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is it possible to come back from the darkside?
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Maybe, assuming there are no negative side effects.
Also, if you take that approach, then you better be extremely confident that you don't have an addictive personality.
You might want to take it slow, like a cycle a year and see how that goes. You can see how addictive it is, how difficult it is to keep the gains post cycle, ect...
Also, if you take that approach, then you better be extremely confident that you don't have an addictive personality.
You might want to take it slow, like a cycle a year and see how that goes. You can see how addictive it is, how difficult it is to keep the gains post cycle, ect...
Darth Vader did it... I'm sure its possible!
bonesaw man if you gear up to 222lbs and you stop the gear you will not maintain anything.....you must reach your full potential naturally and that takes years of training before even thinking about gear. you are still young and you don't need to mess up your test and your system.
And there is no ideal body weight , each individual is different and you should not compare with others, the only competition you should have is yourself,...any progress is very good..work on that!
BJG you are so full of shit.... long term AAS use actually causes changes on a cellular level in your muscles that make it easier to build/maintain muscle, even after you stop the AAS (upregulation of androgen receptors, increase in muscle cell numbers and muscle cell nuclei, etc). I know several guys that used to juice heavily and don't any more, when they start training/eating seriously they blow up fast, even though they no longer use AAS.
dude i know dozens of guys who look like shit now while 20 years back they were competing.
your theory on AAS is BS and many people keep taking AAS and claiming that they don't.
Long term use of AAS = you will be addicted and in deep shit that's all.
When a juicer claims he maintained gains after stopping steroids he usually means during off periods between cycles ...it is only possible because he did not give himself time to lose everything that's all ...stopping AAS means STOPPING FOR GOOD and for years.
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Nothiing is permanent in this game. Not muscle growth, not receptor changes, not organ growth, not facial hair, not even balding on your head. Chances of restoring your testosterone levels over time? No one can say. Chances of staying past your natural limit without juice? Not likely. Reality is, you can reach a certain size without steroids, there's a range you can hover in going on and off, there's a size you can be with nonstop use or blasting and cruising, and if you want to go without steroids, you're going to have to accept being a little smaller. Although any of that "you go back to exactly what you were before you started juicing" is complete bro-science and wishful thinking for anyone that didn't juice, you can maintain what is near your genetic limit without gear if you're 100% dedicated. Few cells in your body live throughout your life, and muscle cells definitely aren't in that category.
+ there are REAL and MANY medical research studies linking steroids to cardiovascular and cardiac problems leading to DEATH.
but many tend to just ignore these studies and gather their info from some steroid sites or from some gym punk.
but many tend to just ignore these studies and gather their info from some steroid sites or from some gym punk.
Calves of Steel
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As a person that conducts medical studies, I can tell you that a lot of them are bull, most of the data is collected by 18-24 year olds who are far more focused on making a grade than accuracy and precision. Plus, there's a lot of politics going on with demonizing steroids. Don't believe everything you read. You would be surprised as to what and just how much a person can take, and actually benefit from it. These are compounds that are supposed to be in the human body to some extent and serve very important functions. As far as cycling and juicing goes, it's all calculated risk, but to some people very well worth it man. Life's too short to live with terrible genetics if building muscle is what you love.
sure it is a choice , but when it comes to advising a new lifter i would not encourage him to do AAS for many reasons...as far as a calculated risks ...to some extent ... the dosages used by some have unknown risks even unknown to studies which makes it very uncalculated and very dangerous
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bjg.........do us all a favor bro, speak to us with a little respect, if you really have something to say we will listen but when you treat us all like shit we won't be able to hear your message even if you have one because we are pissed at how you present your opinion..........
show me one time where i did not respect a forum member unless he started insulting me first ..and most of the times i don't even answer
Calves of Steel
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We're all on steroids all the time, including naturals. Gains on juice and gains while natural are really the same. More estrogen = more water and bloat, less estrogen = leaner and harder gains. Genetics make a bigger difference than moderate steroid use.
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look like i fell into my bed....nice thread... 
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Lyle Alzado.
End thread, brother! Alzado used AAS from 1969 until at least his retirement from the NFL in 1985. That's a rock's throw from 20 years of AAS use!
"I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped."
—Lyle Alzado
According to at least one article found online, Alzado's brain cancer is extremely rare and usually only found in AIDS cases. If his cancer was caused by AAS then where are all the other deaths in football and baseball for that matter which would also be attributed to AAS abuse?
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After this cycle I plan on taking a long break from juice maybe a year or two.I want to totally clean my system out.I have no plans to be a bodybuilder.I have nothing but respect for those guy's,but there is no money in the sport for one(only a few elite guy's get paid doing it),I don't have the genetics for bodybuilding.I love gear don't get me wrong but if your not naturally suffering from low t why take it year round.I will get my levels checked 6 week's after a aggressive pct it may be to late and the damage is done,but I'm confident I can bounce back 100%
^^^ sure you can bounce back ......and i hope you never touch AAS again..you might go down after AAS but with hard training you will not feel so bad. I ve seen many people stopping completely AAS and some others are addicted...
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What do you plan on using for pct?
Damn, 6 weeks of clomid would have me feeling like shit. I hate clomid... I have been using torem for my pct.
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People who decide to use gear and then want to come off and stop completely probably never should have used it. It's a lifestyle
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I never said I was done just a break to see if I could recover my natural test
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Im not talking about you lol just a general statement. I dont think you will ever come off forever. I just think that younger guys who decide to use at like 18-20 and then lose interest in lifting were not meant to use gear. I just see using gear as something that becomes part of your life. coming off to try and have kids, etc is normal
