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I have hit a road block with my diet, I need help!
- Thread starter Elipika
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I`m beginning to think this, it`s like compairing apples and oranges. Women don`t pack on the muscle guys do so when they cut they have a lot less to lose.
So unless your competing which is probably 98% of us here, for the guys anyways, getting to 9-10% bodyfat you don`t have to go carb low crazy.
ahh shucks Jodi, I was just making harmless humor...
Originally posted by Jodi
Actually I would say only 10% of the guys here are heading for comp. More women on this board compete than guys. Mines in 5 weeks
OD, yayaya, likely story
I meant to say 98% are not competing or whatever it may be, and good luck on your competition.
Thanks 
I've found that eating a protein bar as a meal replacement is a completely acceptable form of filling a meal slot. Maybe it's just my genetics, or maybe it's the tightness of my daily diet, I don't know. I've been eating atleast one a day for three months now, and not only have I lost bodyfat, but I've gained lean mass as well.
Protein bars would not be advisable to anyone on at cut. 
Bulking or maintenance go ahead if you don't mind all the crap thats in them. I know that I will certainly be indulging on One-Ways and Detours when I go into maintenace but while cutting 
Bulking or maintenance go ahead if you don't mind all the crap thats in them. I know that I will certainly be indulging on One-Ways and Detours when I go into maintenace but while cutting 
Well how about the days you are low on carbs?? I like what Shmoo said. With most men packing more muscle, it's obvious that they need a good supply of carbs every day! I think if you didn't you would loose too much muscle./ Remember, muscle burns more energy................so you have to have the fuel. But I do think you need to watch the kind you eat.
Jodi, that one day that you eat no carbs comprimises your workout, you can't train as hard therefore you are missing an opportunity to build muscle. How do you know you haven't lost any musle? Have you had your bodyfat checked regularly by a DEXA machine?
You might can get by with it. But what about a 200-220 lb man??
Well that one day is my day off at the gym.
Caliper test, measurements etc. proven no bf lost.
You really need to open your mind to new ideas. I thought I've seen some close minded people on this board before but let me tell ya you really take the cake
Caliper test, measurements etc. proven no bf lost.
You really need to open your mind to new ideas. I thought I've seen some close minded people on this board before but let me tell ya you really take the cake
I am not close minded, I know what works and what doesn't, I have been at this game a long time. 98% of people on low/no carb diets gain their weight back and more because they lose muscle. Muscle is the only tissue in the body that burns calories.
No need to get excited, we are just sharing ideas here. I have seen your program and understand the carb cycling idea however as I have expressed before I believe you would get much better results eating more carbs and adding cardio.
It's obvious that you need more than Jodi. I just don't think someone your size(especially if thinking of competing) can afford to slack on his eating, including carbs and chance muscle loss, or more, the chance to gain muscle.
You certainly have established otherwise.
Really? So you have tried everything? And you have seen all sorts of people of all sorts of geno and pheno types try everything? And you have been able to compare progress or lack thereof?
This is such an overgeneralized silly statement its impossible to respond to. Everything works, to some degree. It is not about what works and what doesn't as you so simplistically observe, but rather what is optimal and efficient.
Ah, and longervity equals knowledge in your world? Or were you seeking to prove something with your apparent age?
98% of all dieters gain weight back. Why, because they revert to their old ways. A well thought out cyclical carbohydrate approach will not cause anything but a small muscle loss, at worst. And cut where you drop to an unnaturally low bodyfat level will see *some* muscle loss.
Its is testiiment to Jodi's success that halfway through here cut she has reduced bodyfat, yet strength is up.
Your omniscient knowledge of her, this plan, and her results is ridiculous.
Really? So adipose does not utilize nutrients and calories to survive? Neither does blood, and bone?
Where have you attained your knowledge of physiologu and biochemistry? Or did you just absorb it through osmosis during your inordinately long time on this planet?
For both of my competitions I used a nearly identical approach. No one cutting for a contest is gaining muscle unless on copious amounts of androgens. To think otherwise is naivite at its height.
It is one thing to have a difference of opinion, it is quite another to make outlandish predictions regarding a specific individuals success (or lack thereof) especially when not viewed in the context they are in.
The full article of this plan will be out shortly. We can start a thread then and I look forward to your critique.
I was waiting for you to join in.............
Really? So adipose does not utilize nutrients and calories to survive? Neither does blood, and bone?
That is correct!
Yes, there are many ways to do things, I can walk to Florida from New York but it is much more effecient to fly!
Really? So adipose does not utilize nutrients and calories to survive? Neither does blood, and bone?
That is correct!
Yes, there are many ways to do things, I can walk to Florida from New York but it is much more effecient to fly!
While I would agree that it is extremely difficult to build muscle while on a cutting program, it is certainly not impossible.......even as a natural bodybuilder. That being said, you do not have to give up muscle when your cutting if you eat and train intelligently.
This is incorrect - fat, bone, etc. imparts some metabolic load on the body simply because it requires to be supplied blood flow and maintenance functions etc. The metabolic overhead is real. Not to mention you have to carry the weight around all day which also requires energy. It's not anywhere as high as muscle though.
Zig Zag carb cycling is a legitimate technique. ONe must not forget that there is a fair amount of energy available in glycogen stores and depending on intensity and activity levels 2 days without high levels of carbs is not necessairly bad - expecially on a cutting phase. But in a growth phase I would be inclined to stick with fairly level amounts of carbs except permit a "tapering" methodology toward the latter meals in the day.
thanks for all the input.
I know I want to get down to 10%, but I don't want to burn Muscle. Is there a set time on how long to cut, meaning I don't want to do it too long to where it starts burning muscle.
Once again thanks for all the advice.
I know I want to get down to 10%, but I don't want to burn Muscle. Is there a set time on how long to cut, meaning I don't want to do it too long to where it starts burning muscle.
Once again thanks for all the advice.
Just thought I'd jump in here.For what it's worth,carbs do burn better if taken in morn or mid day.Late carbs tend to store as fat as metabolism slows during sleep.But still depends on quality and quantity.I have 50 g days and 100 g days.Easy to feel drawn without a good carb balance to fats and protein.Ultra low carb is a tough road.
