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I hope this guy didn't get any trick-or-treaters.
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A Minnesota homeowner who shot two unarmed teenagers in the midst of an apparent Thanksgiving Day break-in told authorities he feared they had a weapon, but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to". (Nov. 26)
A Minnesota homeowner who shot two unarmed teenagers in the midst of an apparent Thanksgiving Day break-in told authorities he feared they had a weapon, but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to". (Nov. 26)
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The guy was looking for someone to shot. Probably watches criminal minds all day.
I read about this. That crazy asshole needs to be charged with murder. I'm a huge proponent of the right to defend yourself and home but executing someone after neutralizing the threat is obviously not self defense.
K just to be clear.... he shoots up the first guy, the guy falls down the steps, then he drags the body to another room.
Then, later, a second person walks down those same steps? after what had just happened?
Was his accomplice hearing impaired or mentally retarded? How do you not hear multiple gunshots and then loud tumbling down a flight of stairs? Common sense wold dictate that you would not Try to meet the same fate.
Oh and murder? Please. Mercy killing if you ask me. Im sure the perp was gonna die anyway. Who wants to hear gasping and groaning and whimpers of agony? He did the perp a favor.
If they can prove the perp was gonna die from the previous shots, he'll get off. Hopefully the coroner isnt some bleeding heart sissy who advocates break ins.
Then, later, a second person walks down those same steps? after what had just happened?
Was his accomplice hearing impaired or mentally retarded? How do you not hear multiple gunshots and then loud tumbling down a flight of stairs? Common sense wold dictate that you would not Try to meet the same fate.
Oh and murder? Please. Mercy killing if you ask me. Im sure the perp was gonna die anyway. Who wants to hear gasping and groaning and whimpers of agony? He did the perp a favor.
If they can prove the perp was gonna die from the previous shots, he'll get off. Hopefully the coroner isnt some bleeding heart sissy who advocates break ins.
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kinda of an odd way of handling that almost appears as if he may have held them at gun point and made them go downstairs where he finished them off. jus sayn
as tragic as this is, its evolution.....in the past the dumb ass walked up to a tiger and said "who's a cute puddy cat", stopping people that supid from breeding cannot be a bad thing....
feel sorry for the boys parents, that night they shoulda watched tv and left fucking for another day.....
feel sorry for the boys parents, that night they shoulda watched tv and left fucking for another day.....
I kinda sympathise with him
I had a string of attempted break ins and it can drive you a little insane tbh
first time was when my 2yr old girl was sleeping down stairs, then repeated attempts for weeks after
Even though we're not allowed guns, or even allowed to defend ourselves in my country it got to the point that I was going to kill these cunts for endangering my family.
Shit I chased 3 of them down the road at 3am while it was pouring with rain in nothing but my boxers the last time it happened lol lucky for them they had a car waiting for them.
Looking back, I have no doubt in my mind that at that time, under that kinda prolonged stress I would have "murdered" them without a second thought. I wouldnt have even thought twice about it, I just wanted it to stop and for my family to be safe.
I had a string of attempted break ins and it can drive you a little insane tbh
first time was when my 2yr old girl was sleeping down stairs, then repeated attempts for weeks after
Even though we're not allowed guns, or even allowed to defend ourselves in my country it got to the point that I was going to kill these cunts for endangering my family.
Shit I chased 3 of them down the road at 3am while it was pouring with rain in nothing but my boxers the last time it happened lol lucky for them they had a car waiting for them.
Looking back, I have no doubt in my mind that at that time, under that kinda prolonged stress I would have "murdered" them without a second thought. I wouldnt have even thought twice about it, I just wanted it to stop and for my family to be safe.
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LITTLE FALLS, Minn. (AP) ? A Minnesota homeowner who shot two unarmed teenagers in the midst of an apparent Thanksgiving Day break-in told authorities he feared they had a weapon, but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen, according to investigators.
Byron David Smith, 64, was charged Monday with two counts of second-degree murder in a criminal complaint that was chilling for the clinical way investigators said he described the shootings.
Smith told investigators he shot 18-year-old Haile Kifer several times as she descended a stairway into his basement, and his Mini 14 rifle jammed as he tried to shoot her again after she had tumbled down the steps.
Though Kifer was "already hurting," she let out a short laugh, Smith told investigators. He then pulled out his .22-caliber revolver and shot her several times in the chest, according to the complaint.
"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again," Smith told investigators, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday.
Smith was also charged in the death of Kifer's cousin, 17-year-old Nicholas Brady.
Minnesota law allows a homeowner to use deadly force on an intruder if a reasonable person would fear they're in danger of harm, and Smith told investigators he was afraid the intruders might have a weapon. However, Smith's actions weren't justified, Morrison County Sheriff Michel Wetzel said.
"The law doesn't permit you to execute somebody once a threat is gone," he said.
Smith told investigators he was fearful after several break-ins at his remote home in Little Falls, a central Minnesota town of 8,000 people. The sheriff's office had only one report of a break-in, on Oct. 27. Smith reported losing thousands of dollars in cash, gold coins, two guns, photo equipment and jewelry.
Wetzel said that while the shootings happened on Thursday, Smith waited until Friday to report the deaths, explaining that "he didn't want to trouble us on a holiday."
In the complaint, Smith said he was in his basement when he heard a window breaking upstairs, followed by footsteps that eventually approached the basement stairwell. Smith said he fired when Brady came into view from the waist down.
After the teen fell down the stairs, Smith said he shot him in the face as he lay on the floor.
"I want him dead," the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.
Smith said he dragged Brady's body into his basement workshop, then sat down on his chair. After a few minutes, Kifer began coming down the stairs and he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, he said.
After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver, he dragged her next to Brady. With her still gasping for air, he fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium," the complaint says.
"Smith described it as 'a good clean finishing shot,'" according to the complaint.
The next day he asked a neighbor to recommend a good lawyer, according to the complaint. He later asked his neighbor to call the police.
A prosecutor called Smith's reaction "appalling."
"Mr. Smith intentionally killed two teenagers in his home in a manner that goes well beyond self-defense," Morrison County Attorney Brian Middendorf said after Smith appeared in court Monday morning. Bail was set at $2 million.
Defense attorney Gregory Larson declined comment.
John Lange, who described himself as Smith's best friend, said Smith shouldn't be in jail.
"You have a right to defend your home," Lange said. "He's been through hell."
But Liberty Nunn, a Little Falls resident who said she knew Nicholas Brady's older sister, said Smith could have simply shouted at them to stop. She said she hopes Smith goes to prison "for a very, very long time."
"Those are two young lives that were taken," she said. "It's just not right."
Minnesota sentencing guidelines call for a range of roughly 21 to 30 years in prison for a person convicted of a single second-degree murder count.
Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune his brother had retired after a career as a security officer with the U.S. State Department.
Bruce Smith declined to talk to an Associated Press reporter Monday outside his brother's home. A makeshift barricade blocked the driveway and a board leaning against it bore the spray-painted words "Keep Out."
Brady's sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that Kifer had stolen prescription drugs from her home before. Little Falls police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but the department said the report was not public because that investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles.
Schools in Little Falls, about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis, made counselors available, though classes weren't in session Monday. In nearby Pillager, where classes were in session, a few students sought help from school counselors and local clergy members available at the school Monday morning, said Superintendent Chuck Arns.
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LITTLE FALLS, Minn. (AP) ? A Minnesota homeowner who shot two unarmed teenagers in the midst of an apparent Thanksgiving Day break-in told authorities he feared they had a weapon, but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen, according to investigators.
Byron David Smith, 64, was charged Monday with two counts of second-degree murder in a criminal complaint that was chilling for the clinical way investigators said he described the shootings.
Smith told investigators he shot 18-year-old Haile Kifer several times as she descended a stairway into his basement, and his Mini 14 rifle jammed as he tried to shoot her again after she had tumbled down the steps.
Though Kifer was "already hurting," she let out a short laugh, Smith told investigators. He then pulled out his .22-caliber revolver and shot her several times in the chest, according to the complaint.
"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again," Smith told investigators, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday.
Smith was also charged in the death of Kifer's cousin, 17-year-old Nicholas Brady.
Minnesota law allows a homeowner to use deadly force on an intruder if a reasonable person would fear they're in danger of harm, and Smith told investigators he was afraid the intruders might have a weapon. However, Smith's actions weren't justified, Morrison County Sheriff Michel Wetzel said.
"The law doesn't permit you to execute somebody once a threat is gone," he said.
Smith told investigators he was fearful after several break-ins at his remote home in Little Falls, a central Minnesota town of 8,000 people. The sheriff's office had only one report of a break-in, on Oct. 27. Smith reported losing thousands of dollars in cash, gold coins, two guns, photo equipment and jewelry.
Wetzel said that while the shootings happened on Thursday, Smith waited until Friday to report the deaths, explaining that "he didn't want to trouble us on a holiday."
In the complaint, Smith said he was in his basement when he heard a window breaking upstairs, followed by footsteps that eventually approached the basement stairwell. Smith said he fired when Brady came into view from the waist down.
After the teen fell down the stairs, Smith said he shot him in the face as he lay on the floor.
"I want him dead," the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.
Smith said he dragged Brady's body into his basement workshop, then sat down on his chair. After a few minutes, Kifer began coming down the stairs and he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, he said.
After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver, he dragged her next to Brady. With her still gasping for air, he fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium," the complaint says.
"Smith described it as 'a good clean finishing shot,'" according to the complaint.
The next day he asked a neighbor to recommend a good lawyer, according to the complaint. He later asked his neighbor to call the police.
A prosecutor called Smith's reaction "appalling."
"Mr. Smith intentionally killed two teenagers in his home in a manner that goes well beyond self-defense," Morrison County Attorney Brian Middendorf said after Smith appeared in court Monday morning. Bail was set at $2 million.
Defense attorney Gregory Larson declined comment.
John Lange, who described himself as Smith's best friend, said Smith shouldn't be in jail.
"You have a right to defend your home," Lange said. "He's been through hell."
But Liberty Nunn, a Little Falls resident who said she knew Nicholas Brady's older sister, said Smith could have simply shouted at them to stop. She said she hopes Smith goes to prison "for a very, very long time."
"Those are two young lives that were taken," she said. "It's just not right."
Minnesota sentencing guidelines call for a range of roughly 21 to 30 years in prison for a person convicted of a single second-degree murder count.
Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune his brother had retired after a career as a security officer with the U.S. State Department.
Bruce Smith declined to talk to an Associated Press reporter Monday outside his brother's home. A makeshift barricade blocked the driveway and a board leaning against it bore the spray-painted words "Keep Out."
Brady's sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that Kifer had stolen prescription drugs from her home before. Little Falls police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but the department said the report was not public because that investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles.
Schools in Little Falls, about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis, made counselors available, though classes weren't in session Monday. In nearby Pillager, where classes were in session, a few students sought help from school counselors and local clergy members available at the school Monday morning, said Superintendent Chuck Arns.
he squeezed through letterbox..
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On one hand we have two young kids doin a little B & E, small change shit... lookin for scripts or money.
Then we have a old man, who doesn't really know this... he owns the house, is armed (has the right to shoot) and most of all... he is scared.
Should the kids have known better than to do that ?... Yes, burglary is illegal.
But should the old man have shot the girl through the head ?... In the eyes of the law... no.
This old man is gonna hang.
But if you ask me, someone comes into your house... YOU deal with the law later... those burglars, have to deal with YOU tonight.
Then we have a old man, who doesn't really know this... he owns the house, is armed (has the right to shoot) and most of all... he is scared.
Should the kids have known better than to do that ?... Yes, burglary is illegal.
But should the old man have shot the girl through the head ?... In the eyes of the law... no.
This old man is gonna hang.
But if you ask me, someone comes into your house... YOU deal with the law later... those burglars, have to deal with YOU tonight.
If someone breaks in, or even unlawfully enters (which takes care of open windows and unlocked doors), you should be able to light the bastards up without fear of any reprisal. Clearly they weren't supposed to be there in the first place. If they break in and you aren't armed or able to fight them off you can bet your ass they aren't going to have mercy as they beat you to death with whatever is available. Then on top of that the rest of the world will have to suffer the story of how Johnny Jackrabbit would NEVER do such a thing because he's such a good boy, getting shit grades in school when he bothers to show up and how his criminal record has its own file cabinet.
Someone enters your home you should be able to assume they know you are there and armed and are entering anyway confident that they are going to overpower you. So the only defense to them entering is shooting the living fuck out of them.
Actions have consequences...
