Honestly, can I really bulk w/o gaining fat?

[mike456]

yes.

 

[kenwood]

lol

 

[juggernaut]

I have something to say & I hope this comes out right: If a brick layer continues laying brick with the same amount of mortar and brick, then what will happen? Surely he will have to stop building because he has the same amount and cannot continue to do the same amount of work; If he has more, then that means he can build bigger. The same with food and bodybuilding, right?
That make sense?

 

[PWGriffin]

Mike....you are stupid and wrong. What the fuck is the root word of "maintenance"....to MAINTAIN. What the fuck do you think muscle is made of?? Hopes and dreams??? If your body is expending exactly what it takes in on a daily basis...how can it possibly be charged with the extra task of building more metabolically expensive tissue?? If it can it will burn MUSCLE for energy FIRST. As it is less "efficient" in terms of raw survival.

Where do you get this shit?? Why don't you do some more reading instead of pulling useless bullshit out of your ass in what hopes I can only imagine is confusing less intelligent newer posters for your own pitiful entertainment....



Damn and there have been moments when it seemed you had learned alot and was starting to help some of the newer lifters.

 

[SJ69]

Why is everyone arguing over maintenance calories? It's self explanatory. It means enough calories to MAINTAIN body weight, so yes, on maintenance calories you can gain muscle and loose fat theoretically, but by definition you can't add muscle at maintenance unless you have fat to loose.

 

[SJ69]

Check out the Ultimate Diet 2.0, it's all about body recomp and gaining muscle w/out fat.

 

[juggernaut]

Mike....you are stupid and wrong. What the fuck is the root word of "maintenance"....to MAINTAIN. What the fuck do you think muscle is made of?? Hopes and dreams??? If your body is expending exactly what it takes in on a daily basis...how can it possibly be charged with the extra task of building more metabolically expensive tissue?? If it can it will burn MUSCLE for energy FIRST. As it is less "efficient" in terms of raw survival.

Where do you get this shit?? Why don't you do some more reading instead of pulling useless bullshit out of your ass in what hopes I can only imagine is confusing less intelligent newer posters for your own pitiful entertainment....



Damn and there have been moments when it seemed you had learned alot and was starting to help some of the newer lifters.

uh its a debate. shut up dicknose and let him debate. All youre doing is polling up your meager little post count.

 

[Pedigree]

Guy who started the thread- Eat maintenence and get a good training program. You will gain muscle with no fat. It will be a bit slower progress, but you will keep your abs and add muscle.

This is 100% WRONG.
If you're slowly adding a little fat, it means you're in an optimal anabolic state for muscle growth. If you're adding fat too quickly, you obviously need to analyze what you're doing and adjust accordingly. Trying to gain muscle without gaining any fat will inhibit muscle gains.

 

[PWGriffin]

uh its a debate. shut up dicknose and let him debate. All youre doing is polling up your meager little post count.

And the debate was between mike and I....and I made a point in my last post...something you didn't in this one....looks like you are the troll trying to up your post count...

and dicknose?? How fucking lame...you are useless.

 

[CowPimp]

Guy who started the thread- Eat maintenence and get a good training program. You will gain muscle with no fat. It will be a bit slower progress, but you will keep your abs and add muscle.

Mike, just admit you're wrong. If you are eating at maintenance level, then that means your body has enough energy to survive and perform your regular daily activities without reducing current energy reserves (Fat stores). How do you expect your body to build muscle without extra energy to do so? The energy and materials (Amino acids from protein intake) to build muscle have to come from somewhere. If you have already used all of the energy you provided your body with just to survive, there will be nothing left for you to build muscle with.

 

[juggernaut]

And the debate was between mike and I....and I made a point in my last post...something you didn't in this one....looks like you are the troll trying to up your post count...

and dicknose?? How fucking lame...you are useless.

yo momma.

 

[juggernaut]

Mike, just admit you're wrong. If you are eating at maintenance level, then that means your body has enough energy to survive and perform your regular daily activities without reducing current energy reserves (Fat stores). How do you expect your body to build muscle without extra energy to do so? The energy and materials (Amino acids from protein intake) to build muscle have to come from somewhere. If you have already used all of the energy you provided your body with just to survive, there will be nothing left for you to build muscle with.

Exactly, this goes back to my point about the bricklayer. You need a surplus of protein/fats/carbs to build new muscle.

 

[PWGriffin]

yo momma.

Exactly, this goes back to my point about the bricklayer. You need a surplus of protein/fats/carbs to build new muscle.

so if we are in agreement then why are you all over me?? Maybe I could've been nicer about the way I put it....But I'm easily annoyed.














Do people on this forum really care about their post count??

 

[juggernaut]

I dunno. I just pick on people really well.

 

[mike456]

Mike....you are stupid and wrong. What the fuck is the root word of "maintenance"....to MAINTAIN. What the fuck do you think muscle is made of?? Hopes and dreams??? If your body is expending exactly what it takes in on a daily basis...how can it possibly be charged with the extra task of building more metabolically expensive tissue?? If it can it will burn MUSCLE for energy FIRST. As it is less "efficient" in terms of raw survival.

That is the problem some of you are tinking of the word maintenece and it has to do with diet, so that makes you automatically think maintenence means to maintain the same bodyweight, I will say it one more time eating maintenece makes you maintain your bodyfat not bodyweight. So what if I ate maintenece and lost muscle/or gained a few inches on my height, I lossed/gained bodyweight, but kept at the same bodyfat

Where do you get this shit?? Why don't you do some more reading instead of pulling useless bullshit out of your ass in what hopes I can only imagine is confusing less intelligent newer posters for your own pitiful entertainment....
I got "this shit using" my common sense.

Damn and there have been moments when it seemed you had learned alot and was starting to help some of the newer lifters.
Yea and this is another one of those moments.

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[GFR]

If you eat maintenance calories, then you won't gain weight.

BS

Very easy to grow every year eating around maintence calories....bulking is only for very very skinny people and those who love to be fat.

 

[kcoleman]

BS

Very easy to grow every year eating around maintence calories....bulking is only for very very skinny people and those who love to be fat.

Yea, you can gain weight eating around your maintenance level, but if you are truly eating exactly at maintenance, and aren't new to lifting/having a growth sput/on gear, then you won't grow.

 

[mike456]

Mike, just admit you're wrong. If you are eating at maintenance level, then that means your body has enough energy to survive and perform your regular daily activities without reducing current energy reserves (Fat stores). How do you expect your body to build muscle without extra energy to do so? The energy and materials (Amino acids from protein intake) to build muscle have to come from somewhere. If you have already used all of the energy you provided your body with just to survive, there will be nothing left for you to build muscle with.

CowPimp, just admit you're wrong. His maintenece will change when he starts lifting!!! Don't you understand what is maintenece calories. It is the calories you eat to maintain that bodyfat(not bodyweight). So if his body will be burning the protein/energy,etc. off (to build the muscle)he will still stay at the same bodyfat, but there will be added muscle. So if his body needs that protein/energy,etc. to add needed muscle that will be in his maintenece because he is burning it off!
Maintenece calories will keep ypu at your same bodyfat, not weight.

What you explained is not eating maintenece! If he ate maintenece his body will have the energy needed to make the muscle and it will be burned off. no fat will be used for energy, and no fat will be gained.

 

[GFR]

Yea, you can gain weight eating around your maintenance level, but if you are truly eating exactly at maintenance, and aren't new to lifting/having a growth sput/on gear, then you won't grow.

Not even possible to eat exactily maintance calories every day.....unless you are hooked up to some nutritional computer that I have not heard of yet.

Almost every guy I trained with who was strong or a good athlete when I was a kid had the same BF% year round and grew just fine.....the ones who "Bulked" were fat powerlifters and now 20+ years later they are still fat pigs.

 

[CowPimp]

CowPimp, just admit you're wrong. His maintenece will change when he starts lifting!!! Don't you understand what is maintenece calories. It is the calories you eat to maintain that bodyfat(not bodyweight). So if his body will be burning the protein/energy,etc. off (to build the muscle)he will still stay at the same bodyfat, but there will be added muscle. So if his body needs that protein/energy,etc. to add needed muscle that will be in his maintenece because he is burning it off!
Maintenece calories will keep ypu at your same bodyfat, not weight.

What you explained is not eating maintenece! If he ate maintenece his body will have the energy needed to make the muscle and it will be burned off. no fat will be used for energy, and no fat will be gained.

Mike, you are ridiculous. How is anyone going to gain weight without a surplus of calories? Your definition of maintenance is totally jacked. Maintenance calories does not include the calories necessary to create new muscle mass. If there are calories enough to build new muscle, then you are NOT eating at maintenance.

I don't know where you go this definition of maintenance, but it is wrong. You simply don't know what the Hell you're talking about.

 

[mike456]

Yea, you can gain weight eating around your maintenance level, but if you are truly eating exactly at maintenance, and aren't new to lifting/having a growth sput/on gear, then you won't grow.

Yes you can!! If you eat at exactly maintenence you won't gain fat or lose fat, but you can gain muscle/height therefor gaining weight. It has nothing to do with bodyweight, just BF! If you are eating maintenece and lifting that means you are eating enough to build muscle without fat.

 

[CowPimp]

Not even possible to eat exactily maintance calories every day.....unless you are hooked up to some nutritional computer that I have not heard of yet.

Almost every guy I trained with who was strong or a good athlete when I was a kid had the same BF% year round and grew just fine.....the ones who "Bulked" were fat powerlifters and now 20+ years later they are still fat pigs.

Well, your body up and downregulates metabolism based on caloric intake to a certain extent, so you can be eating maintenance within a certain range. Once you outeat your body's ability to upregulate metabolism then weight gain will occur.

I agree that eating only slightly above maintenance is a good idea, but you are still eating above maintenance. It is not possible to gain weight by eating at maintenance. If that were the case, then you would be pretty close to solving the problem of starvation.

 

[GFR]

Yes you can!! If you eat at exactly maintenence you won't gain fat or lose fat, but you can gain muscle/height therefor gaining weight. It has nothing to do with bodyweight, just BF! If you are eating maintenece and lifting that means you are eating enough to build muscle without fat.

I agree 100% with this statement.!!

 

[CowPimp]

No one has answered to me the question of where your body gets the energy with which to build muscle if you are eating maintenance.

 

[kcoleman]

Not even possible to eat exactily maintance calories every day.....unless you are hooked up to some nutritional computer that I have not heard of yet.

Almost every guy I trained with who was strong or a good athlete when I was a kid had the same BF% year round and grew just fine.....the ones who "Bulked" were fat powerlifters and now 20+ years later they are still fat pigs.

OK I think the only problem here is a matter of semantics. Except mike, who's just being a dumbass.

 

[mike456]

Mike, you are ridiculous. How is anyone going to gain weight without a surplus of calories?
What the hell are you talking about, people sometime gain muscle when on a cut, but that is not my point

Your definition of maintenance is totally jacked. Maintenance calories does not include the calories necessary to create new muscle mass. If there are calories enough to build new muscle, then you are NOT eating at maintenance.
Yes you are because your bodyfat will stay at the same fucking amount! The way your thinking you would lose fat while on maintenece while lifting.

I don't know where you go this definition of maintenance, but it is wrong. You simply don't know what the Hell you're talking about.
You do not know what you are talking about.

Can we get a diet/nutrition expert to comeover here and look at this shit.

 

[CowPimp]

OK I think the only problem here is a matter of semantics. Except mike, who's just being a dumbass.

I agree. Mike has assimilated some ridiculous definition of maintenance though.

 

[GFR]

No one has answered to me the question of where your body gets the energy with which to build muscle if you are eating maintenance.

I will get the notes and medical reports I took from 1981 to 1988 showing I had 10-11% BF year round and went from 160 to 215 with only 5lbs of fat gain over 7 years.....just give me a minute.

 

[mike456]

No one has answered to me the question of where your body gets the energy with which to build muscle if you are eating maintenance.

If you are eating maintenece you are eating enough to build the needed muscle. Otherwise you would lose fat. Therefor eating under the correct maintenece calories.

 

[CowPimp]

What the hell are you talking about, people sometime gain muscle when on a cut, but that is not my point

If that happens, then they are utilizing fat stores in order to provide the new energy necessary to build muscle. This is usually only possible for someone who is totally new to heavy resistance training or someone who is chemically enhanced. Otherwise it goes against your body's survival mechanisms to do so.

Yes you are because your bodyfat will stay at the same fucking amount! The way your thinking you would lose fat while on maintenece while lifting.

If you are new to resistance training then you may very well do just that. That's what happened to me when I first started lifting. I didn't change my eating habits one iota, but I gained muscle mass because my body sacrificed it's fat stores in order to try and adapt to this new stressor.

You do not know what you are talking about.

Where did you get your definition of maintenance Mike? I got mine from textbooks.