i am not a huge fan of clen or any other types of stims unless its for contest prep. People build a reliability on these types of drugs to keep the weight off and use them to supplement a shitty or lack of diet. i am only running 40 mcg of clen this season during my prep where last year i was at 200mcg and my weight is coming off much faster with a better diet. Even though I am still on clen I am only using it for contest purposes. For best results I would say 10mg anavar over clen.