Incline Press - A Waste of Time?

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by Mule:
Oh man here we go!

MULE IS A FREAKING GENIUS!

 

[Mule]

DONT MAKE ME COME UP THERE AND KICK YOU MONKEY ASS!

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[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by Pemburu: Would SB & Walter, Baboon, Scotty, Ballast, and especially Mule move over to the picture gallery and post a personal picture....something besides T&A so the rest of us out here can see the real evidence to what works. Until then I continue my Chest and Tri day w/ inclines.
JC
Sorry about the rant.

HUH??????

I said TWICE in this thread that I do inclines. What's your problem, pal?

 

[Pemburu]

Baboon,
No attitude here so none needed. Please don't call me pal unless you know me. You are just one of the main posters on this board so therefore I would like to see the "Mains" to know what is for real. It was gonna be a comparison with the "I think they're a waste" to the "I use them in my routine". In other words SB post his massive body created without any inclines and people such as yourself post your pic with them.(Hopefully w/ massive body attached) Then all get to judge the results. Sorry if you get offended by my mention of your name in my post, but I just rattled off the names I seem to read the most. It was mostly said or typed in jest.
JC

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[walter]

baboon-I totally agree w/ you, starting your day off on Inclines. I do the same on certain days. I don't have a scanner so I can't post any pictures of myself. All I can say is I weigh 175-180, and put up 275*6 225*16 315*2 and 340*1 on the bench. Even though most off you if not all don't believe me. Incline are my weak point though, can only do 255*2. DEclines are better than my bench for reps, I put up 225*17 and 315*2. The more I use the Decline the more I like them. Late

 

[Mule]

Im going to as soon as I can MR. So when are we going to see yours.

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[ballast]

Pemburu-No need to apologize to me.It was a simple misunderstanding and I didn't mean to get so defensive with you.Clean slate.

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[I Are Baboon]

I was complimenting your ability to see the future, donkey balls!

I still like the incline press. Did four sets this morning.

<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by I Are Baboon on 07-30-2001 at 12:17 PM]</font>

 

[Pemburu]

I wish I knew where you lifted so I could come down there and show you what "real" weighttrainingris.

Every board I go to you have a hard time telling what is "Real" and what "Really" works. Please someone come and show me what is real so I'll stop wasting time, effort, and all these @#&!*$$$$$ protein shakes. At this moment I do flat bench, Dumbell inclines followed by flat flyes. After that I start on TRI's using skull crushers, dips and rope pull downs. Then I leave the gym, go back to the office and pour down some creatine, wait 10 min and drink some juice. About 10 min after that I drink a shake and have a natural peanut butter on homemade whole wheat bread sandwich. This is a long say nothing post. But it shows that most of us are wasting our lives away because we don't know what really works. Would SB move over to the picture gallery and post a personal picture....something besides T&A so the rest of us out here can see the real evidence to what works. Until then I continue my Chest and Tri day w/ inclines.
JC
Sorry about the rant.

Okay gentlemen I removed all the names with the exception of TSB, because I know everyone wants to see this individual. My little jest offended some and I do apologize, especially to Ballast since he has actually posted a photo of himself recently. (I usually stay out of the picture gallery as a married man doesn't need to see most of the pics in that place)

Walter, I do believe your lift stats posted below. When I was 28ish I had similar stats.
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<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by Pemburu on 07-30-2001 at 03:32 PM]</font>

 

[ballast]

I posted a pic over a week ago in the picture gallery.Try to look more closely Pemburu.I don't consider myself especially big or strong, but my workouts are definetly productive.As far as the advice that I post, I have never suggested something I haven't tried.As for inclines, I think they are a very beneficial exercise.Without them, my collarbone would still be sticking out of my upper chest.

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[I Are Baboon]

Pemburu,
No harm, no foul. Like I said before, it's all good. Nothing but love on this board. I'll put my pic out there soon enough.

 

[Pemburu]

Mule, It wouldn't be very beneficial for the pic gallery to have my ugly mug in there. After one of Prince's babes of the day (rated PG-20), and w8lifter's Bucks in rut, who'd want to see an over the hill individual flexing their nothing arms and holding their breath to pump out a 38" chest??? It would be too much of a disappointment for all, and my wife would bow her head in shame knowing the secret is out for the whole world to see.
Sorry, maybe a few thousand N-Large's from now I could do it, but for now I'll just innocently antagonize the crowd.....accidently of course.
JC

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[Scotty the Body]

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This is the best picture I can give you right now Pemburu, I know its not to good and I'm not posing or anything but it does show that I do workout and aren't some fat ass behind a screen.
I still do incline press as well and always will, like you, I also don't want to waste any time in the gym but the sad part is, there just isn't anything that will work for EVERYONE, so you just have to try a few different things to see what works for you.

If it stops working, then try something else, that's what its all about.

Good luck.


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[ballast]

Nice pic Scotty.Looking buff.But, did anyone ever tell you that you look like Danny Bonaducci(sp?) from the Partridge Family?

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[MtnBikerChk]

I'm so confused.

Who are the good guys and who are the bad guys here?

 

[TheSupremeBeing]

This whole controversy (which shouldn't even exist if people would just learn a tinsy bit about how the body works) is so damn stupid. Have you ever seen the upper chest grow disproportionaly? No you haven't. You think you "feel" the incline more in the upper chest or something (which is due to proprioception)...well that's all fine and dandy but you don't grow more there now do ya? No you don't and nobody has ever been able to prove otherwise. So stfu about it.

Now you can classify me as a bad guy

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[bludevil]

Can I be one of the bad guys that everybody cheers for, you know like the coyote chasing the road-runner.

 

[ballast]

I'm confused as well.Bad guys = against inclines and good guys = for inclines?

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[TheSupremeBeing]

I have to say bad guys = for inclines, because they're just parroting incorrect gym advice costing thousands of innocent ispiring body transformers time and energy.

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[ballast]

Thanks Supreme.In that case, put me down under the category of BAD GUY!

Here are the people you call parrots;Fred Hatfield,Charles Staley,Charles Poliquin,Michael Yessis,Tudor Bompa and Lorenzo Cornacchia.All these guys agree that inclines work the upper chest.They all train world class athletes and some of them have ph d's in their respective fields.You can't tell me that all these guys are full of shit.

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<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by ballast on 07-31-2001 at 02:52 PM]</font>

 

[TheSupremeBeing]

Ballast = Evil.

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[ballast]

Supreme=THE ANTI-CHRIST

ballast says

"I cast you out, unclean spirit!"

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<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by ballast on 07-31-2001 at 02:59 PM]</font>

 

[TheSupremeBeing]

originally posted by ballast
Here are the people you call parrots;Fred Hatfield,Charles Staley,Charles Poliquin,Michael Yessis,Tudor Bompa and Lorenzo Cornacchia.All these guys agree that inclines work the upper chest.They all train world class athletes and some of them have ph d's in their respective fields.You can't tell me that all these guys are full of shit.

No, they aren't full of shit (Charles Staley is one of my favorite writers, actually) but they are relying on EMG analysis which have been proven not to be able to predict hypertrophy (ever look into the real world? Note my before/after pic comparison).

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<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by TheSupremeBeing on 07-31-2001 at 03:20 PM]</font>

 

[ballast]

Allright Supreme-I'll use myself as an example.Up until I was 24, I had the upper chest of a mouse.My lower pecs had some size from all the flat benching I was doing but my upper chest was so shallow looking, you could see my collarbone going all the way across.Then I switched entirely to incline movements.After about a year, my upper chest area filled in,at which point my collarbone basically disappeared from view.Now, if upper pec stimulation is not possible, what happened here?

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[TheSupremeBeing]

Your whole chest grew, along with your anterior deltoid.

Show me before/after pic, I'll put up $100 that your upper chest didn't grow disproportionately.

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<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by TheSupremeBeing on 07-31-2001 at 03:58 PM]</font>

 

[ballast]

Supreme-Did you go to school on the short bus?How can I put up a pic of my chest from 3 years ago?Your explanation doesn't make too much sense.My chest had been growing before I focused on inclines.After a year of focusing on them, my upper pecs had filled in.It's my belief that had I kept going with the flat benches, my lower pecs would still be overdeveloped compared to my upper pecs.BTW, as to the people I named in my last post;if they are basing their info on EMG's,and these EMG's are inaccurate(supposedly),then why do these people stick to their claims?If the EMG's are not accurate,wouldn't these training experts and gurus admit to this?And speaking of pics, where's yours?With all of the supreme knowledge you possess, you must be a monster.

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<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by ballast on 07-31-2001 at 04:21 PM]</font>

 

[TheSupremeBeing]

LOL, I figured you may have a pic from a while ago.

I ain't a monster, I'm 5'9 170 at 10%. Up 55lbs LBM from where I started, though.



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[ballast]

Sorry Supreme.No pics from back then.I can see your side of this debate, I just feel that inclines hit the upper pics.Maybe I'm wrong.BTW, sounds like you've made some pretty good gains.Keep it up.

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[The Rose]

I can't believe that this issue has caused so much controversy. I think I started World War III.

 

[ballast]

Yeah.This is the second time you've cause world war three on the same topic.Like to stir the pot, don't you?


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