JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

[secdrl]

No you don't.

Negged.

 

[secdrl]

If I only took the time to read another one of your bullshit posts... but hey, jersey shore is on re-run so..

JimmyUSA, incase you didn't know; Gissurjon is the house Muslim attorney here at IMF. You won't find one post of his (and LAM's) that criticize liberals. Gissurjon supports Muslim terrorists. (I heard that from a reliable source and it's up to him to prove me wrong.)

 

[NVRBDR]

JimmyUSA, incase you didn't know; Gissurjon is the house Muslim attorney here at IMF. You won't find one post of his (and LAM's) that criticize liberals. Gissurjon supports Muslim terrorists. (I heard that from a reliable source and it's up to him to prove me wrong.)

well, that makes clear his inability to understand certain things, and make an intelligent contribution to an otherwise simple and decent conversation.

 

[hypo_glycemic]

haha... nope, it's not, I have a contract on the rest of my land, that is just what is fenced around my ranch house.

Do you farm Jimmy?

 

[NVRBDR]

No, we raise cattle down south, I am in real estate, lease holdings, oil and gas.

 

[LAM]

lol, I employ a variety of people, I have personally witnessed real life situations with real people in need, and be turned down because they earn too much. I also know "several wetbacks" that have construction crews that make well over 100K+ a year and don't pay a dime in taxes, but they sure send money to Mexico and many of them had their babies right here in the good ole' USA for free. when they vacation, it's for no less than a month, and it's ALWAYS in Mexico.

here's a stat for ya...
According to an AZDHS report, in 2009, Arizona taxpayers ponied up somewhere between $30,000,000-$70,000,000 to pay for thousands of illegal immigrants to give birth in Arizona hospitals.
and another one for ya... Obama Administration has provided the nation's 11 to 18 million illegal aliens with work permits and temporary legal status. All this with a 8+% unemployment rate and for many a very shitty economy

you should probably read the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act because what Obama is proposing is almost exactly the same as under Reagan except that the GOP's plan gave amnesty to a much larger percentage of the illegals already in the US. in 1986 there were 3.2M illegals with amnesty given to 2.7M of them or 84%.

"the current plan it to issue temporary work permits for those who were in the U.S. before their 16th birthday, be 30 or younger, lived in the U.S. at least five years and be in school, graduated or served in the military.
They are ineligible if convicted of a felony, three misdemeanors or one "significant" misdemeanor."

Read more: Immigrants to pay $465 for temporary work permits | Fox News

Ronald Reagan on Immigration


Effects of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act on Crime
Effects of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act on Crime by Scott Baker :: SSRN


* you guys need to read Karl Marxx - everything he stated would happen to the US "when" the fed gov became married to the markets has come true. democracy only serves those with capital and economic policy only serves to insure wealth flows up

Roubini on the Economy
Leading Economist Nourial Roubini: ‘Karl Marx Was Right’ | Death and Taxes

 

[hypo_glycemic]

No, we raise cattle down south, I am in real estate, lease holdings, oil and gas.

Fuck, you're a jack of all trades..

 

[NVRBDR]

Fuck, you're a jack of all trades..

Not really, Real estate and lease holdings are my personal baby, oil and gas royalties are a blessing of buying the right properties at the right time. Raising cattle is more of a hobby for us, we have peacocks, guineas and goats too.

 

[dirtwarrior]

Here is another thing that pisses me off besides besides the aliens in our country taking our taxes. You have a single mom that gets food stamps and housing, medical care etc she clearly can't afford her child. She brings another child into the world she can't afford and we pay... where is the justice in that?

 

[LAM]

Nice observation, now you come up with the solution and present it. The American dream that so many love to refer to makes this practice acceptable, it is at its core to make money and be successful. Minimum wage law should be much higher no question but allowing illegals to collect what a citizen that pays taxes can't, that is FUCKED UP! There is no argument to justify this, no matter how many studies LAM or you refer to, it is flat out wrong. I could give a shit about legal immigrants, many do shitty jobs no one wants (good for them taking them on), but they need to pay for the privilege to work in this country like everybody else. The only way I can see to stop illegals is to have HUGE fines for hiring them.

if you read the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act you would see that it did not change anything in regards to penalty's for employers to hire illegal immigrants, etc. even today red states can not get legislation passed that actually imposes any serious penalty's on employers that knowingly hire illegal workers. 2 bills out of Texas HB 2878 & HB 1202 can't even make it out of committee, just like all the rest. it's all smoke and mirrors and if you read the legislation there is always a clause for illegal workers in agriculture, employers there always get a free pass.

elites want immigrants and they don't care if they are legal or illegal, it doesn't effect them or their lives in anyway. and the fact remains that providing some amount of social protections helps to prevent illegal activities and crime. the pareto principle (80/20 rule) also applies to crime and is supported by the statistics. only a small percentage of any population "wants" to do bad the rest do so out of desperation.

 

[ctr10]

you still haven't figured out that historically elites favor immigration. it helps to push wages down and revenue from consumption and goods & services up. all that money that gets sent back to Mexico ends up in the profits of US large firms since the Mexican economy is designed mainly for export. the majority of their consumable goods are being made in US company's and imported into Mexico for sale.

Export.gov - FTA - NAFTA

the states can not afford the cost of increased border security, etc. and the 1% on the Hill will never pass any legislation stopping it....LMAO

if not for the illegal immigration from Mexico into the US the population growth would be even less than it is now, which means that GDP is obviously going to contract even more as the US population growth continues to decline. US consumers are also burden by debt since wages in the service sector are insufficient for excess consumption and credit has been tightened along with the home equity that was lost which fueled much of the excess consumption in the 2000's.


there's as much chance of immigration reform being passed as there is big tobacco taking the carcinogens out of their products...

That's not the point, follow the laws that are already on the books

 

[ctr10]

Here is another thing that pisses me off besides besides the aliens in our country taking our taxes. You have a single mom that gets food stamps and housing, medical care etc she clearly can't afford her child. She brings another child into the world she can't afford and we pay... where is the justice in that?

Thats their anchor baby technique

 

[oufinny]

if you read the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act you would see that it did not change anything in regards to penalty's for employers to hire illegal immigrants, etc. even today red states can not get legislation passed that actually imposes any serious penalty's on employers that knowingly hire illegal workers. 2 bills out of Texas HB 2878 & HB 1202 can't even make it out of committee, just like all the rest. it's all smoke and mirrors and if you read the legislation there is always a clause for illegal workers in agriculture, employers there always get a free pass.

elites want immigrants and they don't care if they are legal or illegal, it doesn't effect them or their lives in anyway. and the fact remains that providing some amount of social protections helps to prevent illegal activities and crime. the pareto principle (80/20 rule) also applies to crime and is supported by the statistics. only a small percentage of any population "wants" to do bad the rest do so out of desperation.

I'll let you know when I have time to do that; hint, it won't be anytime soon. Unlike you, many of us work long days and get precious little time to read up some bill from 1986. I am not ignorant nor is anyone else who doesn't have time to read every bill that comes out of congress or lives off of what they pull out of lexis nexus searches. You continually remind me of two people I know, one is a cousin the other a good friend, who are extremely smart but have done little tangible good with their gift. I know you served in the Navy but sitting at home all day and spouting off here does nothing for the greater good, use what you have if you feel we all need to know the truth that we are so "ignorant" to. At least than you can say you tried instead of being some liberal cynical ass who talked a great game but never played in the starting line up.

 

[Gissurjon]

you're not smart enough to understand them, don't waste your time. jersey shore rerun? lol. that makes perfect sense, lol.

yea that's it, not smart enough. I love it when Americans boast about their intelligence, oxymoron ?

 

[DOMS]

yea that's it, not smart enough. I love it when Americans boast about their intelligence, oxymoron ?

You're thinking of "intelligent black man". Hell, I tried typing that into Google and it suggested "crack-using black man".

 

[LAM]

I'll let you know when I have time to do that; hint, it won't be anytime soon. Unlike you, many of us work long days and get precious little time to read up some bill from 1986. I am not ignorant nor is anyone else who doesn't have time to read every bill that comes out of congress or lives off of what they pull out of lexis nexus searches. You continually remind me of two people I know, one is a cousin the other a good friend, who are extremely smart but have done little tangible good with their gift. I know you served in the Navy but sitting at home all day and spouting off here does nothing for the greater good, use what you have if you feel we all need to know the truth that we are so "ignorant" to. At least than you can say you tried instead of being some liberal cynical ass who talked a great game but never played in the starting line up.

trust me I know that am fortunate to be able to sit around and read all day. and anyone that gets the majority of their information from politicians and tv is ignorant as neither one serves the average worker. what's going on in the US today is not new it's happened before the monopoly capitalists pulling the strings of politicians is nothing more than the modern day equivalent of the robber baron. nothing more than capitalists that hate capitalism

 

[oufinny]

trust me I know that am fortunate to be able to sit around and read all day. and anyone that gets the majority of their information from politicians and tv is ignorant as neither one serves the average worker. what's going on in the US today is not new it's happened before the monopoly capitalists pulling the strings of politicians is nothing more than the modern day equivalent of the robber baron. nothing more than capitalists that hate capitalism

You talk like a politician to a T! You completely ignored the whole point of my post, you have elected office in your future.

 

[Little Wing]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/04/world/americas/04iht-id.2688618.html?pagewanted=all

Maria, 51, came from Mexico City illegally six years ago and bought a counterfeit green card and Social Security card through a friend for $180. She earns $6.50 an hour, and like most of the seven million working illegal immigrants in the United States, she pays income tax and Social Security tax.

She agreed to be interviewed on the condition that her last name not be used.
"We know we'll never get it back," Maria said of the Social Security payments. "It's unfortunate, but it's a given."

 

[irish_2003]

well you see these illegals do not have free clinics and heath services. if they get very sick or need medical attention. yes they will get help, but then they will also be deported. being illegal in this country also has many downsides as oposed to up. live free or die baby.

not true...they're not deported for going to urgent care or emergency rooms...they're not even reported to ICE...

 

[irish_2003]

You talk like a politician to a T! You completely ignored the whole point of my post, you have elected office in your future.

that's what libtards do...

 

[oufinny]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/04/world/americas/04iht-id.2688618.html?pagewanted=all

Maria, 51, came from Mexico City illegally six years ago and bought a counterfeit green card and Social Security card through a friend for $180. She earns $6.50 an hour, and like most of the seven million working illegal immigrants in the United States, she pays income tax and Social Security tax.

She agreed to be interviewed on the condition that her last name not be used.
"We know we'll never get it back," Maria said of the Social Security payments. "It's unfortunate, but it's a given."

Am I supposed to shed a tear or something here. So she is illegal, has forged identification and social security card, and pays taxes. Well, when she gets free medical care and food stamps, at least she is paying a little to cover her part. These sob stories don't even phase me, why come here in the first place?

 

[oufinny]

not true...they're not deported for going to urgent care or emergency rooms...they're not even reported to ICE...

Yep, come to Houston, 10% of the city would be gone by the end of the year if that was the case. Oh wait, we have a whole hospital that treats patients that can't pay, don't see any INS or ICE vans waiting outside to deport them the last few times I went by.

 

[irish_2003]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/04/world/americas/04iht-id.2688618.html?pagewanted=all

Maria, 51, came from Mexico City illegally six years ago and bought a counterfeit green card and Social Security card through a friend for $180. She earns $6.50 an hour, and like most of the seven million working illegal immigrants in the United States, she pays income tax and Social Security tax.

She agreed to be interviewed on the condition that her last name not be used.
"We know we'll never get it back," Maria said of the Social Security payments. "It's unfortunate, but it's a given."

the enlarged phrase is all i needed to know...she came here illegally...it's like buying lottery tickets with drug money...YOU"RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE PRIZE IF YOU BUY TICKETS WITH MONEY FROM A CRIME!!!

she's doesn't and get shit...doesn't get to pass "GO" and collect...she knew the stakes and played the game and systems...she committed fraud and identity theft on many levels...i don't feel sorry for her...if illegals can afford to send money back to mexico, they can afford to pay and afford to take the steps to become a legal citizen...sometimes that's just waiting the required time and sometimes it's all about money...not my f'n problem...it's pretty bad when mexico doesn't even want mexicans there

 

[NVRBDR]

My wife and I both had our identity stolen at the same time. I can tell you first hand< you're fucked!

making phone calls, the first week, I was on the phone 50+ hours. getting accounts cancelled, getting new cards, etc...
it's a nightmare. Identity theft is no small matter to get under control, and LE usually doesn't want to get involved, because it's so hard to track the criminals down.

If someone steals your identity, they should be financially liable for the damages to you, then your creditors, then locked up. I have zero compassion for her or anyone who commits that crime.

 

[NVRBDR]

yea that's it, not smart enough. I love it when Americans boast about their intelligence, oxymoron ?

oxymoron- "gissurjon's post is the oxymoron of intelligence".

 

[Little Wing]

Am I supposed to shed a tear or something here. So she is illegal, has forged identification and social security card, and pays taxes. Well, when she gets free medical care and food stamps, at least she is paying a little to cover her part. These sob stories don't even phase me, why come here in the first place?

you missed the point entirely. seems like a lot of money adding to the ss system and seems really fucked up the system can't keep better track of ss numbers. match them to names etc. sometimes i think 5th grades could do a better job than the avg government employee.

 

[Little Wing]

My wife and I both had our identity stolen at the same time. I can tell you first hand< you're fucked!

making phone calls, the first week, I was on the phone 50+ hours. getting accounts cancelled, getting new cards, etc...
it's a nightmare. Identity theft is no small matter to get under control, and LE usually doesn't want to get involved, because it's so hard to track the criminals down.

If someone steals your identity, they should be financially liable for the damages to you, then your creditors, then locked up. I have zero compassion for her or anyone who commits that crime.

Social Security mistakenly reports thousands of deaths - Aug. 17, 2011

Of the approximately 2.8 million death reports the Social Security Administration receives per year, about 14,000 -- or one in every 200 deaths -- are incorrectly entered into its Death Master File, which contains the Social Security numbers, names, birth dates, death dates, zip codes and last-known residences of more than 87 million deceased Americans. That averages out to 38 life-altering mistakes a day.

it seems like the ss department just hands them the numbers pretty much and joe legal has no recourse. they say they help you fix it but anyone that has been through this knows that is bullshit.

 

[NVRBDR]

Social Security mistakenly reports thousands of deaths - Aug. 17, 2011

Of the approximately 2.8 million death reports the Social Security Administration receives per year, about 14,000 -- or one in every 200 deaths -- are incorrectly entered into its Death Master File, which contains the Social Security numbers, names, birth dates, death dates, zip codes and last-known residences of more than 87 million deceased Americans. That averages out to 38 life-altering mistakes a day.

it seems like the ss department just hands them the numbers pretty much and joe legal has no recourse. they say they help you fix it but anyone that has been through this knows that is bullshit.

The recourse for Identity theft is sooooooo time consuming. If a person has a job, a location, a supervisor to report to daily, there is no way a person can get it handled and under control, it is a full time job and very much a convoluted process.

 

[Little Wing]

it's we fucked it up but YOU fix it. so bullshit. much like the deficit.

 

[Canucklehead]

the enlarged phrase is all i needed to know...she came here illegally...it's like buying lottery tickets with drug money...YOU"RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE PRIZE IF YOU BUY TICKETS WITH MONEY FROM A CRIME!!!

she's doesn't and get shit...doesn't get to pass "GO" and collect...she knew the stakes and played the game and systems...she committed fraud and identity theft on many levels...i don't feel sorry for her...if illegals can afford to send money back to mexico, they can afford to pay and afford to take the steps to become a legal citizen...sometimes that's just waiting the required time and sometimes it's all about money...not my f'n problem...it's pretty bad when mexico doesn't even want mexicans there

I always lol when Irish people talk shit about immigrants. You are Irish, lmao.