I am doing the 3 fundamental ways to get bacteria out right ? Tell me if i need to change anything bro. I can see that you are really aware of "this thing of ours" and the way we do things.
 
I wouldnt even heat at 350. There really is no need.
My GF works at a compounding pharmacy...they compound all kinds of hormones there including but not limited to test. They dont bake anything.
If you sterile filter through a .22 your good to go.
BA keeps things sterile.

Depending on hormone:
1-2% BA ----2 is good to be safe but my pharmacy stuff has .9 which...is less than 1%.
BB% or none at all depending on hormone.

Im answering Pm's all day long so youll have to refresh my memory, Which compound are you making?
 
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