Insulin on cycle!!!

[Standard Donkey]

Mike Arnold is the man.. his guidance helped me through my first insulin cycle

 

[Mike Arnold]

Jay_steel
How much slin is that for u? I see 200g karbolyn and 2 pcs of bread. That can easily cover probably 30iu.

One more thing, I wouldnt run slin if someone is above 7% and watery.
6 weeks is fine, even 4. I like metformin of slin.


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Above 7%? Very few BB'rs have a genuine BF% of 7% or lower unless they are 4-7 weeks out from a contest. Just about all of our pros are above 7% in the off-season, while most range between 10-12%...and a decent percentange go even higher. Many (not all) of them use slin. The reality is that reasonable slin use makes the physique look better...not fatter. Insulin ONLY makes the physique look fatter if you actually gain fat (which does not have to happen when using insulin)...or if you use excessive dosages (due to consideable water retention). Reasonable slin use usually makes people look leaner because of the increased muscular volumization. The muscles become fuller and press out aganst the skin harder, making the entire physique look tighter. Most people start to notice this tightening up effect within the first few days.

The principle is similar to what takes place with carb loading/depletion. What happens when glycogen levels are low? The muscles look soft and watery due to a lack of intramuscular glycogen. When the muscles are full of glyocgen, the opposite effect takes place...the BB'r now looks harder, fuller, tighter and better overall. This is how insulin works...it pushes nutrients in either muscle or fat cells. As long as you don't eat more than your body can use for growth, the cals you consume won't be stored as fat. Rather, they will be stored in muscle, making the BB'r look better in every way. There is a misconception that insulin will make you add fat even if you are eating a maintenance amount of calories, but this is not true. Insulin will only cause fat gain when the body cannot use the calories it has been given. In conclusion, insulin will only make you look fatter if you actually gain fat, and as said above, this does NOT have to occur when the BB'r is smart about his use and diet.here is no reason to have to be at 7% in order to use insulin. One's BF% is a personal thing. Insulin will work all the same, regardless of what someone's BF% is. They are two seperate things.

 

[Mike Arnold]

its for 15iu's the extra carbs are precautionary and also this is my bulk, I am probably 8% right now and don't want to go past 10% during this bulk. Goal is to hit 230 this bulk at 10%. I would like to stay at 9% so that when i do my prep next its easier to reach 3% bf and come in shredded as fuck. I am still gathering research, which is why i am not jumping into it and picking brains.

my diet will consist of mostly carbs and protein really low fat. no fat after the slin injection.

Keep in mind that is is a false belief that eating fat when slin is active will make you fat. It will not. Yes, it will slow down the absoprtion of nutrients a bit (to what degree is dependent on how much fat you eat, as well as sevral other factors), so you will want to avoid it around workouts, but it does not matte with other meals, assuming you are not eating more cals than your body needs.

 

[Night_Wolf]

its for 15iu's the extra carbs are precautionary and also this is my bulk, I am probably 8% right now and don't want to go past 10% during this bulk. Goal is to hit 230 this bulk at 10%. I would like to stay at 9% so that when i do my prep next its easier to reach 3% bf and come in shredded as fuck. I am still gathering research, which is why i am not jumping into it and picking brains.

my diet will consist of mostly carbs and protein really low fat. no fat after the slin injection.

That's overkill bro. Here is what my "carb protocol" was for 15iu of Humulin R:

14.00 Chicken, 80g oats
14.45 15iu slin
15.30 Shake: bcaa, eaa, creatine, 35g waxy maize
16.00 Train, shake: bcaa, eaa, creatine
17.00 Shake: 2 scoops whey
18.00 Chicken
20.30 Cottage cheese

Again, is impossible to screw up on slin if you are not complete and utter moron.

This would be the worst case scenario: you eat a meal and later inject slin. You start feeling a little bit sweaty and light headed so you drink some carbs... That's it. Doesn't sound like a horror story to me lol
2-3 times I started to get hypo symptoms like that when I was walking to the gym or when I arrived their before a workout. I just took out a 0.5l bottle of sprite from my gym bag and drank third/half of it and sat for a few min and it went away completely.
Is not like- you inject slin and if you did not cover it with perfect amount of carbs, you fall instantly into coma and die. That's scare mongering from morons on other boards.
There are plenty of hypo symptoms that last for quite some time, so you have plenty time to react, especially with Humulin R. Worst case scenario you will feel light headed for a few min and take a sip of coca cola, not bad at all

 

[Night_Wolf]

Above 7%? Very few BB'rs have a genuine BF% of 7% or lower unless they are 4-7 weeks out from a contest. Just about all of our pros are above 7% in the off-season, while most range between 10-12%...and a decent percentange go even higher. Many (not all) of them use slin. The reality is that reasonable slin use makes the physique look better...not fatter. Insulin ONLY makes the physique look fatter if you actually gain fat (which does not have to happen when using insulin)...or if you use excessive dosages (due to consideable water retention). Reasonable slin use usually makes people look leaner because of the increased muscular volumization. The muscles become fuller and press out aganst the skin harder, making the entire physique look tighter. Most people start to notice this tightening up effect within the first few days.

The principle is similar to what takes place with carb loading/depletion. What happens when glycogen levels are low? The muscles look soft and watery due to a lack of intramuscular glycogen. When the muscles are full of glyocgen, the opposite effect takes place...the BB'r now looks harder, fuller, tighter and better overall. This is how insulin works...it pushes nutrients in either muscle or fat cells. As long as you don't eat more than your body can use for growth, the cals you consume won't be stored as fat. Rather, they will be stored in muscle, making the BB'r look better in every way. There is a misconception that insulin will make you add fat even if you are eating a maintenance amount of calories, but this is not true. Insulin will only cause fat gain when the body cannot use the calories it has been given. In conclusion, insulin will only make you look fatter if you actually gain fat, and as said above, this does NOT have to occur when the BB'r is smart about his use and diet.here is no reason to have to be at 7% in order to use insulin. One's BF% is a personal thing. Insulin will work all the same, regardless of what someone's BF% is. They are two seperate things.

Hi Mike, glad that you replied.

What I implied was that I like to use slin when I'm super lean and dry when I'm transitioning into my "bulk", so for the first 4-6 weeks than drop it.

 

[s2h]

Good call Mike...there is allot more solid slin protocols that have come about over the last few years...the use of luecine is super important..

 

[Mike Arnold]

Hi Mike, glad that you replied.

What I implied was that I like to use slin when I'm super lean and dry when I'm transitioning into my "bulk", so for the first 4-6 weeks than drop it.

Please don't think that I was criticizing you...because I wasn't. Your post could've easily been interpreted by someone to mean that slin should never be used when above 7%. I just wanted to make sure the guy asking questions did not think he had to approach contest condition in order to use insulin. That's all. I understand what you are saying though. When you are very lean and use slin, it does have more of a dramatic visual effect because you can see the changes more clearly.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Good call Mike...there is allot more solid slin protocols that have come about over the last few years...the use of luecine is super important..

Thanks. A lot of guys are still stuck in the dextrose way of thinking. This is partially because the internet saves old information just the same as new information...and it will all pull up in an online search. This makes it difficult for the average guy to be able to learn what information is relevant and what is out-dated.

 

[jay_steel]

That's overkill bro. Here is what my "carb protocol" was for 15iu of Humulin R:

14.00 Chicken, 80g oats
14.45 15iu slin
15.30 Shake: bcaa, eaa, creatine, 35g waxy maize
16.00 Train, shake: bcaa, eaa, creatine
17.00 Shake: 2 scoops whey
18.00 Chicken
20.30 Cottage cheese

Again, is impossible to screw up on slin if you are not complete and utter moron.

This would be the worst case scenario: you eat a meal and later inject slin. You start feeling a little bit sweaty and light headed so you drink some carbs... That's it. Doesn't sound like a horror story to me lol
2-3 times I started to get hypo symptoms like that when I was walking to the gym or when I arrived their before a workout. I just took out a 0.5l bottle of sprite from my gym bag and drank third/half of it and sat for a few min and it went away completely.
Is not like- you inject slin and if you did not cover it with perfect amount of carbs, you fall instantly into coma and die. That's scare mongering from morons on other boards.
There are plenty of hypo symptoms that last for quite some time, so you have plenty time to react, especially with Humulin R. Worst case scenario you will feel light headed for a few min and take a sip of coca cola, not bad at all

My big concern is will humalin -r be fine running it when i train at 6pm?

What time should i pin it if I train at that time. I am just worried about going hypo when im sleeping...