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[DOMS]

we used the atomic bomb because Russia entered the war and already killed more Japanese in the short time they landed than we did the whole war. The Japs didnt surrender yet so we were still at war so dropped the bomb as a show of force to Russia who wanted to split japan like they did germany. Your Retardation knows no bounds.

I'm having this very argument on another site. The idea that the USA didn't need to drop the nukes goes beyond fucking retarded.

 

[heckler7]

I'm having this very argument on another site. The idea that the USA didn't need to drop the nukes goes beyond fucking retarded.

under that rational, you could argue that we didnt need to use bullets either. Morons. They didnt surrender yet and were stalling, we could have used a death star if we had it.

 

[DOMS]

under that rational, you could argue that we didnt need to use bullets either. Morons. They didnt surrender yet and were stalling, we could have used a death star if we had it.

Two simple facts destroys the argument that we didn't need to drop the bomb. The anti-bomb sentiment usually revolves around the (moronic) idea that Japan was going to surrender.

My rebuttal:

Japan was going to surrender? Really? What, was is late Friday night and the Japanese didn't want to be rude, so they were going to wait until Monday to really surrender. Either you surrender or you don't. It's not like deception is a method used in war...

If the Japanese were already going to surrender, why did it take two bombs used three days apart? It was the second bomb that got them to actually surrender. Some anti-bomb types even ruin their own argument by saying it was Russia moving against them. The problem is that the Russians didn't move against the Japanese until after the second bomb was dropped. So it took two nuclear bombs and the Russians before the Japanese would surrender? But weren't they already going to surrender before all that?

 

[heckler7]

Does it really matter. We dropped the bombs before the surrender. not after thats all that should matter. If there was and invasion we would have suffered massive casualties.

 

[LAM]

lets recap what I said. We entered these countries without an attack on the US and without most even knowing we were there.
sorry proceed with your no point rambling

LOL...those country's did what exactly do the US?

and of course DOMS's the "great white dope" backs you up...dumb and dumber

you two make for some great sheep...you believe everything US "history" and the news tells you...your so smart and intelligent!

 

[LAM]

Two simple facts destroys the argument that we didn't need to drop the bomb. The anti-bomb sentiment usually revolves around the (moronic) idea that Japan was going to surrender.

U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey report released July of 1946.

"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey?s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

suck it DOMS....

 

[DOMS]

U.S. Strategic Bombing http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/fact-sleeping-dogs-is-better-than-gta4.452653118/Survey report released July of 1946.

"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey?s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

suck it DOMS....

Nice job there cutting out the more relevant part, dumbass.

Emphasis mine.

There is little point in attempting precisely to impute Japan's unconditional surrender to any one of the numerous causes which jointly and cumulatively were responsible for Japan's disaster. The time lapse between military importance and political acceptance of the inevitable might have been shorter had the political structure of Japan permitted a more rapid and decisive determination of the national politics. Nevertheless, it seems clear that, even without the atomic bombing attacks, air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need for invasion.

In other words, Japan had not yet surrendered. The hadn't surrendered, so we nuked them. End of story.

If they had been so keen to surrender before the first bomb was dropped, why'd they wait until after the second bomb was dropped?

Also, "air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need for invasion." Oh, in a war that has cost million of lives so far, air supremacy over Japan could have brought about an unconditional surrender? Well stop the fucking presses. There's a solid "could" there. Which is all you need to end a war that had resulted in the deaths of over 60,000,000 people (that was 2.5% of the world's population at that time).

That logic that you ascribe to is un-fucking-believable. Why don't you make yourself a time machine and go back to WW2 to win the war...for the Germans and Japanese.

Stupid monkey.

 

[LAM]

Stupid monkey.

ah...poor stupid white guy...did I hurt your feelings?

I stated that bomb was not needed, didn't day anything about when Japan had surended...the document does not state that it was.

LOL...you called me a stupid monkey...LMAO! ignorant racist that hides behind his computer in his small town that never goes anywhere and has never done anything, that hurts so much....might have to seek professional therapy

 

[DOMS]

LOL...those country's did what exactly do the US?

and of course DOMS's the "great white dope" backs you up...dumb and dumber

you two make for some great sheep...you believe everything US "history" and the news tells you...your so smart and intelligent!

Says the negro that's pulled the race card for Obama. You're a person so blinded by stupidity that you won't, not for a second, blame Obama for the same shit that GWB did. I've called you on it several times and you never, ever do it. Yet you call other people sheep.

Stupid monkey.

 

[DOMS]

ah...poor stupid white guy...did I hurt your feelings?

It's your stupidity and blindness that offends.

I stated that bomb was not needed, didn't day anything about when Japan had surended...the document does not state that it was.

The document uses solid wording like "could". Which, like you, is bullshit. The Japanese had handed out instructions for the Japanese to perform guerrilla warfare, including suicide attacks, should the Americans make it onto Japanese soil. It was only the complete unconditional surrender that came after two bombings that put all that to rest.

 

[LAM]

Dwight Eisenhower ? then Supreme Commander of all Allied Forces, and the officer who created most of America?s WWII military plans for Europe and Japan ?

"The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn?t necessary to hit them with that awful thing."


" In [July] 1945? Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. ?the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.

During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ?face?. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude?."

William D. Leahy -

" It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."

Assistant Secretary of War John McLoy -

"I have always felt that if, in our ultimatum to the Japanese government issued from Potsdam [in July 1945], we had referred to the retention of the emperor as a constitutional monarch and had made some reference to the reasonable accessibility of raw materials to the future Japanese government, it would have been accepted. Indeed, I believe that even in the form it was delivered, there was some disposition on the part of the Japanese to give it favorable consideration. When the war was over I arrived at this conclusion after talking with a number of Japanese officials who had been closely associated with the decision of the then Japanese government, to reject the ultimatum, as it was presented. I believe we missed the opportunity of effecting a Japanese surrender, completely satisfactory to us, without the necessity of dropping the bombs."

Under Secretary of the Navy Ralph Bird -

" I think that the Japanese were ready for peace, and they already had approached the Russians and, I think, the Swiss. And that suggestion of [giving] a warning [of the atomic bomb] was a face-saving proposition for them, and one that they could have readily accepted.

***

In my opinion, the Japanese war was really won before we ever used the atom bomb. Thus, it wouldn?t have been necessary for us to disclose our nuclear position and stimulate the Russians to develop the same thing much more rapidly than they would have if we had not dropped the bomb."

 

[LAM]

It was only the complete unconditional surrender that came after two bombings that put all that to rest.

so says the US media...such a credible source of information. they certainly have never lied or stretched the truth about anything...

 

[DOMS]

so says the US media...such a credible source of information. they certainly have never lied or stretched the truth about anything...

So what? The shit you're posting is sacrosanct? I'm posting from a lot of different sources.

Hell, you're the one siding with a Republican president to try to make your case. So Republicans are evil and untrustworthy...unless you need to quote them?

"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..." - Eisenhower

Again, you'll notice that the words uses are far from certain. If Japan has unconditionally surrendered, sure there would have been no need to nuke them, but they hadn't. Also, if Dwight didn't think they bomb should be used, why didn't he stop it?

 

[heckler7]

LOL...those country's did what exactly do the US?That was my question brainiac

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do you not read or comprehend? I begining to think you cut and paste your posts too? should be very simple to understand

 

[heckler7]

time for you medicine

 

[heavyiron]

Guys, please knock off the flaming. Take the attacks to AG.

Thanks

 

[LAM]

Hell, you're the one siding with a Republican president to try to make your case. So Republicans are evil and untrustworthy...unless you need to quote them?

"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..." - Eisenhower

they never point the finger in US politics or economics but the facts remain that the use of the bomb was not needed, was a show of force along with being a real-world demo, after-all they were "only japs". the only people in the US that were rounded up and put into camps despite the other country's that had sided right along with Germany.

the US is a waring nation, it is a business for capitalists in this country. which is why we go from war to war to war, decade after decade and it never ends. there is always a new enemy for the US to fight to keep the profits flowing to the MIC and others. it's always about money which is another reason why certain areas of Japan were over-bombed which made it easier to set up the manufacturing facilities which supplied goods to the US after the war. because remember before things were made in China and Mexico they were made in Japan...

 

[bio-chem]

so says the US media...such a credible source of information. they certainly have never lied or stretched the truth about anything...

so why didn't they surrender immediately after the first one?

 

[Zaphod]

so why didn't they surrender immediately after the first one?

You don't know many Japanese, do you?

 

[LAM]

so why didn't they surrender immediately after the first one?

doesn't really matter, who really knows. half the stuff in the National Security Archives that have been declassified have been blacked out so much we will never know the truth, and that's they way they want it....Japan had been beaten and knew it.

using the atomic bomb was a show of force and capabilities and was how the US lured the USSR into a what 2 decades plus long arms race until the USSR ran out of money in the 80's...then out of the blue came the CIA trained "terrorists" from Afghanistan and the new war on Islam...it's the same old song and dance..us vs them...over and over and over.

the word trade center bomber in 1993 was trained by who?....the CIA

 

[Supreme Allah]

more flaming now

 

[heckler7]

doesn't really matter, who really knows. half the stuff in the National Security Archives that have been declassified have been blacked out so much we will never know the truth, and that's they way they want it....Japan had been beaten and knew it.

using the atomic bomb was a show of force and capabilities and was how the US lured the USSR into a what 2 decades plus long arms race until the USSR ran out of money in the 80's...then out of the blue came the CIA trained "terrorists" from Afghanistan and the new war on Islam...it's the same old song and dance..us vs them...over and over and over.

the word trade center bomber in 1993 was trained by who?....the CIA

IM's resident Obama stalking anti government propaganda blog reading mis- information terrorist. We assisted the Afghans because russia invaded Afghanistan and fought a 9 year war.

Biggest troll on IM. o wait hes so smart and backs himself up with facts


facts from the internet
Russian invasion of Afghanistan

facts from the internet
Invasion of Afghanistan


but Lam will have some links to some blogs that claim it was USA's fault Russia invaded Afghanistan

 

[Supreme Allah]

I said more flaming like that faggot curt