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If U have a 401K U R F*cked

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American sheeple with 401Ks:

If you have a 401K, you better enjoy a holiday or go on a binge of some sort.

How do you position this one?

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/23/bu..._r=4&th&emc=th
Wave of Debt Payments Facing U.S. Government


The United States government is financing its more than trillion-dollar-a-year borrowing with i.o.u.’s on terms that seem too good to be true.


But that happy situation, aided by ultra-low interest rates, may not last much longer.

Treasury officials now face a trifecta of headaches: a mountain of new debt, a balloon of short-term borrowings that come due in the months ahead, and interest rates that are sure to climb back to normal as soon as the Federal Reserve decides that the emergency has passed.


Even as Treasury officials are racing to lock in today’s low rates by exchanging short-term borrowings for long-term bonds, the government faces a payment shock similar to those that sent legions of overstretched homeowners into default on their mortgages.

With the national debt now topping $12 trillion, the White House estimates that the government’s tab for servicing the debt will exceed $700 billion a year in 2019, up from $202 billion this year, even if annual budget deficits shrink drastically. Other forecasters say the figure could be much higher.

In concrete terms, an additional $500 billion a year in interest expense would total more than the combined federal budgets this year for education, energy, homeland security and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The potential for rapidly escalating interest payouts is just one of the wrenching challenges facing the United States after decades of living beyond its means.

The surge in borrowing over the last year or two is widely judged to have been a necessary response to the financial crisis and the deep recession, and there is still a raging debate over how aggressively to bring down deficits over the next few years. But there is little doubt that the United States’ long-term budget crisis is becoming too big to postpone.

Americans now have to climb out of two deep holes: as debt-loaded consumers, whose personal wealth sank along with housing and stock prices; and as taxpayers, whose government debt has almost doubled in the last two years alone, just as costs tied to benefits for retiring baby boomers are set to explode.


The competing demands could deepen political battles over the size and role of the government, the trade-offs between taxes and spending, the choices between helping older generations versus younger ones, and the bottom-line questions about who should ultimately shoulder the burden.

“The government is on teaser rates,” said Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan group that advocates lower deficits. “We’re taking out a huge mortgage right now, but we won’t feel the pain until later.”

So far, the demand for Treasury securities from investors and other governments around the world has remained strong enough to hold down the interest rates that the United States must offer to sell them. Indeed, the government paid less interest on its debt this year than in 2008, even though it added almost $2 trillion in debt.

The government’s average interest rate on new borrowing last year fell below 1 percent. For short-term i.o.u.’s like one-month Treasury bills, its average rate was only sixteen-hundredths of a percent.

“All of the auction results have been solid,” said Matthew Rutherford, the Treasury’s deputy assistant secretary in charge of finance operations. “Investor demand has been very broad, and it’s been increasing in the last couple of years.”

The problem, many analysts say, is that record government deficits have arrived just as the long-feared explosion begins in spending on benefits under Medicare and Social Security. The nation’s oldest baby boomers are approaching 65, setting off what experts have warned for years will be a fiscal nightmare for the government.

“What a good country or a good squirrel should be doing is stashing away nuts for the winter,” said William H. Gross, managing director of the Pimco Group, the giant bond-management firm. “The United States is not only not saving nuts, it’s eating the ones left over from the last winter.”

The current low rates on the country’s debt were caused by temporary factors that are already beginning to fade. One factor was the economic crisis itself, which caused panicked investors around the world to plow their money into the comparative safety of Treasury bills and notes. Even though the United States was the epicenter of the global crisis, investors viewed Treasury securities as the least dangerous place to park their money.

On top of that, the Fed used almost every tool in its arsenal to push interest rates down even further. It cut the overnight federal funds rate, the rate at which banks lend reserves to one another, to almost zero. And to reduce longer-term rates, it bought more than $1.5 trillion worth of Treasury bonds and government-guaranteed securities linked to mortgages.


Those conditions are already beginning to change. Global investors are shifting money into riskier investments like stocks and corporate bonds, and they have been pouring money into fast-growing countries like Brazil and China.


The Fed, meanwhile, is already halting its efforts at tamping down long-term interest rates. Fed officials ended their $300 billion program to buy up Treasury bonds last month, and they have announced plans to stop buying mortgage-backed securities by the end of next March.

Eventually, though probably not until at least mid-2010, the Fed will also start raising its benchmark interest rate back to more historically normal levels.

The United States will not be the only government competing to refinance huge debt. Japan, Germany, Britain and other industrialized countries have even higher government debt loads, measured as a share of their gross domestic product, and they too borrowed heavily to combat the financial crisis and economic downturn. As the global economy recovers and businesses raise capital to finance their growth, all that new government debt is likely to put more upward pressure on interest rates.

Even a small increase in interest rates has a big impact. An increase of one percentage point in the Treasury’s average cost of borrowing would cost American taxpayers an extra $80 billion this year — about equal to the combined budgets of the Department of Energy and the Department of Education.

But that could seem like a relatively modest pinch. Alan Levenson, chief economist at T. Rowe Price, estimated that the Treasury’s tab for debt service this year would have been $221 billion higher if it had faced the same interest rates as it did last year.

The White House estimates that the government will have to borrow about $3.5 trillion more over the next three years. On top of that, the Treasury has to refinance, or roll over, a huge amount of short-term debt that was issued during the financial crisis. Treasury officials estimate that about 36 percent of the government’s marketable debt — about $1.6 trillion — is coming due in the months ahead.

To lock in low interest rates in the years ahead, Treasury officials are trying to replace one-month and three-month bills with 10-year and 30-year Treasury securities. That strategy will save taxpayers money in the long run. But it pushes up costs drastically in the short run, because interest rates are higher for long-term debt.

Adding to the pressure, the Fed is set to begin reversing some of the policies it has been using to prop up the economy. Wall Street firms advising the Treasury recently estimated that the Fed’s purchases of Treasury bonds and mortgage-backed securities pushed down long-term interest rates by about one-half of a percentage point. Removing that support could in itself add $40 billion to the government’s annual tab for debt service.

This month, the Treasury Department’s private-sector advisory committee on debt management warned of the risks ahead.


“Inflation, higher interest rate and rollover risk should be the primary concerns,” declared the Treasury Borrowing Advisory Committee, a group of market experts that provide guidance to the government, on Nov. 4.

“Clever debt management strategy,” the group said, “can’t completely substitute for prudent fiscal policy.
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its sad, I actually cashed my Roth IRA out this year and stopped contributing to my 401K, mainly because I became self employed and needed capital, but also because I don't see my retirement accounts being my future, I see my own businesses carrying me into retirement.
 
its sad, I actually cashed my Roth IRA out this year and stopped contributing to my 401K, mainly because I became self employed and needed capital, but also because I don't see my retirement accounts being my future, I see my own businesses carrying me into retirement.

Best of luck, Prince.

There ARE alternatives out there.
 
Most 401Ks allow you to manage a wide range of funds...including those in foreign securities, which accts for 50% of mine...just don't put all your chips in the DJI
 
I searched for the longer thread where we had a lengthy discussion about the 401K being a rip-off.

I saw a documentary 2 days ago (anyone see it?) where a financial statistic whiz starting crunching the detailed numbers of his 401K and his wife's and he found out.

The fee of 2% could take up to 2/3 from your 401K over your working years.

Lost of other - disclosed - fees that are even difficult to understand.

How many notice that even they they keep paying into their 401K the balance never goes up that much?
 
Mine continues to go up a decent amount. I check it often. Fidelity does a mighty fine job of managing their mutual funds, plus I have mine spread out over short, mid and long term growth. I put in enough where it's been some time since I've actually lost value. Even then when it's lost value I've been buying more shares at a reduced price so when it starts to come back just a little bit I get back far more than I lost.
 
Since 2008 my account balance has skyrocketed but I have dollar for dollar matching so it should.

Also my home value has increased in the last year but that seems to be more because of low supply here in Colorado. I imagine they will over build like they always do and it will flatten out.

Anyway, I hold zero debt except my mortgage which currently has equity.

Who knows what the future will bring. The sun could burn out next year but I'm not going to worry about it.
 
Since 2008 my account balance has skyrocketed but I have dollar for dollar matching so it should.

Also my home value has increased in the last year but that seems to be more because of low supply here in Colorado. I imagine they will over build like they always do and it will flatten out.

Anyway, I hold zero debt except my mortgage which currently has equity.

Who knows what the future will bring. The sun could burn out next year but I'm not going to worry about it.

Gee, I wonder why real estate in CO is gaining value. :joint:
 
I searched for the longer thread where we had a lengthy discussion about the 401K being a rip-off.

I saw a documentary 2 days ago (anyone see it?) where a financial statistic whiz starting crunching the detailed numbers of his 401K and his wife's and he found out.

The fee of 2% could take up to 2/3 from your 401K over your working years.

Lost of other - disclosed - fees that are even difficult to understand.

How many notice that even they they keep paying into their 401K the balance never goes up that much?


Yes, I saw it on front line. shocking how much people pay in fees. absolutely ridiculous. I like the idea of investing in index funds like that one old guy was talking about. This is a must see video if you have a 401k

The Retirement Gamble | FRONTLINE | PBS
 
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Colorado was ahead of the rest of the US, got hit a couple years before the rest of the nation with high unemployment and foreclosures, Colorado (Denver metro) has pretty much depleted its inventory of homes in the last 10+ Months. Crazy amount of new construction happening in south metro on what was once empty lot and or foundations sitting vacant for 3+ years from bankrupt builders...
 
Mutual funds are a joke. Learn to play options and you can clean up, but its not for the mindless. Example Tuesday I bought 10 call options on on Microsoft at $33 total cost out of pocket $360.00 sold them about 24 hrs later for $815.00 the stock went up $1.00 so my 10 shares of Microsoft made me $10 and my options made me about $425 in profit. No brainer and there is no risk if you play the calls and watch them.
 
Also I can cash it out and not have the gov wipe out my gains with stealth inflation ie; money printing. Holding long term stocks or a basket of them (mutual funds) is not the way to win the game unless you came in with a shit load of cash. You need a vehicle to amplify your gains then roll that into either gold or dividend paying stock to provide cash flow for your retirement depending on your school of thought.
 
Yes, I saw it on front line. shocking how much people pay in fees. absolutely ridiculous. I like the idea of investing in index funds like that one old guy was talking about. This is a must see video if you have a 401k

The Retirement Gamble | FRONTLINE | PBS

Yeah, that old fella was John Bogle. He manages Vanguard Index Funds. I have 2 funds with them.

I recall the people in the financial management industry saying a lot of fund managers actually put their own money in Index Funds (instead of the funds they manage or other managed funds.)
 
Colorado was ahead of the rest of the US, got hit a couple years before the rest of the nation with high unemployment and foreclosures, Colorado (Denver metro) has pretty much depleted its inventory of homes in the last 10+ Months. Crazy amount of new construction happening in south metro on what was once empty lot and or foundations sitting vacant for 3+ years from bankrupt builders...

true but residential home construction is a "false economy" as once a home is built it no longer "employees" people. it's nothing but an empty shell for storage. the average residential home does not employ or manufacturer any goods or services even the vast majority of micro business don't turn a profit.

you see this point in reports from the Fed and World Bank over and over in their economic reports.
 
I searched for the longer thread where we had a lengthy discussion about the 401K being a rip-off.

I saw a documentary 2 days ago (anyone see it?) where a financial statistic whiz starting crunching the detailed numbers of his 401K and his wife's and he found out.

The fee of 2% could take up to 2/3 from your 401K over your working years.

Lost of other - disclosed - fees that are even difficult to understand.

How many notice that even they they keep paying into their 401K the balance never goes up that much?
2% in fees is pretty high. Last time I checked the average was below 1%. Bond funds average around 0.5%
 
Mutual funds are a joke. Learn to play options and you can clean up, but its not for the mindless.

Correct me if I'm wrong Swfl, but by "options" do you mean "shorting?"

If shorting, how does an individual small guy like me do that? Is it as easy as going long? Need a broker? Can do this online?

Thanks.
 
Options can be played long or short. I do it on scott trade.com you just have to fill out a form and submit it. If you want more info just PM me ill do my best to help you.
 
Options can be played long or short. I do it on scott trade.com you just have to fill out a form and submit it. If you want more info just PM me ill do my best to help you.

OK. I have a Scott Trade account. I'll be going to South America for a spell but when I return I'll get started again.

Thank you for the offer to help on this. :thumb:
 
i have a few plans, my TSP, 401k (I have both) starting to buy houses, goal is to buy a house ever 5 years. ranging from 60k to 200k.. Use them as rentals. have them paid off is 15-20 years. Then use the income from the rentals to supplement my retirement. Make enough money off rentals where I can put my children in charge of them for 50% of the revenue, this will give them extra cash and give me a worry free life. If my kids are piece of shits then I will go to a rental agency. Other is to just buy land right now farm, develop and then attempt to sale it at a high cost for housing developments.

We actually missed out on a deal from wallmart... They wanted to buy our farm for 10 mil.. Family farm not my farm.. but they ended up buying the damn lot across the street from us. The nice thing is our trees are on the city line so the next business that wants to come in has to build where we are.
 
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