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HUmalin -r (insuline) Experience

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This was my first time ever running slin...

15iu injected at 530.., immediately got clammy and a little drunk type feeling this could have been mental or it hit quick. So I slammed a protein shake and karbolyn and creatine, after that was perfect.. Had a crazy taste in my mouth though...

Goal was to train at 6pm but didnt actually make it their until 6:30

Started to hit the gym doing DC training so super heavy failure sets... by 7 the slin hit HARD... like really disoriented where i would probably be talking jibberish... I did not feel that bad though, i think i may have over thought it due to never feeling this experience before. I never felt like I was in danger at all. So I had a protein cookie that is about 30g protein and 36 carbs... Felt fine after that and finished my work out. HUGE PUMP like never before.. My buddy was shocked because he saw me walk in and leave. Granted DC today was chest, shoulders, and tri's so my upper body EXPLODED...

Went to go buy a blood sugar tester, but bought the wrong shit so no im out some cash.. I slammed a protein drink and started to sip on karbolyn drank about 25g. did not want to over due it because dinner was in an hour and i felt fine..

RIGHT at 9pm I had this hunger like I could eat the entire house... Felt great no disorientation just pure hunger... Had pasta (50g carb) Chicken (43g protein) and a salad. Felt great finished my home work, I did not want to sleep yet, I wanted to see if it would hit me again. Sure enough at 11 I got a lil clammy, so I slammed my before bed meal.

This was the trip... I woke up just as volumized as when I left the gym... My abs were showing a bit more as well. I have heard this stuff is strong, and I think I am pretty insulin sensitive because i felt it NICE!!!

I plan on running some trials this weekend. Going to pin 15iu and test my blood sugar after slamming a karbolyn and then test it also with just sipping it to see if slamming it spikes it to high and sipping keeps me in a more stable range. Going to run tests every 15 mins to see how stable my blood sugar is. I also plan on keeping my tester with me at the gym. I understand the power of this stuff and its nothing to get comfortable with.
 
whoever suggested you to use 15iu of insulin for your first time is an absolute idiot.
 
15 iu for your first try? That's retarded and dangerous. I started at 4iu. Do some research and thank your lucky stars you didn't kill someone driving home all fucked up. This is how insulin got a bad rap.
 
when did i say i drove all messed up? There was only one time i actually felt it really hit hard and that was during the work out and I am sure i am over playing the hit hard. Just was something new. I felt incredible in the gym.
 
juicespringsteen said:
whoever suggested you to use 15iu of insulin for your first time is an absolute idiot.
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just about 90% of people i spoke with said 10-15 is fine. Just as long as i get my carb intake. This i coming from top level trainers and bodybuilder, as well as fellow forum guys. Some people adviced to start low, but the consensus was that any thing less then 10iu is a waste, that the dangers are overplayed if your responsible with it, which I was. My gym back was packed full of carbs and candy. Only mistake I made was not buying a blood sugar meter before. Which I have now, also had my friends monitoring me during the gym.

I think SD ran Humalog at 15 his first go and everything went smooth where this was humalin which does not slam you like humalog does.
 
Humalin R for the first time is rough, and at 15iu damn... Humalog will at least clear your system fast, so you can be in better control. I still use humalin when I run out of Humalog, but preference for me is 10 iu humalog 30 min pre, and 10iu 1 hour post
 
jesus--honestly i would say you need to start at a lower dose and get control of how many carbs you need to eat so you dont have that happen again..i was planning on starting with lin r but at like 4 to 6iu and judge how many carbs i need so i dont have that type of experience..kinda freaks me the fuck out..
 
i can feel it kit in later, but it wasnt as hard as it kicked in while i was at the gym. When at home i just felt hungry, it was on point every hour and half or so I would get another little hit. If they say to eat 10carbs per iu i did over do it for my first time. I was closer to 230-250... I am going to keep the same protocol for now which exception of moving a meal up closer to my pre workout. To keep me full longer, then I will start lowering carbs by 5-10 to find my perfect range. each time i take in carbs pre intra post i will be checking blood sugar and timing it to see if it spikes way up to 200 or stay in that optimum range to help reduce fat gains.
 
keith1569 said:
jesus--honestly i would say you need to start at a lower dose and get control of how many carbs you need to eat so you dont have that happen again..i was planning on starting with lin r but at like 4 to 6iu and judge how many carbs i need so i dont have that type of experience..kinda freaks me the fuck out..
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never once did i feel like i was in serious danger, it was just a different experience then not being on slin. I talked to my buddy who is actually diabetic who bodybuilds and he was telling me the signs of when its dangerous and no where did i reach that level. When I explained to him what I felt he told me thats the ideal time to really put food in. When he gets into his dangerous times, he cant even eat or control his body. I was far from that...Like I said I am sure I am over playing the feeling a little, because it is some thing your not use to. The second I ate carbs bam instantly went away.
 
listening to other people on how to use insulin is a great way to end up either fat or dead. in theory, taking in enough carbs to provide your bloodstream with the amount of glucose the insulin will be fighting to deplete is safe. However, you had never tried insulin before and MOST IMPORTANTLY you had no clue what your glucose levels were before injecting 15iu. Im certainly not an expert on anything, but i would have started lower, had my glucose levels pre injection, and would have checked my levels periodically. "feeling" the effects of insulin is not a good thing
 
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I agree with you on that juice... Thats why i bought the meter and will be logging everything after the injection. I made that mistake which is why I loaded up on allot of carbs that day. I have my meter now and every thing for it. I am doing DC training so i only use it M W F so W, I will be logging my pre, intra levels all the way until i go to sleep. To see how my body reacts to the carb intake. I know guys who can slam a karbolyn and they stay stable where another his blood sugar hits 200... So he sips on it for 30 mins and it stays stable. I agree I should have been more prepared my first day, but I dont think 15iu was to much, I wont be going higher, but no where during the day to the night did I ever feel I was in danger. Just a different feeling of course, but like you said I didnt know what my blood sugar was at that point either. Thank you all for your concerns and comments its much respected.
 
also currently on

4iu m-f hgh (hyge browns)
50mg of clomid
HCG still thinking about the dose.. took 500 the other day, but i have been talking about people say to load with 3,000 and then taper down.
No test, no AAS..

And actually getting REALLY good gains off of everything... I look better then when I finished my bulk in jan and I was at 211-213 and I am 203 right now and look just as big if not bigger. If i make it to 220 I am going to be ecstatic...

Letting my body rebound and trying to have a kid.
 
Sip on a bcaa shake while you lift next time. Add 2 scoops dextrose to it, and keep a few glucose tabs in your pocket.

You seemed to do everything right, reason it hit you so hard while you lifted is because of the use of glycogen for energy as you lift heavy and hard. Sipping on a bcaa shake with some dextrose in the mix, will prevent muscle breakdown as you lift, repairing as you break them down. Just another benefit of insulin use.

Take advantage of it.
 
i did sip on BCAA as well just one scoop of Forza BCAA.. I will had some carbs to it next time as well. I will pick up some glucose tabs i had gummy bears and pixie sticks just incase.. The protein cookie though was enough to make me feel great. After I had that cookie I felt like I was on a prework out times 10...
 
First time at 15iu? There is no reason for that risk at all. maybe you second or third run with slin yes, but first time,, just stupid.

If you had your timing right and macros right, which you would have if you started slow, you wouldn't of even felt the hit. Just a great pump and more veins. To me it sounds like you have it very hobbled together,, no blood glucose monitor, why wouldn't you just wait, ? Do you even have glucose tabs? Your lucky, this is how people die using slin.

talking gibberish and disoriented yet you didn't feel like you were in danger? HA
 
I probably should have waited and sure i should have gone lower. My macros were on point with phil hernon's plan. I have my tabs and monitor now so today is day number two... yesterday was my recover day, due to DC training only training m w f and cardio one of the other days. I still fill pumped and volumized. Actually woke up leaner this morning as well. I never lost my abs after the show but I lost my obliques, but now they are back again. The fullness you get from this is amazing...

Yes I may have done day one wrong, but i had plenty of carbs in me, allot of it might have been a mental thing, because i never once really felt like my body was in physical danger. I have heard stories of guys going crazy spending serious time eating tabs and candy to feel better. I never had that urge to rip open the candy that I had and eat it all. I just grabbed my protein cookie and ate it. I like those because they taste freaking awesome and have 40 carbs and 36g of protein.
 
I don't think 15 iu is reckless. I think the body building mentality with insulin is dangerous. And I'm guilty of this as well. Gram of test works good. How about 1250, 1500,1750... And now my cycles are built around a gram and a half of test. I think starting at 15 iu is a questionable decision cause where are you going work up to? It's kinda like your first cycle starting a gram.
I have gone upto 20 iu preworkout and I have had several very scary moments. I know your well versed and use a degree of caution. But what is hard to describe is the mental perspective when you go hypo. I have started going hypo and I felt like I smoked some salvia or maybe even a whipit. The confusion was scary. I was at the grocery store once about 3 hours after injecting 17 iu of R. After working out and drinking an ample amount of carbs. i felt a little woozy walking in the store. by the time i got to the produce I was sweating profusely. My shirt was soaked in minutes. I started getting concerned and confused. For whatever reason I decided that chocolate milk was going to the only thing that worked. I walked across the store sat on the floor and drank a half gallon of Choc milk. I spilled it all over me and the floor. There was like 4 people standing around me asking if I was ok asking me if they needed to call 911. Kinda caused a scene. Pretty embarrassed when I came around. I walked by 15 isles of carbs that would have done the job without the scene. But my confusion just drove me to what I knew. The only carbs I could think of was that Choc milk. I often wonder what would have happened if I hadn't been in a store that I knew well. Since then my insulin use is very moderate.7-10 units preworkout and 2-3 first thing am. And never for more the 8 weeks.

be cautious and never leave the house without some skittles or glucose tabs or something. Never get comfortable with insulin. It will stick it in your ass if you give it a chance.
 
don't listen to the naysayers in this thread... they simply just.. don't know what they are talking about
 
dieseljimmy said:
I don't think 15 iu is reckless. I think the body building mentality with insulin is dangerous. And I'm guilty of this as well. Gram of test works good. How about 1250, 1500,1750... And now my cycles are built around a gram and a half of test. I think starting at 15 iu is a questionable decision cause where are you going work up to? It's kinda like your first cycle starting a gram.
I have gone upto 20 iu preworkout and I have had several very scary moments. I know your well versed and use a degree of caution. But what is hard to describe is the mental perspective when you go hypo. I have started going hypo and I felt like I smoked some salvia or maybe even a whipit. The confusion was scary. I was at the grocery store once about 3 hours after injecting 17 iu of R. After working out and drinking an ample amount of carbs. i felt a little woozy walking in the store. by the time i got to the produce I was sweating profusely. My shirt was soaked in minutes. I started getting concerned and confused. For whatever reason I decided that chocolate milk was going to the only thing that worked. I walked across the store sat on the floor and drank a half gallon of Choc milk. I spilled it all over me and the floor. There was like 4 people standing around me asking if I was ok asking me if they needed to call 911. Kinda caused a scene. Pretty embarrassed when I came around. I walked by 15 isles of carbs that would have done the job without the scene. But my confusion just drove me to what I knew. The only carbs I could think of was that Choc milk. I often wonder what would have happened if I hadn't been in a store that I knew well. Since then my insulin use is very moderate.7-10 units preworkout and 2-3 first thing am. And never for more the 8 weeks.

be cautious and never leave the house without some skittles or glucose tabs or something. Never get comfortable with insulin. It will stick it in your ass if you give it a chance.
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i have two meters now a pocket meter and a home meter that data logs to my computer. The pocket meter stays in my lil gym bag that i basically have on me at all times after i inject. I have a bottle of tabs, gummy bears, pixie sticks, protein cookies, karbolyn, bcaa all in there. I will be taking my glucose levels every 30 minutes through training. At home every 15 minutes to do data logging what its like at home. My computer will also store it and my cousin is building me a program that I can input what i eat and how fast i ate it and what my blood sugar level is. Kind of like (food x time=bl) this should tell me the best way for my body to take slin and eat with it so I dont get fat. My cousin is basically Sheldon from big bang theory.

I agree this could be scary if it got way out of hand, not saying that its impossible to get out of hand either, but i am taking EVERY precaution now. The first day I overdid it with carbs to be sure of it. I was far from the level you were at, sorry to hear about your story, I was still having conversations with my buddies and they did not see any thing wrong, but i did feel a lil out of the norm. When I say I was talking jib, yeah i would say my mind wasnt 100% focused on my speech at one point, but that lasted less then 30 seconds. Thats when I ate the cookie and was fine for over an hour after before i got hungry again. AFter that i did not feel ANY bad signs just hunger.
 
Glad you have more stuff in line now.
Definitely keep us updated, I been thinking of adding in lin r myself.
 
Just keep your eye on it you'll be fine. Your no amature! Insulin is like my puerto Rican buddy. Nice guy but I trust him as far as throw his fat ass. I'm always watching his ass.
 
I think if done properly its VERY safe, if you have that dedicated diet down to where your meals are on track and you never miss a beat then i think it would be easy. Maybe I am just a lil fucked up trying 15iu at first, but thats me i guess. If you go over carbs your fine, but run the risk of getting REALLY fat. My buddy ran it with not monitoring, but ate a fucking truck load and BLEW UP, never had an issue. Hes shredded as fuck now, but blew up. If you monitor it and taper your carbs as low as your body will allow you and find that optimum zone i see the gains are fucking nuts.

I like slin so far because i am VERY scientific guy, i like the fact that i can data log this, unlike other drugs you can't with out paying 50$ every damn test. This is quick and easy, yes, dangerous but i have to say 2 days on this is my 3rd day going to pin in 4 hours, its the best feeling i have had since i first started AAS.
 
I am slowly putting together the information and the tools needed for an effective safe run. I plan on a practice low carb protocol without slin just to be sure I have it down while running it. Has anyone ever done that? If so, Please share your results?
 
cant say i have but doesnt seem like a bad idea...

Second Pin

BS-102 @ 5 40 and injected slin...

Did not get clamy like i did last time and kind of waiting in my chair for a few more mins to see if it affects me like it did yesterday. I think allot of it was now in my head unless i got use to it by the second time. I still taste that weird taste in my mouth though. I do get a lil clammy when i inject though and thats with ass period... Dont feel spacy at all, and looking forward to this work out. Going to test BS again at 5:55
 
keith1569 said:
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you yourself said that you've never done it, and yet you for some reason feel free to give your input.. can't you see how ignorant that is? when I was planning on running it, everyone was telling me how dangerous it is and how im going to die.. these are people I used to respect on this site.. now I see how clueless they were. I just followed the protocol my coach gave me, and have been using 10iu of Humalog pre-workout ever since, 4 weeks on, 4 off. it's not dangerous.. unless you are a fucking idiot. If you want a solid and safe protocol (one that ive used a bunch of times), look up Mike Arnold's pre-workout Humalog protocol. it calls for 15iu pre-workout. I've done insulin basically as many ways as you can imagine.. pre-workout, during workout, post workout.. subq, intramuscular, even IV.. quick warning though, if you do it pre-workout, taking leucine before your post workout meal will make you go hypoglycemic. I do it anyways though... wears me out before bed
 
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