Idiot Cycle

[JerseyDevil]

Methyldienolone is a hormone, but it does not convert to testosterone. This is true even of 1-testosterone. In fact, if it is working, you will see your testosterone levels drop to the levels of a young girl.

Since you are supplying your body with external hormones, your own natural production will slow way down or cease altogether. This is the 'shut down' everyone talks about, and why PCT is so important.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by TrojanMan60563
I actually want to do this to see my liver values, and to see if this shit really is raising test levels. If its not raising the test levels its not really doing anything.

Most drugs and supplements dont raise test levels.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

so the only thing that would raise test levels would be sustanon or some other form of test. Hey do you guys think that 6ox and tribestan can work for PCT...cause I don't have any sources for real stuff. I know of websites but a bit scared to order from overseas

 

[PreMier]

Prince uses 6oxo and says it fine.

 

[Mudge]

There are still research sites that have the stuff.

 

[JerseyDevil]

I found this one yesterday. Great price also. Tamoxifen citrate 20mg/50ml for only $23! That's like half price.

http://www.customnutritionwarehouse.com

http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=50

 

[juicedbeachbum]

Originally posted by juicedbeachbum
The other thing is the IGF is usually ineffective if used for more than 1 month at a time, and it needs to be cycles.

If I was running year round my cycles probably wouldn't look that much different.

Yea that's righ I'm quoting my own post.

So I did a little research and found out that IGF can be run longer than 4 weeks if you run it w/ GH.

The tren he has listed must give crazy pumps, too much for most people. Mixed with Dbols his lower back must kill.

I still think that the toxicity of orals is overstated.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by PreMier
Prince uses 6oxo and says it fine.

Prince doesn't do illegal steroids either.

 

[PreMier]

Originally posted by Mudge
Prince doesn't do illegal steroids either.

I was talking to TrojanMan, and he isnt using illegal steroids either... He is going to be using m-dien.

 

[Power Rabbit]

6oxo is fine for normal PH cycles.....when you start running ph's like gear, then its really not good enough in my opinion.

8 weeks of a androgen that will even slightly shut you down will require abit more than over the counter products can handle...

as I round out my 10 weeker of 1-t 4-ad i have significant testicular atrophy...i wouldnt trust a non gear PCT