Is a 1 hour 45 min weights workout too long?

[SVEN73]

Cortisol KILLS...

 

[gr81]

very true, you don't want high levels of that hormone at all

 

[oaktownboy]

after an hour cortisol levels are very high in our system and test levels drop Now why in hell would you want to train for 2 hours?

 

[oaktownboy]

Obviously you aren't pushing hard enough. You need a trainer to hook you up with a better program.

 

[oaktownboy]

BTW, how in the name of Zeus's butthole did u discover Trish A?

 

[oaktownboy]

Is she a washington native?

 

[gr81]

she is a toronto girl. She was big in the fitness industry and she is a wrestler in the WWF. I can safley say it was love at first site. mhmm.

 

[Pumping Iron]

I don't know about you guys, but i can't finish a workout in 45-60 minutes if my life depended on it. i have to warm up my hurt rotator cuff and warm up in general (light movements) which alone takes 5-10 minutes.

say its leg day....there's no way i can finish in 50 minutes now. tell me you can go to your next set with 30 seconds rest after you absolutely murder yourself getting that last rep. it takes me 30 seconds before i can see straight again. then add a few more sets of killer squats, leg pressing, leg extensions, and hammys all going until failure...then i do a few calf exercises (if i didn't start the workout with them), abs and 10-15 min cardio

thats at least 2 hrs, then i can't walk right for a week.

 

[gr81]

too long man, learn to pick up your intensity, that is how you progress as a lifter. Progressing also means learning from newbie mistakes, like spending 2 hrs in the gym. I could run down a normal leg for me, which includes more sets than you do from what you posted, and I get done in 60 mins every time. Pick it up plain and simple, you aren't doing yourself any good being in theree that long, that is a fact bro.

 

[Pumping Iron]

Trust me man, my intensity is as high as its gonna get, i focus on the mind-muscle and take it to the max.

anyways, my buddy who competes at 220 shredded takes longer than i do. i think he takes too long b/w sets, and hes a monster.
he told me to take longer, but i like the killer pumps....

i'm growing like jack's beanstalk, and losing fat as well. if i stop growing, then i'll consider changing.

 

[rkurashima]

"The late Mike Mentzer, whose Heavy Duty Training system remains popular even after his death, was adamant that the best way to stimulate muscular hypertrophy (growth) is to continue a set until you reach the point of concentric muscle failure." I can find a dozen more who support it and a dozen more who don't. I can find a dozen medical researches that advocate it and a dozen that rebuke it. I'm not saying it's the only way to train. I guess the point I was trying to get across was that if you are training for 1 hour and 45 minutes and still feel all squirrelly afterwards, you should be lifting more intensely. I got a little carried away, but this is how I train. Granted not every workout and or exercise I do.

 

[gr81]

Originally posted by Pumping Iron
Trust me man, my intensity is as high as its gonna get, i focus on the mind-muscle and take it to the max.

anyways, my buddy who competes at 220 shredded takes longer than i do. i think he takes too long b/w sets, and hes a monster.
he told me to take longer, but i like the killer pumps....

i'm growing like jack's beanstalk, and losing fat as well. if i stop growing, then i'll consider changing.

First of all, that is BS that your intensity level is as high as it will get, if that is true then why continue lifting. You obviously aren't as intense as you could be if you are training that long plain and simple, we will see where that takes you in the long run. Look up the facts that hormone levels drop after an aloted time. BB is a science and you should learn the facts. And using the argument that it works for someone else means nothing. I have a friend that is a monstorous 260 and I wouldn't recommend one thing he does to the average trainee. Just b/c e big guy does it doesn't mean it is the way. most of the time those guys have such good genetics that no matter what they do they will grow, that doesn't mean they know shit about BB. Get in and get out, you aren't Arnold that you nned to be training for hrs, it will catch up to you.

P.S. hoe come you haven't responded to my PM a while back PI, I answered all your questions. Nothing to say??

 

[Pumping Iron]

What do you mean why continue if i'm as intense as i'm gonna get? I'm as intense as i'm gonna get, not as big man. What do you train your whole body over a 10 day period?

And i'm not using the arguement that it works for someone else, that's exactly my point, is that tough to understand? i don't go slower like my boy suggests, i go at the pace that i'm at because i keep growing, both bigger and leaner. And you need to drop the Arnold shit man, its getting old.

p.s. i don't care enough to ask you questions

 

[gr81]

I was saying you can't train like him b/c he had extremely long WO and you do too, that is all, I am not giving you shit. You aren't as intense as you will ever be, intensity is a process in which you build upon as your training and knowledge increase. Your intensity level doesn't, or at least shouldn't plateau after a few years of training. That is how you continue to make gains by gradually in creasing different aspects of training like intensity. Hey do whatever you want though, I don't know why I even try to help little newbie jokers like you that think they know everything. Just know that during hr # 2, your precious test levels are plummeting and you cortisol levels are way up. All that fat you think you are burning is muscle you fool, ha ha

 

[Pumping Iron]

I'm sure i'll be able to raise my intensity higher, but for now, its as high as its gonna get.

Oh you must be right, you know everything about anything that anyone has to say. How does it feel to know everything there is to know about bodybuilding? wow, i wish i could. alls i know is i'm getting bigger and leaner at the same time, hence building muscle, so i must be doing something right.

 

[gr81]

It isn't just me saying that you shouldn't train for that long, anybody who knows their shit will agree with me, and when did I say that I know everything about everything. don't put words in my mouth. You don't have to get defensive b/c your training style might not be perfect after all. I overtrained as a newbie and still gained, big deal, any one can. We will see how you handle things when you plateau, your body will be depleted and overtrained and you will plateau, but hey keep going b/c I don't know shit. I wish I could take you through a training session with me, I would have you throwing up in the bathroom after 10 mins with all that 2 hr shit. Maybe you will learn someday rookie, that is if you decide to research anything instead of coming to conclusions like you did, " I must be doing something right". I hope that you know it isn't physically possible to lose fat and gain muscle at teh same time and I would love for you to explain how our biology is capable of that, please enlighten me..

 

[Pumping Iron]

Oh ok man, not only do you have the right answers to everyone's problems, but now you definitely train harder than everyone too! holy shit man, you get better by the minute. Ya, i'm sure i'll be throwing up, because you train harder than anyone that's ever lived.
and i never said my training style is perfect, in fact, its probably far from it. i don't think anyone's can be. noone knows there body absolutely perfectly about exactly how long to train and exactly what exercises to do except for you.

and for the record i did not say you know everything about bb, you just act like you do thats all. you know i train for to long, i'm gonna plateau, i'd throw up if i lifted with you. man, you have all the answers.

p.s. i'm not getting defensive, you're the one gettin fired up. i dont waste my time gettin mad at someone over the computer, i could care less.

 

[gr81]

Once again you are putting words in my mouth. I said I train harder than you b/c I do more than you in less time, pretty simple. I never said I know more than everyone, but I do know more than you so why don't you learn something instead of putting words in my mouth. This idea of keeping your training time to under an hour isn't some wild idea I came up with you idiot, why don't you research it and find out the facts b/c I am done trying to speak upon a little close-minded chump like you.

 

[Pumping Iron]

oh man, i'd better shut up. big gr's gettin mad, you fake ass wanna be thug

 

[gr81]

I would expect that from an immature close minded person like you. I never claimed to be a thugg, nor did I say anything that even remotely hinted towards that, have I made any threats at all that would suggest otherwise?? Hey it is all good though. You can argue with me but you can't argue with the facts. Keep training that long, we will see.

 

[Tha Don]

I hear where pumping iron is coming from.

For example your training legs.... and you do squats, deadlifts, calf raises (right leg, left leg), leg press, and them leg curl things.

Lets say you do 3 sets on each, and each set takes about 1 minute to complete (e.g. 8 reps, doing them controlled, 2 secs up 1 sec hold, 4 secs back etc...)

thats 6 x 3 = 18 (the number of reps your doing) x 1 min = 18 minutes

now say inbetween each set you have on average a 3 min rest, thats 3 x 18 = 54, plus the 18 min = 1 hour 12 mins

then you have to allow time for your warm-up, cool-down, stretches etc, sometimes you might have to wait for the equipment, which can make the time inbetween exercises a lot longer

I think it would be hard to fit that all into 1 hour session, and that is just for your legs! sometimes you might have to train more than that!

That is the same reason i take so long on my chest, I do incline db press, db press, machine press, incline flys, pec deck, dips. I know that is probably too much and I struggle on the last few but I get a great pump and feel damm ripped at the end of it, and thats what my aim is when I'm working out a body part.

Anyway I managed to cut my rest time today, to about 1 min 30 inbetween sets, got my shoulders and arms done within an hour , and they feel really drained right now even though i didn't do as good in terms of the reps i was getting out (i was pushing out like 8 on my first work set, then 6 then 5... stuff like that)

Peace

 

[ponyboy]

Originally posted by young d
I hear where pumping iron is coming from.

For example your training legs.... and you do squats, deadlifts, calf raises (right leg, left leg), leg press, and them leg curl things.

I think it would be hard to fit that all into 1 hour session, and that is just for your legs! sometimes you might have to train more than that!

That is the same reason i take so long on my chest, I do incline db press, db press, machine press, incline flys, pec deck, dips. I know that is probably too much and I struggle on the last few but I get a great pump and feel damm ripped at the end of it, and thats what my aim is when I'm working out a body part.

Peace

I think that is part of the point some of us are trying to make. If you do squats and deads properly and intensely, then doing leg curls and presses is unnecessary IMO, plus you wouldn't be able to get the proper level you need to stimulate growth if your legs are already fried.

For chest, if you do 6 exercises it is totally unneccessary. Personally I do 10-12 total sets for large muscle groups and 6-10 for smaller - that's all it takes to get some growth...takes about 45-50 mins total with rest periods included.

 

[Tha Don]

Originally posted by ponyboy
I think that is part of the point some of us are trying to make. If you do squats and deads properly and intensely, then doing leg curls and presses is unnecessary IMO, plus you wouldn't be able to get the proper level you need to stimulate growth if your legs are already fried.

For chest, if you do 6 exercises it is totally unneccessary. Personally I do 10-12 total sets for large muscle groups and 6-10 for smaller - that's all it takes to get some growth...takes about 45-50 mins total with rest periods included.

What is IMO?

thanks anyway, its just hard to chose from so many, so i tend to do a bit of all

 

[Bodferret]

Well mate i agree with gr81 the man is right. If you train over the spoke about hour that everyone speaks about then your cortisol levels increase and you start burning valuable muscle.
Its different if you are doing aerobic exercises and trying to lose weight. Testesterone levels drop after about 50 mins training and this is fact. Nobody is getting down on you here they are just trying to help. If you think the advice is wrong well then come back on and speak about it. Done get mad sure we are all trying to learn things thats why we are here. Be cool PUMPING IRON and do what your name says. No need to

 

[TattooedCarrot]

Originally posted by young d
What is IMO?

IMO = In My Opinion

 

[gr81]

when we say training for an hr, we mean actual training time, not time spent stretching and warming up. Actual weight lifting time. All in all I spend probably about 1.5 hrs in the gym on leg day at least, but that includes stretching and all that shit. It really isn't that hard getting done in an aloted time frame, just pick up the pace. I am able to do 8-10 sets for calves, 15-20 sets of quads and 6-10 sets forthe hams in under an hr easy. You should be in there focusing on the task at hand, not walking around waiting for a machine, if it is being used, do something else. Everyone can m,ake excuses as to why they didnt't get this and that done and why not, but it isn't everyone else you are cheating, itis your self. Everyone can raise their intensity level!

 

[maniclion]

Its all a mind/body connection. By training a short time, but not feeling that anything is accomplished you are going to psych your self into believing you're cheating or by training a long time but worrying that you are overtraining will cause your cortisol levels to skyrocket. Both of which will trigger negative responses effecting gains. Its not all physical, its mental, too.

 

[oaktownboy]

Originally posted by Pumping Iron
oh man, i'd better shut up. big gr's gettin mad, you fake ass wanna be thug
I don't believe GR ever said he was a thug.He's just trying to help you dawg.You might disagree with what he has to say, but at least respect him.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by young d
thanks anyway, its just hard to chose from so many, so i tend to do a bit of all

Keep it simple, switch it up now and again if you like, but doing every excersize under the sun every workout is going to eat your hopes for gains.

Benches, incline benches, pec dec or flys is personally what I do, sometimes I will throw in a set of dips. You can use dumbells if you prefer.

 

[Tha Don]

Originally posted by gr81
I am able to do 8-10 sets for calves, 15-20 sets of quads and 6-10 sets forthe hams in under an hr easy.

15-20 sets of quads?

shit man, ain't that like a few too many?

(or am I just misreading what you said)