KLEEN MASS with Super-DMZ

[2ndTim417Boy]

Bump the other thread I had going about the 37lb muscle gain bs...im comin this way. Nice thread you have and the pics look great. What do you plan on taking for pct and how long are you doing your cycle? I cant wait to see pics after 4 weeks. This could very well be my next choice.....

 

[workingatit43]

This is sounding like a very good compound.

 

[Kleen]

Bump the other thread I had going about the 37lb muscle gain bs...im comin this way. Nice thread you have and the pics look great. What do you plan on taking for pct and how long are you doing your cycle? I cant wait to see pics after 4 weeks. This could very well be my next choice.....

I have Clomid and Nolva for pct as well as Formadrol, T911, Testopro, T-Force, and TNA, all of those last ones are optional test boosters to run along with the Clomid and Nolva. I will more than likely run Formadrol and T-Force but I have a lot of options available. I think the pics at 4 weeks should be nothing less than spectacular. As long as I keep the mass monster in check I will be fine. If the mass monster makes me eat to gain weight then I will just be BIG when done. However so far I have resisted the urger to splurge and it is paying very nice dividends.

 

[Life]

You think the boys will come back with just nolva and clomid? It was you that had shrunk right?

 

[Kleen]

You think the boys will come back with just nolva and clomid?

Yeah, shouldn't be any problem. That is what a lot of people use without any issue at all. Many just one or the other but I have both on hand.

 

[Kleen]

Day 14... Are you talking to me?!?!?!

Whoah! Alpha Male caught me by surprise last night. I was coming down my street after picking up my daughter. A guy was out kind of in the road using a blower to clean himself off or something. Well he was in between his landscaping trailer and there was another car parked on the other side of the road. It didn't leave me much room but I could get by without a problem and didn't have to blow my horn at him or anything. I slow down to like 3-5 mph to go past him and as I am pulling away I can hear him over my radio and my daughter singing, just yelling and cussing me. Mind you this is on MY street, 4 houses away from my driveway. I was going to just keep driving but I saw him flip me off. I tapped my breaks thinking about goig back there and bitch slapping him and inflating him by shoving the blower up his ass on full tilt. I let off the brakes to start going again and noticed he had already started approaching my car waiving his hands and calling me out. Typically I would have just shaken my head and driven off but A: I was pissed, B: He was approaching me trying to start something and C we were in my neighborhood and he would know where I lived anyway. I decided to tell my daughter to hold on and to watch that dog over there and let me know if it comes my way. IE look the other way Honey I don't want you to see this...

Well He was about 15 feet from my car when I stepped out and told him he needed to calm his ass down. I had my kid in the car. He said something else very agitated and I started to approach him keeping him behind the car out of my daughters line of site. I guess at some point he saw the rest of me as I rounded the car. He quickly started walking backwards with his hands held up like I had a gun on him and telling me "I am sorry man you scared the crap out of me next time honk." I told him I didn't want to scare him by honking when i didn't need to and he needed to cool his jets, and not cuss people out and come at them. I had a kid in the car and wasn't going to have him acting like that on my street. I got back in my car after ending it somewhat amicably but feeling like an idiot for letting it get as far as it did because had he not calmed down I would have just hit him if he still seemed aggressive when I got to him. I don't really do the talking a bunch of sh*t thing. That is how you get punched in the mouth. Anyway I get back in the car and drive the 4 houses down and park noticing half of my neighbors were already outside and had witnessed me about to bitch slap somebodies lawn guy. Lucky most of them know me and several of them have used me as a bouncer for there teen agers parties so seeing me in an "Enforcer role" shouldn't be that much of a surprise to anyone.

Either way I would not have gotten as aggressive as quickly as I did if it weren't for the Super-DMZ. I have been controlling it well but man I am GAME and apparently just need something that FEELS justified to get me ready to play...

 

[Kleen]

I just saw that you had edited the post yeah I have noticed a size difference in my boyz. I do a feel check on them every couple of days. They aren't that small that it is a worry. Just since I have intentionally been checking them I noticed it more quickly than most would as a random occurrence. Of course my libido is up so high I have uhm... Relieved myself more than normal recently... Wife just had a hysterectomy so that is my only option. What a waste of a crazy libido increase. I may have just over milked them... I know TMI....

 

[mystictrunks]

I just saw that you had edited the post yeah I have noticed a size difference in my boyz. I do a feel check on them every couple of days. They aren't that small that it is a worry. Just since I have intentionally been checking them I noticed it more quickly than most would as a random occurrence. Of course my libido is up so high I have uhm... Relieved myself more than normal recently... Wife just had a hysterectomy so that is my only option. What a waste of a crazy libido increase. I may have just over milked them... I know TMI....

Can't you cause some kind of damage doing that?

 

[Kleen]

Can't you cause some kind of damage doing that?

Damage from masturbation? I don't actually BEAT it. Honestly I am not sure what you meant there. If you meant something regarding the wifes situation, I am not doing anything with her, just me and Rosie Palm. I was mentioning her situation to explain why I was having to resort to that. As far as doing testicular checks no you can't do any damage feeling them as long as you aren't squeezing the crap out of them. I am sorry just not sure what you were asking and hope I answered it with one of those.

 

[mystictrunks]

Damage from masturbation? I don't actually BEAT it. Honestly I am not sure what you meant there. If you meant something regarding the wifes situation, I am not doing anything with her, just me and Rosie Palm. I was mentioning her situation to explain why I was having to resort to that. As far as doing testicular checks no you can't do any damage feeling them as long as you aren't squeezing the crap out of them. I am sorry just not sure what you were asking and hope I answered it with one of those.

. I mean masturbating with atrophied balls.

 

[Kleen]

. I mean masturbating with atrophied balls.

Well you get less out of it anyway...

No I am pretty sure as long as they are able to fire they are okay. Hell I would think keeping them producing semen at the least is a good thing. If it hurts to bust a nut then I will know there is a problem. LOL Man I sound like I spend all my time doing it. LOL Just twice in a few days but that is still way more than normal... Now i will have to look it up to see if there is some unknown reason why that may be a problem but I don't see how it could be.

 

[mystictrunks]

Well you get less out of it anyway...

No I am pretty sure as long as they are able to fire they are okay. Hell I would think keeping them producing semen at the least is a good thing. If it hurts to bust a nut then I will know there is a problem. LOL Man I sound like I spend all my time doing it. LOL Just twice in a few days but that is still way more than normal... Now i will have to look it up to see if there is some unknown reason why that may be a problem but I don't see how it could be.

Lol!!! Well knowing semen is made in the balls, if you try to bust a (atrophied) nut and nothing comes out, You will know there is a problem LOL.

 

[Life]

Prostrate, cowpen's glands, fructose, mucus and proteins along with sperm make up semen so that doesn't really rely on your testes. My libido has gone down but thats mostly due to an ADD/Depression pill I take, maybe a little in combination with the DMZ? Then again my girlfriend isn't around to tempt me so meh

As far as the alpha male thing goes. I don't think it makes me more prone to get into an argument. It does however make me more prone to making sure the fucking thing gets finished! though

 

[Kleen]

Day 15 Week 2 review Stats & Power Chest Back and Shoulders

Week 2 Review​

Well so far I am very pleased with Super-DMZ I have all but quit having any issues with sides except the threat of a back pump coming on once or twice however evasive action by changing to less lower back intensive work has been able to control it with the use of taurine. I have noticed I get more tired when I have higher carbs post workout. I lowered them a bit and have leaned out some. I am carbing up today and tomorrow so I expect a 5-10 lb jump in warer and glycogen and I will keep some of it as added mass when a lower intake again on Monday. This back and forth dieting is how I am going to continue to add mass without putting on fat. 4.5 days low intake and 2.5 days high intake. Loosely based off the Ultimate Diet 2.0 with different but similar workout plan.

Recovery and Strength are definitely improving. I had some major improvements in a lot of my lifts with regards to both weight and added reps. Workouts that should have had me limping or not wanting to be touched only left me with minimal DOMS.

Aggression - Once again I will say there is a definite increase in aggression. I am not willing to take shit from anyone. I mean I am controlling it but I have to remind myself that my reaction is out of character for me and get back into my zone. I think it must have actually been a guy on cycle and not SpiderMan's Uncle Ben that first said With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility.

I have continued to lean up while adding a total of 10 lbs in 14 days so I am going to say this is a perfect compound for gaining lean mass without a bunch of water retention. Weight gain stagnated last two days due to extreme low calories but as I said will be up by 5-10 lbs by Monday with Glycogen and water from the carb load. Either way 10 lbs in two weeks while getting leaner I am very happy with this product and would recommend Super-DMZ to anyone who was willing to do what it takes to gain muscle and keep your physique looking Kleen and tight.


Stats
Weight 190 > Wk1 194.5 > Wk2 200 up 10 lbs and much leaner.
Thigh 24.5 > Wk1 24 15/16 > Wk2 25 up 1/2 from beginning
Waist just above navel ??? 33 > Wk1 32 ¾ > Wk2 32 ¾ down ¼ inch from beginning with 10 new lbs!
Arms 15 relaxed, 16 5/8 flexed > Wk1 15 ¼ up 1/4, flexed 16 15/16 > Wk2 15 3/8 flexed 17 up about 5/8 inch from start
Chest 45 7/8 > Wk1 46 3/8 > up ½ inch > Wk2 46 3/4 up almost an inch from beginning.


I decided to make my power workouts into 2 different workouts on the weekend. Chest Back and Shoulders on one, and Legs, Traps and Arms on the next this gives me time for 20 work sets with 2-3 minutes rest. Below is my effort today and I was very happy with it and no pain in the elbows. I was able to use my wraps nice and tight on DB Rows and it made a world of difference.

HS Bench Weights are per side and only weights counted not the 18 lbs added per side from the lever.
115 x 5
135 x 5
145 x 5
160 x 5
165 x 4

DB Rows
100 x 5
110 x 5
120 x 5
130 x 5
140 x 6

Smith Shoulder Press- Only weights counted not bar bar was calibrated to 15 lbs unloaded
140 x 5
160 x 5
170 x 5
180 x 3
160 x 4

Chins
25 x 5
25 x 5
35 x 4
25 x 4

Lol!!! Well knowing semen is made in the balls, if you try to bust a (atrophied) nut and nothing comes out, You will know there is a problem LOL.

LOL

Prostrate, cowpen's glands, fructose, mucus and proteins along with sperm make up semen so that doesn't really rely on your testes. My libido has gone down but thats mostly due to an ADD/Depression pill I take, maybe a little in combination with the DMZ? Then again my girlfriend isn't around to tempt me so meh

As far as the alpha male thing goes. I don't think it makes me more prone to get into an argument. It does however make me more prone to making sure the fucking thing gets finished! though

I know what you mean on the alpha, but I try to keep myself cool. Having the kids and wife to think about now keeps me calmer. Yeah I was thinking most of the semen came from prostate. However sperm production is definitely affected buy AAS.

 

[Kleen]

Day 16 Rest

I didn't workout today would have just been too many days in a row.
So the schedule will be
Pump/ Lactic acid training using GVT
Mon - Chest/Back,
Tues Quads/Hams,
Wed Shoulders/Tris/Bis.
Thurs Cardio>
Power
Friday Chest/Back Witdh/Shoulders, Back Thick,
Saturday Legs/Traps/Triceps/Biceps

Oh by the way I just hopped on the scale for the heck of it and 208 so far and not done carb feeding yet. When I wake up tomorrow cals will be lowered quite a bit and I will begin the depletetion workouts in the form of GVT. If the science behind the diet works as long as I keep my protein high and fat and carbs low the next few days I wont start catabolizing muscle even while burning fat preferentially for energy allowing me to burn fat and build muscle the next couple of days before gong back into a refeed on Friday.

 

[Simply_Michael]

I didn't workout today would have just been too many days in a row.
So the schedule will be
Pump/ Lactic acid training using GVT
Mon - Chest/Back,
Tues Quads/Hams,
Wed Shoulders/Tris/Bis.
Thurs Cardio>
Power
Friday Chest/Back Witdh/Shoulders, Back Thick,
Saturday Legs/Traps/Triceps/Biceps

Oh by the way I just hopped on the scale for the heck of it and 208 so far and not done carb feeding yet. When I wake up tomorrow cals will be lowered quite a bit and I will begin the depletetion workouts in the form of GVT. If the science behind the diet works as long as I keep my protein high and fat and carbs low the next few days I wont start catabolizing muscle even while burning fat preferentially for energy allowing me to burn fat and build muscle the next couple of days before gong back into a refeed on Friday.

just wanna say thanks cause i am learning alot on this log . cause i am doing same thing almost as u . but thanks!

 

[Life]

I didn't workout today would have just been too many days in a row.
So the schedule will be
Pump/ Lactic acid training using GVT
Mon - Chest/Back,
Tues Quads/Hams,
Wed Shoulders/Tris/Bis.
Thurs Cardio>
Power
Friday Chest/Back Witdh/Shoulders, Back Thick,
Saturday Legs/Traps/Triceps/Biceps

Oh by the way I just hopped on the scale for the heck of it and 208 so far and not done carb feeding yet. When I wake up tomorrow cals will be lowered quite a bit and I will begin the depletetion workouts in the form of GVT. If the science behind the diet works as long as I keep my protein high and fat and carbs low the next few days I wont start catabolizing muscle even while burning fat preferentially for energy allowing me to burn fat and build muscle the next couple of days before gong back into a refeed on Friday.

I'm curious as to whether or not you'll burn some. Normally I'd say you burn some regardless of your protein/fat intake but on this DMZ shit, who knows. Do you normally workout fasted? If not consider trying it as your body will already be in "fat = energy" mode as opposed to "whatever the fuck I can get = energy" mode. You should find that you've got more energy during the workout and you'll adjust to the low carbs quicker (Following the refeed days). Thats been my experience at least.

 

[Kleen]

Day 17 Chest and Back

Today was a great day as far as my workout went. Huge increases in overall volume and up weight on all lifts.
HS Decline 80lbs
10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10 = 100 reps 8000 lbs volume

HS NG Rows 70lbs
10,10,10,10,10,10,8,10,9,6 = 93 reps and 6510 lbs volume

Incline Push Up 208
10,8,9 = 27 reps 5616 lbs volume
DB Pull Over 55 lbs
10,10,10 = 30 reps 1650 lbs volume


Now here is the workout from last week for a comparison
A1 - Chest - HS Decline Press - 70 lbs weight
10,10,10,10,10,9,9,8,9,8 Reps 93, Volume 6510 lbs > this week weight 80, 100 Reps, Volume 8000 lbs
A2 - Back - HS Rows Neutral Grip - 60 lbs
10,10,10,10,9,9,8,9,8,7 Reps 90, Volume 5400 > this week 70 lbs, 93 reps, and 6510 volume

B1 - Chest - Incline DB Flyes 30 lbs
10,10,7 Reps 27, Volume 810
B2 - Back - DB Pullovers 50 Lbs
10,10,8 Reps 28, Volume 1400 >this week 55 lbs, 30 reps, 1650 lbs volume


In comparing them there is no denying a definite and obvious strength increase. I went up both in weight but also reps on each exercise. I woke up tis morning did the morning download then weighed myself still sitting at a whopping 208 lbs this morning. I spilled over a bit this weekend but abs are still visible and now the caloric deficit will burn the fat before my body notices I am not over feeding it any longer. I am guessing I will stabilize around 203-205 or so by this weekend before starting to load again.

just wanna say thanks cause i am learning alot on this log . cause i am doing same thing almost as u . but thanks!

Hey man happy your are here.

I'm curious as to whether or not you'll burn some. Normally I'd say you burn some regardless of your protein/fat intake but on this DMZ shit, who knows. Do you normally workout fasted? If not consider trying it as your body will already be in "fat = energy" mode as opposed to "whatever the fuck I can get = energy" mode. You should find that you've got more energy during the workout and you'll adjust to the low carbs quicker (Following the refeed days). Thats been my experience at least.

You mean burn some muscle? I don't think so. I have my diet down pretty well. My body is already programmed to run on fat when I am in chill mode so I only tap into the carbs in my muscle for workouts. I am not dipping calories as low as recommended in his diet due to the DMZ. I am also not going as high calorie on the weekends as suggested in the diet. Now I will lose some muscle volume but not true sarcoplasmic thickness. I don't worry about muscle volume, that is just water and glycogen and can be adjusted in a day or two to increase or decrease size once you understand your body. That is why I am typically pretty depleted by my weekend weigh ins. However being that with this new program I will be doing a carb load on Friday and Saturday I will weigh in on Friday morning before the beginning and then again Monday morning to show the differnce the glycogen makes. I put on 8 lbs this weekend in water and glycogen and I look huge!
As far as fasted training, I do almost all of my workouts fasted. Have for a few years now. I love it now that I am used to it. I workout at 4:30 in the morning and getting up earlier than that just to eat is not going to happen.

 

[Kleen]

Here is a pic post carb load

I was really curious to see what kind of damage the full blown carb weekend did. So I decided to take pics and see. Here is the outcome and may I say it is nothing short of surprising to me. I figured I would look softer. I definitely have a little more water but not anything bad at all.
View attachment 28043

 

[Life]

lol looking good man nice mug shots

 

[Kleen]

Day 18 Holy Back Pump Bat Man!

Okay I have to say that today I had a beast of a back pump. I took 7 grams of Taurine before bed and another 7 upon waking. I knew leg day would be hard to get through without it since this workout can inflame the back anyway even without this stuff. Well I only got through 2 sets of Romanians before the pump kicked in, and good. I tried to move over to Leg Curls but the 9 volt battery had already been applied to my lower spine... BZZZZTTTTT, BZZZZTTTT!!!! I pushed through for 4 more sets of hamstring curls but the pump became overbearing in that position. I started my 7th set of Leg press and man it was rough, the getting up in between the exercises had my back going nuts. I did a good 5 reps on set 7 and was like screw this, I am done... Then no sooner than I took my legs off the sled and THOUGHT about getting up that warrior came back out in me. "Don't be a BITCH, Be a BERZERKER!" resonated through my body and mind. I put my feet back up and told myself not only was I going to finish what I could make myself but I was going to start the set over. So I ended up with 15 reps on that set. I could not really get up and walk around as standing applied pressure to the area making it more uncomfortable. Staying seated kept me able to focus more and even though it definitely shortened my rest periods I was able to will myself through the last few sets to complete my 10. I attempted to do some leg extensions but A: my legs were toast, and B the back pump was set in deep and the angle of the machine made it pinch and twinge.

Due to this I am going to give a shot to doing this starting with leg curls instead of Romanians on my next leg day. I am also going to take my plans for doing Rack Deads out of my power day and just go with heavy shrugs for traps. That way the only thing pushing my lower back on heavy day will be squats and that will be my last exercise.

I lost a good bit of water already and am watching my intake it is very easy to get exicited about seeing the scale go up but I definitely want to be leaner at the end of this run as well. So far I am very pleased with the size I have gotten out of this and am ready to fine tune the cuts more.

Oh yes I notice something last night that was interesting too me. Even thugh it had been a week since working my legs, they were so full last night when i flexed them the separation I always have was barely there, they were just unrealistically full. Honestly they felt so full they felt like they were pumped and this was prior to any training. I really feel like my legs are getting A LOT out of this run which is great.

Now for the workout.

Leg Press 380 not including sled
10,10,10,10,10,10,15,10,10,10 this was a 40 lb increase over last week and I got 5 extra reps. Going up again next week.

Romanian Deads 135
10,10 back pump hit changed to Leg Curls.
Leg Curls 95
10,10,10,10 back pump was just too much to keep walking around chose to just finish my leg presses. Will start with Leg Curls next time and see if we can cut off the Back Pump by avoiding the Romanians.

I was doing something in getting ready in front of the mirror earlier and the way my biceps were popping up and down caught my eye. My biceps are noticeably bigger. I can't wait to see what I look like around 6%, I honestly don't see me getting below 7.5-8 on this run but I could be wrong. Volume is up on this meaning my cardio is lagging a bit but will increase during PCT when I go back to a 3 day a week lifting schedule. However if not just dumping rain I intend to go for my walk at lunch today anyway even if raining. So long as not storming. I may also add in cardio on the elliptical tonight if I can't get out for my walk.

Sleep was not good last night. I just had a hard time sleeping and found myself very restless. I maybe got 2.5-3 hours of sleep. That is going tomake for a very tired low carb day today...

lol looking good man nice mug shots

I don't exactly look like a happy go lucky fella there do I? LOL

 

[workingatit43]

Sorry Kleen been without internet and phone for 5 days because a line was down and phone company took 5 days to attach it back to the house. Those back pumps suk. Keep taking the taurine maybe some bananas and increase water intake even more than you are currently. Your pics in this thread look awesome bro great work

 

[Kleen]

Day 19 cardio done weights tonight.

I just got back from doing my walk/cardio. I changed my path this time to walking where I know more hills are and then turning around at the end of the hills doubling back to the start, and then back through the hills again that way I increase the resistance. I had a little bit of burning sensation in the calves by the end of it. I am not sure if that was a pump trying to come on or just from my legs and calves being tired. Either way I have an azzload of taurine so I am going to start taking 10 grams a day 5 at night and 5 when I wake. No need to allow it to become an issue when I have the support supps on hand. I am also going to start to supplement potassium as well, or have a banana post workout.

On another note my legs are so full right now. I was feeling the muscle in them yesterday and it is dense and hard even relaxed. I haven't weighed in since Monday and I am itching to do so but will wait for Friday before I begin to carb up. I am going to work out tonight but will more than likely not do the entire 8 sets on each for shoulders and arms. I will more likely hit about 5 sets per exercise since I will only have a day and a half to recover instead of 2 days before my next workout and it will be a heavy one so I need to be recovered. Main focus tonight will be shoulders getting probably 8-10 sets then maybe 5 sets on triceps and 5 sets on biceps, slightly more weight just to make sure I tax them good but not too much that way fully recovered for Friday morning when I blast them.

Sorry Kleen been without internet and phone for 5 days because a line was down and phone company took 5 days to attach it back to the house. Those back pumps suk. Keep taking the taurine maybe some bananas and increase water intake even more than you are currently. Your pics in this thread look awesome bro great work

I agree I think I let my water intake dip unintentionally on Monday and I know I only got in a little over a gallon yesterday... UGH! My fault there. Got distracted and just forgot to force myself to drink even when not thirsty. When trying to drink over a gallon a day it takes attention to do so and not depending on a thirst, when trying to get close to 2 gallons a day you have to be militant about it. I also had a stomach bug, or ate something bad that made ingesting much of anything well undesirable. Felt like nothing was going past my stomach, it would hit there and just sit. It all came out yesterday though.... Thanks for the reminder on the water intake though, and yeah I am upping my taurine intake as well as potassium.

 

[mystictrunks]

I just got back from doing my walk/cardio. I changed my path this time to walking where I know more hills are and then turning around at the end of the hills doubling back to the start, and then back through the hills again that way I increase the resistance. I had a little bit of burning sensation in the calves by the end of it. I am not sure if that was a pump trying to come on or just from my legs and calves being tired.

Believe it or not I actually got an insane pump in my calves the other day just walking from my car to class which is only about 2 blocks. By the time I got there I could barely walk. It was ridiculous.

 

[IronPotato]

unreal results bro! seriously,my mind is blown.Obviously it is all due to your hard work,however w the help of the dmz it's crazy! you are more into your run then mine,however Im liking it a lot!


slight lethargy nothing crazy though.

 

[Kleen]

Believe it or not I actually got an insane pump in my calves the other day just walking from my car to class which is only about 2 blocks. By the time I got there I could barely walk. It was ridiculous.

I had it bad like that with my epistane and furazadrol run. I couldn't walk anywhere, no cardio at all, ended up not being able to do anything with my legs due to back pumps which was finally why I had to quit. I was doing everything by the book too. High water intake all the support supps. This compound is treating my MUCH better. Even the back pump from yesterday morning was very minor, a little grimacing in pain but could work through it. The first time it was unbearable though. I could not work through it then, it brought tears to my eyes. It was the kind of pain that makes you angry because there is nothing else you can do about it. Nothing like that this time. It still sucked mind you but not what I was dealing with before that made me quit my original cycle. The calve thing today wasn't too bad considering I did 3 miles of walking up and down hills and didn't drink enough water yesterday.

 

[Kleen]

unreal results bro! seriously,my mind is blown.Obviously it is all due to your hard work,however w the help of the dmz it's crazy! you are more into your run then mine,however Im liking it a lot!


slight lethargy nothing crazy though.

Thanks man! Yeah day 19, those last pics were after major carb load and I was depleted when I started this run but at that point I was up 18 lbs. I will say a good bit of that weight was glycogen but I did weigh in depleted before the carb load and was 200 so a guaranteed 10 lbs of muscle there and that was at 14 days.

 

[workingatit43]

I just got back from doing my walk/cardio. I changed my path this time to walking where I know more hills are and then turning around at the end of the hills doubling back to the start, and then back through the hills again that way I increase the resistance. I had a little bit of burning sensation in the calves by the end of it. I am not sure if that was a pump trying to come on or just from my legs and calves being tired. Either way I have an azzload of taurine so I am going to start taking 10 grams a day 5 at night and 5 when I wake. No need to allow it to become an issue when I have the support supps on hand. I am also going to start to supplement potassium as well, or have a banana post workout.

On another note my legs are so full right now. I was feeling the muscle in them yesterday and it is dense and hard even relaxed. I haven't weighed in since Monday and I am itching to do so but will wait for Friday before I begin to carb up. I am going to work out tonight but will more than likely not do the entire 8 sets on each for shoulders and arms. I will more likely hit about 5 sets per exercise since I will only have a day and a half to recover instead of 2 days before my next workout and it will be a heavy one so I need to be recovered. Main focus tonight will be shoulders getting probably 8-10 sets then maybe 5 sets on triceps and 5 sets on biceps, slightly more weight just to make sure I tax them good but not too much that way fully recovered for Friday morning when I blast them.



I agree I think I let my water intake dip unintentionally on Monday and I know I only got in a little over a gallon yesterday... UGH! My fault there. Got distracted and just forgot to force myself to drink even when not thirsty. When trying to drink over a gallon a day it takes attention to do so and not depending on a thirst, when trying to get close to 2 gallons a day you have to be militant about it. I also had a stomach bug, or ate something bad that made ingesting much of anything well undesirable. Felt like nothing was going past my stomach, it would hit there and just sit. It all came out yesterday though.... Thanks for the reminder on the water intake though, and yeah I am upping my taurine intake as well as potassium.

Yeah I try to get 1.5 gallons a day and it is a chore at times to do so.

 

[Kleen]

Day 19 Shoulders N Arms, Day 20 cardio

Cybex Shoulder Press Neutral Grip- 140x15, 140x15, 170x18 5 wide grip then switched back to neutral did 13, 170x10 = Volume 8960 lbs
DB Shoulder Press - 45x14, 45x10, 45x10 = Volume 1530
DB Uprights 40x15, 45x15, 45x13 = Volume 1725

HS Preacher Curls - 45x15, 90x9,70x9,45x10 = Volume 2565
Dips BW =202 or more, BWx25, +45x15, +45x10, BWx15 = Volume 14255

Day 20 Cardio Elliptical 505 calories.

Sides, not too bad but I have chosen to increase my milk thistle dose as a preventative measure. This morning I weighed in depleted and was 203.5 and am leaner. I took the day off to hang with the wife and decided to go ahead and carb up a little early and may just stop Sunday morning instead of Sunday night. I might take a picture of myself tomorrow to show mid carb up and then Sunday to see where I am at at my peak glycogen concentration. Sorry to be short but today is my wife???s day as she has said, and I am giving her my attention. You all have a great evening.

Yeah I try to get 1.5 gallons a day and it is a chore at times to do so.

Yeah that is my goal and had been pretty good hitting it. I am back on it now.

 

[Kleen]

Day 21 Power Chest, Back and Shoulders

Well today I had to work Chest, Back Thickness, Shoulders and Back Width. I kind of tweaked my shoulder doing something this week or the heavy rows last weekend. Not sure but I decided to still go heavier than earlier in the week but also to keep the 4-0-2 tempo just lower reps to 5 and do 5x5 for each exercise. Letting the slow tempo limit my weights for me. I made it through the workout with out too much issue. The rows got me a little so I am thinking that is what tweaked my shoulder. Depending on how things feel this weeks is if I will try another heavy attempt next week or stick with this method. No injuring myself is most important here I have put on a lot of muscle and losing it by getting injured in the end is not an option.


4-0-2 tempo
HS Upright Bench - 70x5, 90x5, 115x5, 120x5, 120x3 tempo made this feel nice and heavy. On top of that this upright one is a lot harder than the HS Horizontal press. I guess you can use more of your body like a regular bench on the horizontal.
HS Rows 1 arm at a time - 70x5, 90x5, 100x5, 105x5, 105x5 - I felt these in my shoulder it is on that back side. I will have to watch this and maybe not go to crazy next week we will see if still hurting at all.
HS Shoulder Press - Machine version.. 90x5, 110x5, 120x5, 130x5, 140x3 - I just kept moving up the weights were not quite accurate in my opinion so I just recorded them anyway and will use it again next week so I have a good comparison.
Neutral Grip Lat Pull downs - 110x5, 150x5, 170x5, 190x5, 210x5 Even though my shoulder would tweak as i reached up to grab the handles it was not causing any pain when pulling so I just kept moving up the ladder. I barely got that last set completed.

I did not weigh in or take pics today but I am easily up around 208 again. I expect to be 210-212 when done with this carb load. I am trying to decided if I want to have an extra day at maintenence for more size or just cut back down a day early and have one more day of dieting before the end of the run. I think I may go with a maintenance calorie day Sunday to with 200-250 grams carbs just to help with extra recovery. We are rounding up on the end of this run before we know it. I have noticed some increased sides recently, nothing bad but blood pressure has elevated to 136/83 not too bad but still not as good as normal. I am watching my eyes for color changes they don't seem as bright white but not yellow so I am not sure if there is anything going on there or not but it is why I decided to increase my support supps, and specifically liver supps. SO I started adding an extra 500 mg of Milk thistle and I am also adding in more prostate support. My prostate is a little enlarged I think, reason I say that is I have had the old man peeing a few times. You know slower to start longer to stop. Nothing crazy but when paying attention it is enough to take note of. I am watching everything extremely close and may or may not be being over cautious but it is my health I am taking care of here so might as well be vigilant.