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Tough Old Man

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Squats found to cause long term harm!
Squats have long been the cornerstone of leg training in the US and the world over. However, a new training methodology is emerging from the Eastern European Sports Training institutes. The dominant Soviet bloc Olympic athletes have discovered that doing squats can potentially harm the lower back. Studies have shown that in the bottom position the load is twice as much as the actual weight. For example, if you're doing 300 lbs, at the bottom position your back is stressed with a load of 600 lbs. This load can be even greater the faster you ascend or descend, which poses over the long term, the risk of serious injury. The riskiest element of this exercise is that there is a tendency to "bounce" an inch or so beyond the bottom to get past the sticking point. This places great stress on the lower back and is dangerous to the structure of the knee. Several Olympic champion weightlifters of the 60's are now unable to walk because of compression injuries of the lower spine due to excessive squat lifting.
What the Eastern Europeans have devised is a combination of single leg exercises which protect the lower back and knee while focusing more completely on the thigh and hamstring muscles which need to be strengthened. The beauty of these two exercises is that they can produce equal or superior development of the thighs and hips with far less weight than the squat - by about 2.2 times. For example, you would need to squat 220 lbs to get the same amount of workout done with 100 lbs. And you would be less likely to get injured while training. The proof of success is Leonid Taranenko, the current holder of the world record in the clean and jerk in the superheavyweight class. (586 lbs!) Taranenko's main form of heavy leg training are the step up and the squat lunge.
The Step Up
Place the barbell over the shoulders behind the head. Be careful to keep your shoulders over your hips as you step up onto the box. Resist the tendency to bend forward at the waist. On the down phase, let the trailing leg bend slightly to cushion the descent.
Current biomechanical research concludes that hamstring muscles should be approximately 75% as strong as the quadriceps muscles. If you have experienced a pulled hamstring or quadriceps, you probably had a strength imbalance between the two opposing muscles. A simple way to measure your hamstring to quad strength ratio is to do a 1 rep maximum of a hamstring curl on a machine and then to a 1 rep maximum of a leg extension for the quads. Your lifting results should be as close as possible to 75% in ratio.
Varying the box height for step ups: The higher the box the more emphasis is placed on the hamstrings. The lower the box the more emphasis is placed on the quadriceps. The two ideal box heights are 12" and 18".
 
this is just nonsense and should be deleted as fast as you posted it man, on the real. its only bad for your lower back if you ignore your lower back training. Its just like an other muscle, if you neglect it you will pay. this is a ridiculous article, who wrote it and what are his credientials? how long has he squatted? where did he get his PhD? how much does he squat?
 
Tough Old Man should be Funny Old Man :lol:
 
The Squat is not an easy exercise, this is one exercise I see most people avoid.
I can't blame a person for avoiding squats especial after hurting themself doing them.
 
gr81 i don't think i train my lower back... what are some good exercises for lower back?
 
good mornings, stiff legged dead lifts, rack dead lifts, deadlifts and so on. core training is vital and often neglected with most people. That includes strength training the abs as well.. btw great sig, I could watch that over and over again dammit! lol
 
I also like weighted reverse hypers(i think they are reverse) for my lower back. This seems to hit my lower back heavily.
 
my strength and conditioning teacher is pretty big... he benches like 350. I was doing stiff leg deadlifts in class and he told me that i shouldn't do that, i should do regular deadlifts because i will hurt my back if i do it... is that true?
 
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No. Be sure to use proper form.
 
I was wrong gr81 it is just a regular hyper extension rack that I use. My bad. Althought after reviewing the two properly I am going to talk to my gym's owner and see about getting a reverse in there.
 
what's proper form, can u give me a website which shows how to do it
 
i should do regular deadlifts because i will hurt my back if i do it... is that true?

rule number one, and its a hrad one to get past.. never assume b/c a person is big or strong that they know what they are talking about!
now you may have been doing them wrong and he might have been saying that, but to say you shouldn't train your lower back, as if its some fragiel muscle that should never be directly worked is ridiculous. How else will you strengthen it? The reason people injure themselves with the power movements so much is b/c they neglect the key components of the lifts like the core and hams and whatnot, make sense? Like my man P said, the number one key is to perform them correctly, but as long as you are doing that you should be fine. Check out the Quote by Dave Tate in my sig, thats what I am referring to. understand?
 
I was wrong gr81 it is just a regular hyper extension rack that I use. My bad. Althought after reviewing the two properly I am going to talk to my gym's owner and see about getting a reverse in there.

yeah I have never seen one obviously at any fitness center. I am thinking about purchasing one and just keeping it at a gym if I could. I find myself having to improvise with a roman chair, which isn't nearly as good but gets the job done I suppose.
 
its in my sig under excercise demos, but read those articles, they will help. that other site isn't always accurate
 
Squatting Like a Powerlifter, Squatting Big

Search for that thread and memorize it. If squatting was bad, when done right, guys wouldn't be squatting 1100+ pounds and smiling about it later.
 
a big problem is probably with those smart people who arch their back. like those morons who are tinier than me squatting 315 going about 40% of the way down, back arched over.
 
I dont squat despite the fact that I was instructed to do so by some knowledgable board homeys...

But I did start doing regular dead lifts two days ago and I still walk like the penguin in pump's sig.. I can barely bend my legs!
 
i dont squat because it feels like im getting a pencil jabbed into my very lower abdomen, even with low weight. id prefer to not have a hernia at this age.
 
pumpthatiron said:
my strength and conditioning teacher is pretty big... he benches like 350. I was doing stiff leg deadlifts in class and he told me that i shouldn't do that, i should do regular deadlifts because i will hurt my back if i do it... is that true?

Pure crap. Ask him why. If he tells you it requires too much lower back, then tell him that's the point. It works the lower back, gluts, and hamstrings all very well.

As long as you keep a tight stance, you should be fine. Check out this page:
http://www.bsu.edu/webapps/strengthlab/exdetails.asp?exid=169
 
This thread reminds me of the people arguing with me that locking out on exercises will harm you.



Lifting weights in general is a stress to the body. If you train heavily with weights you will suffer the consequences in your joints as you age. That is an immutable fact. We do what we do with this is mind.
 
is it true what u just said? i didn't know there was anything wrong with lifting weights... hmm that makes me rethink if it's worthed
 
chris mason said:
This thread reminds me of the people arguing with me that locking out on exercises will harm you.



Lifting weights in general is a stress to the body. If you train heavily with weights you will suffer the consequences in your joints as you age. That is an immutable fact. We do what we do with this is mind.

I agree with this. I think the word heavily is most key here. Most of us lift weights that put too much stress and tension on our joints and muscles when we don't need to do so in a quest to "get huge" or "get strong". Most of the time we are putting our body into a state of dysfunction by lifting incorrectly in an effort to gain too quickly. Then we get injured, don't rehab properly and put our bodies further into dysfunction and continue the path. You have to learn to walk before you can run (or HOP, of course).
;)
 
chris mason said:
This thread reminds me of the people arguing with me that locking out on exercises will harm you.

I apologize, should we all be singular-minded on a fitness forum? If I recall, the argument against locking out was that if you were worried about certain joints, it might be a better idea to rack the weight (specifically on squats) instead of locking your legs and breathing.

People are entitled to discuss things without your patronizing them.
 
chris mason said:
This thread reminds me of the people arguing with me that locking out on exercises will harm you.



Lifting weights in general is a stress to the body. If you train heavily with weights you will suffer the consequences in your joints as you age. That is an immutable fact. We do what we do with this is mind.

Just because weight lifting is a general stress to the body doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to do things to minimize this stress.
 
Duncans Donuts said:
I apologize, should we all be singular-minded on a fitness forum? If I recall, the argument against locking out was that if you were worried about certain joints, it might be a better idea to rack the weight (specifically on squats) instead of locking your legs and breathing.

People are entitled to discuss things without your patronizing them.
How is that being patronizing?

This thread reminds me of the other. That is all.

If someone trains heavy in ANY fashion for a prolonged period it will be detrimental to the joints. Those are just the facts.
 
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