Hey guys, enjoyed all the hype (and understand, different strokes for different folks) but just for the record, I'm not really "That" out of f shape?P-funk said:
LOL!! What was 25lbs over (not good. 
) is now at 21lbs to go!!! 
MTN WARRIOR said:
Again, Bullshit, its all about maintaining a caloric deficit, period. You can "think differently" all you want, or you can believe in fact. More calories out + less calories in = loss of LBM when done correctly, generally speaking. IF what you said was true, then all you would have to do is stop eating totally for 1 week and you would lose 10 lbs. You must put in the proper amount of macros and burn fat (as well as excess macros) through exercise. Cardio is the best form of exercise to burn fat, proven, and to help maintain LBM. By reducing caloric intake to the point where you start losing your weight, again, your thryoid adjusts your metabolism to burn fewer calories in a "sparring action". Hence you will no longer lose weight.
No shit you need to eat the proper macros...Cardio is not the best for of exercise to burn fat though and you only hope the weight you are losing is fat and not LBM. If you stoped eating for a week you would do nothing buit screw your whole body up...that makes no sense...you would kill your metabolism and go into a catabolic state.
So I guess then the cardio machines at the gym should only be used by the fit people.
No they are great for increasing your cardiovascular fitness level...but thats not what we're talkin about here...we're talkin about helpin royal lose some weight while maintaing LBM
For you its all about muscle, for some, they must get rid of fat as well. That, by every written and spoken standard requires burning off more than you put in. Maybe you were taught by JOHNNNY. If you maintain large amounts of LBM covered in fat, you look like shit, hence cardio.
Yes you must burn off more then you put in, don't put so much in and you wont have to burn so much. Stick to a strict cutting diet and a workout alone should be enough for you to lose weight plenty fast without cardio.
Royal wanted to know about cardio because his goal was to rid himself of 21% BF and 4-5 inches off his waist. I recommended HIT cardio for 20 mins sessions and you came off with that "save the cardio for a final cut or you will be up shit creek" stuff... ... Anyone can go re-read it all... Royal is the perfect candidate for some cardio .DeadBolt said:
SlimShady said:
We all know anyone with excess % BF is a perfect candidate for cardio unless you have a doctors notice stating otherwise. 
In 2 weeks time (with 2-3 inches to lose on the waist)j rizz said:
) (No Joke!) and the Ab Pilates tape hasn't even arrived yet!! Best of Ab work to us ALL! 
(he, he.)
I was only saying that because he was doing so much cardio...I never once said cardio was bad but simply it shouldn't be done to the excess that he was doing it. Those type of measures should be saved for later on. I think people are just hearing me all wrong here or I didn't word my thoughts properly...either way everyones mind is made up.SlimShady said:
we can see that "How much Cardio" can be a heated up topic. What is the agreed upon solution here? Let's put the cards on the table.
This methodology to any training is ridiculous. If it feels good, do it? So drink because it feels good. Eat skittles because it feels good. Curl the bar because it feels good (it feels good, so do it a thousand times).
My "opinions" are certainly no different than your "feel good, do it" opinion. Actually, let me revise that: my opinions are built on substantive fact.
No, i didn't see that show, and I would pass it off as silly entertainment. I also wouldn't trust any of the instructors on the show to speak to me on mechanical physics of muscle, exercise physilogy, or nutrition. These people, from your description, sound like the typical gym fitness trainers: complete morons.
No, aerobics don't have to be high impact. You're right, 20 minutes of HIT cardio several times a week (though 4 would be pushing it, in my estimation) is good. However, low intense exercise does NOT discriminate between fat and muscle. If you start doing too much, every day, you will lose difficult-to-synthesize muscle which is much harder to get back and will lower your BMR.
Just read Duncans lines...he quoted everything I said.Sissy said:
End Note: Any and all respectful Feedback is much appreciated.
Are these the remarks of an "On-line Bully" or what? It sure looks that way to me. i was not Motivated nor impressed in any way... shape... or form... by these rude remarks.Duncans Donuts said:
One fact is 100% certain. ........"You're a real piece of work."Duncans Donuts said:
The false assumption was when you asked me "How would you" and then answered it. You assumed my answer would be yes. "Exactly."
I think you need to look up the word fact. In any case, I would agree if they were quoted in the same bracket. Otherwise, it isn't "fact", because the quotes themselves can be easily referenced on the same page. Anyone keeping up with the conversation would be able to make this distinction.
I'm sorry, but this makes no sense. What does ___! mean? To be a productive member of a board, you need to speak clearly and make cogent arguments. As for the rude comment, get over it. What you said was utter nonsense, and I pointed that out so no other poor saps would take such nonsensical advice. This is the nature of online discussion, at least when something paticularly ludicrious is said.
Maybe others see you as a dullard? What's your point?
There just might be... Sissy, there are at least three different schools of thought.... There is body building, weight loss and general fitness. Each camp has different practices and ideas. What works for one probably won't work for another. Then you toss in the different body types and you really get differing advice and opinions. Each person who responds is only trying to help and to spread advice based on what works for them. People sometimes forget that what worked for them, might not be the best thing for some one else. Still, it is just people trying to help other people.Sissy said:There may be too much Testotrone in here?
I no nothing...a doctor I am not.
sissygirl.
Thank you SlimShady, your Post was a pleasure to read, and I appreciate your kind words.SlimShady said:
Now this is the post that started all the ruckus. But on one last note, from myself, notice the words I used here were (may need?) and (could use?) I was not talking as if (I knew my stuff.) I was talking as if (could I be correct?). Notice all the question marks after each sentence? ...and "I'm no Doctor" means...You guessed it...."I'm not certain." when asked "does anyone care to Duke me out on this?", I said it in fun and did not mean for anyone to take it literally.Sissy said:Ok fellas,
My Street Wise opinion: "the higher % BF, the More Cardio." It could be just that simple? Anyone care to join me on this one? My Street wise Opinion only...I'm no doctor.
For example:
--A well fit individual may only need 20 minutes every other day?
--A slightly (non-fit) individual could use 20 minutes Daily?
--An excessive overweight individual (Could Use?) anywhere from 1 hour or more Daily?
Anyone care to duke me out on this one?
The Truth shall be told.Sissy said:
Just because people are "individuals" does not mean they don't respond in basic, general biological ways to everything from stress to nutrition. While these responses vary, we all fall in a typical range (this is the nature of the "average"). To say that certain methodologies of training work for some and not for others (look at various 'for or against HIT' threads) borders on mysticism: the idea that reality is beyond intellectual comprehension (there is no science).
I believe this is one reason why you never see marathon runners gain much mass, even though they exercise an incredible amount of time.
