Pumps are not as bad I take it?
-
Hello, this board in now turned off and no new posting.
Please REGISTER at Anabolic Steroid Forums, and become a member of our NEW community!
-
Check Out IronMag Labs® KSM-66 Max - Recovery and Anabolic Growth Complex
KLEEN MASS with Super-DMZ
- Thread starter Kleen
- Start date
Kleen
Board Rep
Week 3 Review - Power - Traps, Triceps, Biceps, Quads
Alright I don’t have too much time but am going to do my best on a review and then post up my workout.
Muscle Building - Super-DMZ has really surprised me here, I am only eating for bulk 3 days a week and dieting the fat off the other 4 and I have put on a lot of muscle. As of right now in my carb up I am 210, and I am continuing on through tomorrow just not as intensely. I want to get a whole 4 days higher cals in which is why still going through tomorrow. Then I will burn it down and see where I am on the end of the run. I was 203.5 before starting my carb up and looking rather lean that was 13.5 lbs gained by day 19 in a depleted state, and much leaner than in the beginning. If new to the log I really only count my depleted weight as muscle gain since I was depleted the day I started that is the only way to get an accurate comparison. Which is why you don’t see me stating I have put on 20 lbs even though I am currently 20 lbs heavier than the day I started. I have been packing on the muscle during the weekends refeeds so I think I can probably expect another 3-4 lbs out of this week If I can pull off 205 and looking as lean as I was Thursday Morning I will be ecstatic.
Recovery - This has been stellar, DOMS have been just in teasing doses when I thought for sure they would be at there worst.
Strength - Strength from the beginning is just going up, up, up. I have seen a lot of strength in all lifts.
Sides - Going into this I knew it was harsh and have been taking the precautions needed with the product. However I have still experienced mild sides and some back pumps. Slightly elevated blood pressure in the presence of BP support supps. I am not saying this to shed a negative light but a realistic light on what you can expect the further you get into this. I have also noticed I am not having as many movements recently. A little dry down there, and this has caused some indigestion issues but I don’t know if this is related to the product or something else. Just worth mentioning. Another thing I have noticed is my joints are dryer due to the lack of estrogen. I would recommend upping the dose of support supps starting in the 3rd week since I noticed a slight discoloration of the eye that subsided with increasing my dose of milk thistle by 500 mg a day and taking the 3rd BP supp a day as was recommended on the bottle.
BW 190 – Have been carb depleting for over a week and lost 5 lbs of water and glycogen....
Thigh 24.5
Waist just above navel – 33
Arms 15 relaxed, 16 5/8 flexed
Chest 45 7/8
Body Weight 206.5
Thigh 25 3/8 up almost an inch!
Waist just above navel - 33 1/3 1/3 inch increase - not to bad for being up 16.5 lbs from first measurement.
Arms relaxed 15 3/4 up 3/4 inch, Flexed 17 3/8 up 3/4 inch Nice!!!!
Chest 47.5 up 1.5 inches - I have been working on lower lats and lower chest as a focus and you can see it is really working the combination of growth there has added the most all together. However it is where a good bit of the size came on. The underside of my chest is much thicker from the declines.
Okay the workout, I was trying to keep from going too heavy so I did a 3-0-1 tempo with the 5x5 scheme. My shoulder is a little upset with me now so I am gonna have to watch it.
Tempo 3-0-1
Flite Shrug machine - 55x5, 70x5, 80x5, 85x5, 87.5x5, weight is per side, this machine is awesome it is like doing cable shrugs but on something similar to a hammer strength machine. However the angle of the weight makes it feel so much heavier than what you have on the bar and it pulls apart as it goes down so you are fighting laterally as well as horizontally. Awesome machine. At this tempo my grip failed on the last set on rep 4 but I immediately re-gripped and got number 5.
Close Grip Bench - 135x5, 185x5, 205x5, 225x5, 235x5 these felt great but a small tweak in the shoulder a few times. Will ice it tonight.
Oly Curls - 95x5, 95x5, 95x5, 85x5, 65x5 as you can tell my biceps were toast the negatives always kick the crap out of them.
Squats - 135x5, 225x5, 315x5, 315x5, 325x5 Close stance squats heals about 10-12 inches apart below parallel. These were work, that slow tempo at that weight was punishment. I also had to shake off a back pump that tried to sneak up but I kept the bulk of it at bay and then did abs in the sauna, 150 crunches 50 with knees up 50 legs straight out with pelvis curled up, and 50 with them splayed out like frog legs.
Alright I don’t have too much time but am going to do my best on a review and then post up my workout.
Week 3 Review
Alpha Male / Aggression - I have definitely noticed an increased aggression and alpha male feeling. Nothing out of control just quicker trigger. Simple just choose not to pull it at all, but still hard at times.Muscle Building - Super-DMZ has really surprised me here, I am only eating for bulk 3 days a week and dieting the fat off the other 4 and I have put on a lot of muscle. As of right now in my carb up I am 210, and I am continuing on through tomorrow just not as intensely. I want to get a whole 4 days higher cals in which is why still going through tomorrow. Then I will burn it down and see where I am on the end of the run. I was 203.5 before starting my carb up and looking rather lean that was 13.5 lbs gained by day 19 in a depleted state, and much leaner than in the beginning. If new to the log I really only count my depleted weight as muscle gain since I was depleted the day I started that is the only way to get an accurate comparison. Which is why you don’t see me stating I have put on 20 lbs even though I am currently 20 lbs heavier than the day I started. I have been packing on the muscle during the weekends refeeds so I think I can probably expect another 3-4 lbs out of this week If I can pull off 205 and looking as lean as I was Thursday Morning I will be ecstatic.
Recovery - This has been stellar, DOMS have been just in teasing doses when I thought for sure they would be at there worst.
Strength - Strength from the beginning is just going up, up, up. I have seen a lot of strength in all lifts.
Sides - Going into this I knew it was harsh and have been taking the precautions needed with the product. However I have still experienced mild sides and some back pumps. Slightly elevated blood pressure in the presence of BP support supps. I am not saying this to shed a negative light but a realistic light on what you can expect the further you get into this. I have also noticed I am not having as many movements recently. A little dry down there, and this has caused some indigestion issues but I don’t know if this is related to the product or something else. Just worth mentioning. Another thing I have noticed is my joints are dryer due to the lack of estrogen. I would recommend upping the dose of support supps starting in the 3rd week since I noticed a slight discoloration of the eye that subsided with increasing my dose of milk thistle by 500 mg a day and taking the 3rd BP supp a day as was recommended on the bottle.
Beginning Stats
My beginning Stats as of 8-21-10BW 190 – Have been carb depleting for over a week and lost 5 lbs of water and glycogen....
Thigh 24.5
Waist just above navel – 33
Arms 15 relaxed, 16 5/8 flexed
Chest 45 7/8
Current Stats
As of this morning 9-11-10 I was 206.5 lbs after waking. Had stomach issues and carb load was not as aggressive picked up the pace today. 210 at time of typing this. The measurements were taken this morning at 206.5Body Weight 206.5
Thigh 25 3/8 up almost an inch!
Waist just above navel - 33 1/3 1/3 inch increase - not to bad for being up 16.5 lbs from first measurement.
Arms relaxed 15 3/4 up 3/4 inch, Flexed 17 3/8 up 3/4 inch Nice!!!!
Chest 47.5 up 1.5 inches - I have been working on lower lats and lower chest as a focus and you can see it is really working the combination of growth there has added the most all together. However it is where a good bit of the size came on. The underside of my chest is much thicker from the declines.
Okay the workout, I was trying to keep from going too heavy so I did a 3-0-1 tempo with the 5x5 scheme. My shoulder is a little upset with me now so I am gonna have to watch it.
Tempo 3-0-1
Flite Shrug machine - 55x5, 70x5, 80x5, 85x5, 87.5x5, weight is per side, this machine is awesome it is like doing cable shrugs but on something similar to a hammer strength machine. However the angle of the weight makes it feel so much heavier than what you have on the bar and it pulls apart as it goes down so you are fighting laterally as well as horizontally. Awesome machine. At this tempo my grip failed on the last set on rep 4 but I immediately re-gripped and got number 5.
Close Grip Bench - 135x5, 185x5, 205x5, 225x5, 235x5 these felt great but a small tweak in the shoulder a few times. Will ice it tonight.
Oly Curls - 95x5, 95x5, 95x5, 85x5, 65x5 as you can tell my biceps were toast the negatives always kick the crap out of them.
Squats - 135x5, 225x5, 315x5, 315x5, 325x5 Close stance squats heals about 10-12 inches apart below parallel. These were work, that slow tempo at that weight was punishment. I also had to shake off a back pump that tried to sneak up but I kept the bulk of it at bay and then did abs in the sauna, 150 crunches 50 with knees up 50 legs straight out with pelvis curled up, and 50 with them splayed out like frog legs.
maniac0614
Registered
Damn Dude your a Beast!!!
Kleen
Board Rep
Day 24 I think I have extra pills....
I think I have some extra pills. I counted them and I had like 20 left yesterday and that was the end of day 23. I know I started at 1 pill but that was only for 1 day as far as I remember and I am relatively sure I did not skip any days so I will consider myself lucky. I am trying to decided if I should just increase dose on a few workout days or just take for an extra day or two. I will probably just take for an extra day or two.
I had a great workout this morning but my shoulder needed my attention so I lowered volume slightly and added in a few angles to alleviate some of the stress on the shoulder. Not the typical GVT but I kept the tempos and just changes the exercises once it was obvious that I needed to to keep my shoulder from becoming aggravated.
HS Decline Bench - 90x10,10,10,10,10,10
HS Rows - 80x10,10,10,10 shoulder started in 45x10, 45x10
HS Incline Press 75x10, 75x10, 85x10, 85x10
HS High Row - 60x10, 70x10, 80x10, 80x10
I decided I didn't really need to do too much else just take it easy on the shoulder. I had a great pump and had put in a lot of effort already. Tomorrow I am going to hit legs and am contemplating just doing cardio Wed, and Thursday saving myself for Friday and Saturdays heavier lifts. I don't think it would hurt my shoulders nor arms to do without that one workout. I may just do some quick pump work and then do cardio on Wednesday, we shall see.
On a bulking note. I did the extra day of bulking and ended up weighing in at 212 this morning before eating or drinking anything. I was definitely a little spilled over and now it is time for the Kleen up. I am hoping that I can clean all of this up and see some gains from the extra day in caloric surplus when done.
I think I have some extra pills. I counted them and I had like 20 left yesterday and that was the end of day 23. I know I started at 1 pill but that was only for 1 day as far as I remember and I am relatively sure I did not skip any days so I will consider myself lucky. I am trying to decided if I should just increase dose on a few workout days or just take for an extra day or two. I will probably just take for an extra day or two.
I had a great workout this morning but my shoulder needed my attention so I lowered volume slightly and added in a few angles to alleviate some of the stress on the shoulder. Not the typical GVT but I kept the tempos and just changes the exercises once it was obvious that I needed to to keep my shoulder from becoming aggravated.
HS Decline Bench - 90x10,10,10,10,10,10
HS Rows - 80x10,10,10,10 shoulder started in 45x10, 45x10
HS Incline Press 75x10, 75x10, 85x10, 85x10
HS High Row - 60x10, 70x10, 80x10, 80x10
I decided I didn't really need to do too much else just take it easy on the shoulder. I had a great pump and had put in a lot of effort already. Tomorrow I am going to hit legs and am contemplating just doing cardio Wed, and Thursday saving myself for Friday and Saturdays heavier lifts. I don't think it would hurt my shoulders nor arms to do without that one workout. I may just do some quick pump work and then do cardio on Wednesday, we shall see.
On a bulking note. I did the extra day of bulking and ended up weighing in at 212 this morning before eating or drinking anything. I was definitely a little spilled over and now it is time for the Kleen up. I am hoping that I can clean all of this up and see some gains from the extra day in caloric surplus when done.
Thanks Man I am giving it hell!
Better to have too many than be short.
Kleen
Board Rep
Day 25 Leg Day
I had a beast of a workout this morning. I have lowered volume on a few things this week just because my body asked me to and I am listening. We are finishing up here this week and my body is over all the volume I have been throwing at it. I can not wait for some lower volume higher intensity lifting. Next week Chris... next week!
Leg Press - 405 weights only feet low on platform, IE... heels at bottom, legs going WAY beyond 90 degrees at bottome of movement. As a matter of fact I hit 90 degrees at about 1/2 -2/3 of the way down. Very quad intensive.
10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 - Set 1-5 alternated with Leg Curls, Set 6-9 alternated w/ Leg Extensions- Holy crap man! I will say it was only sheer determination and speeding up some of the reps that got me through this at 10 reps all the way until the end. By the end of the 3rd set my quads were burning a little bit. Once I started Leg Extensions the leg press got A LOT harder and about the 8th set I dropped about a second off of the negative portion only doing about 3 second negatives, and exploding out of the bottom. I also had to rest pause a little to get to 10 reps on sets 7-10. I never put the weight down but held at a lock out for a feww seconds then pushed once more, repeat through the end of the set. I had to laugh there were times i was audibly grunting, once a yell, and I even think there was a time or two that I may have whimpered in the middle of my set trying to get the job done while trying not to yell at the same time. By the way for a point of reference this was 25 lbs heavier than last weeks entry, and 40500 total lbs volume compared to 39900 last week.
Leg Curls 85x10 5 sets. These got pretty rough, I had to change over on set 3 to a different machine as someone hopped on the one I was using while I did leg press. The new machine was actually better and 85 felt heavier. I barely got to 10 on set 3-5 and once again did some rest pausing to get that.
Leg Extensions 130x5>90x6, 90x8, 70x6, 50x8 I over estimated what I had in the tank on the 130 and got 5 then immediately dropped to 90 and got 6. From that point on I failed to get my 10 reps. I just could not do it even with the rest pausing. Doing these super set style with the Leg press was just fuggin beastly!!! On top of that it made the leg press so much harder.
Strength is still improving and I am as big as a house. However I am getting the Pumps in this final week. I got one at the end of my workout today, I was finishing up but it was a good one. I just went into the sauna and set with my feet up for a few minutes and it went away. Yesterday during my lunch walk. I started getting some calve cramps oh about 1/3 mile into my 3 mile walk. They gradually got worse with every step. To the point on SEVERAL occasions I thought to myself I would really be wise to turn back now since this is getting worse. I was at about 1/2 mile when the thoughts of turning back started. Some reason I just kept moving forward like a drone with no other reason in life but to complete my walk. Although once I hit the point of no return, and started walking back it was no longer a decision but something I HAD to do to get back to the office. I gotta tell you i thought about emailing the boss and telling him I would be back from lunch a bit late so I could stop and let them calm down a bit. The pump was more in my tibial muscle than in my calve. The muscle in front that is used to flex the foot upwards, and it was getting pretty damn horrible. I realized at a few points I was biting down on my cheeks inside my mouth to distract myself from my calves. I will say that is one of those tests you put yourself through knowing it is gonna get worse than you bargained for and there is nothing you can do about it. I will be going out to see if I can deal with it again today... Hopefully the extra taurine and potassium will keep it at bay. I was working at flushing water so electrolytes were probably off from the jump. Either way this is the last week and I have to get this last bulk session off of me for my final pics so I can see what I have truly gained in a depleted state. So not doing cardio to avoid pumps is just not an option at this point. I have to remeber during the pain. I CHOSE THIS, NOW SUCK IT UP AND DO THE DAMN THANG!!!
Speaking of PCT and Sides... As much as I gained off of the 1st and second week and where my testes were at the end of week 2 I think this would be a great product to run for 2 week stints. You get some good size out of it but the balls are not totally shut down at that point. An abrupt PCT and a good booster like maybe TCF-1 could put you right back to normal in 2 weeks. Then you could wait a month and repeat. Seems there would be less trouble with sides this way. Also spreading your gains out so as to not be so obvious to others.
Okay, I just got back from my walk and I did not get the same pumps I got yesterday. I took extra taurine, and potassium today after my lift and it seemed to replenish me enough to make it through my cardio at lunch.
I had a beast of a workout this morning. I have lowered volume on a few things this week just because my body asked me to and I am listening. We are finishing up here this week and my body is over all the volume I have been throwing at it. I can not wait for some lower volume higher intensity lifting. Next week Chris... next week!
Leg Press - 405 weights only feet low on platform, IE... heels at bottom, legs going WAY beyond 90 degrees at bottome of movement. As a matter of fact I hit 90 degrees at about 1/2 -2/3 of the way down. Very quad intensive.
10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 - Set 1-5 alternated with Leg Curls, Set 6-9 alternated w/ Leg Extensions- Holy crap man! I will say it was only sheer determination and speeding up some of the reps that got me through this at 10 reps all the way until the end. By the end of the 3rd set my quads were burning a little bit. Once I started Leg Extensions the leg press got A LOT harder and about the 8th set I dropped about a second off of the negative portion only doing about 3 second negatives, and exploding out of the bottom. I also had to rest pause a little to get to 10 reps on sets 7-10. I never put the weight down but held at a lock out for a feww seconds then pushed once more, repeat through the end of the set. I had to laugh there were times i was audibly grunting, once a yell, and I even think there was a time or two that I may have whimpered in the middle of my set trying to get the job done while trying not to yell at the same time. By the way for a point of reference this was 25 lbs heavier than last weeks entry, and 40500 total lbs volume compared to 39900 last week.
Leg Curls 85x10 5 sets. These got pretty rough, I had to change over on set 3 to a different machine as someone hopped on the one I was using while I did leg press. The new machine was actually better and 85 felt heavier. I barely got to 10 on set 3-5 and once again did some rest pausing to get that.
Leg Extensions 130x5>90x6, 90x8, 70x6, 50x8 I over estimated what I had in the tank on the 130 and got 5 then immediately dropped to 90 and got 6. From that point on I failed to get my 10 reps. I just could not do it even with the rest pausing. Doing these super set style with the Leg press was just fuggin beastly!!! On top of that it made the leg press so much harder.
Strength is still improving and I am as big as a house. However I am getting the Pumps in this final week. I got one at the end of my workout today, I was finishing up but it was a good one. I just went into the sauna and set with my feet up for a few minutes and it went away. Yesterday during my lunch walk. I started getting some calve cramps oh about 1/3 mile into my 3 mile walk. They gradually got worse with every step. To the point on SEVERAL occasions I thought to myself I would really be wise to turn back now since this is getting worse. I was at about 1/2 mile when the thoughts of turning back started. Some reason I just kept moving forward like a drone with no other reason in life but to complete my walk. Although once I hit the point of no return, and started walking back it was no longer a decision but something I HAD to do to get back to the office. I gotta tell you i thought about emailing the boss and telling him I would be back from lunch a bit late so I could stop and let them calm down a bit. The pump was more in my tibial muscle than in my calve. The muscle in front that is used to flex the foot upwards, and it was getting pretty damn horrible. I realized at a few points I was biting down on my cheeks inside my mouth to distract myself from my calves. I will say that is one of those tests you put yourself through knowing it is gonna get worse than you bargained for and there is nothing you can do about it. I will be going out to see if I can deal with it again today... Hopefully the extra taurine and potassium will keep it at bay. I was working at flushing water so electrolytes were probably off from the jump. Either way this is the last week and I have to get this last bulk session off of me for my final pics so I can see what I have truly gained in a depleted state. So not doing cardio to avoid pumps is just not an option at this point. I have to remeber during the pain. I CHOSE THIS, NOW SUCK IT UP AND DO THE DAMN THANG!!!
Speaking of PCT and Sides... As much as I gained off of the 1st and second week and where my testes were at the end of week 2 I think this would be a great product to run for 2 week stints. You get some good size out of it but the balls are not totally shut down at that point. An abrupt PCT and a good booster like maybe TCF-1 could put you right back to normal in 2 weeks. Then you could wait a month and repeat. Seems there would be less trouble with sides this way. Also spreading your gains out so as to not be so obvious to others.
Okay, I just got back from my walk and I did not get the same pumps I got yesterday. I took extra taurine, and potassium today after my lift and it seemed to replenish me enough to make it through my cardio at lunch.
Kleen
Board Rep
I actually get in quite a bit of sodium in my diet. They aren't really cramps though. A cramp is a much different kind of pain. These pumps have an electric feel to the pain I guess would be kind of a way to describe them. Like if electrical shock is what is making the muscle tighten up and not just a cramp. I used to play with my Mom's tens unit and crank it up to see how much I could handle. Don't ask. LOL This feels like that but your not in control of the on off switch. When that got too much you could just turn it of this just keeps getting worse until it starts to get better.
- Joined
- Jun 1, 2010
- Messages
- 7,493
- Reaction score
- 1,006
- Points
- 113
superdrol makes me were I can't even do cardio because the calve pumps are so bad!
Yeah it seems like its either backs or calves or both for most people. Thanks for the rep by the way
Some regular Gatorade always helped me.
Kleen
Board Rep
Day 26 Ouch that shoulder...
Well I think I tweaked my shoulder pretty good with my heavy rows last weekend. That is going to make it hard to increase intensity during my PCT. I can do it, just have to change up some exercises and be careful. I think I will do HS High Rows, and maybe dead lifts for back thickness. I don't think I should be doing any heavy rowing for at least 2 weeks. I am taking ibuprofen and all the goodies I have so we shall see. I don't think I tore anything just inflamed it pretty bad. My other non problematic shoulder has even been bitching so I think it has more to do with really dry joints. Total lack of Estro will do that to you. Only thing of concern is that well I wont be seeing much improvement in that area until post pct when I am not taking any SERMS or other things that lower estrogen.
I have leaned back up a good bit but my lack of regular bowel movements has me a little thick in the waste even though abs are more prominent. Is that TMI? I hope not because it has to do with the cycle. This is not typically an issue for me. So it has to do with either Super DMZ, or all the support supps, or more than likely a mixture.
As far as this morning went I did 4 sets of curls and triceps extensions in a superset fashion in the cable crossover station just to get a pump in my arms then I did cardio 451 cals on the elliptical. After that it was abs time!
Well I think I tweaked my shoulder pretty good with my heavy rows last weekend. That is going to make it hard to increase intensity during my PCT. I can do it, just have to change up some exercises and be careful. I think I will do HS High Rows, and maybe dead lifts for back thickness. I don't think I should be doing any heavy rowing for at least 2 weeks. I am taking ibuprofen and all the goodies I have so we shall see. I don't think I tore anything just inflamed it pretty bad. My other non problematic shoulder has even been bitching so I think it has more to do with really dry joints. Total lack of Estro will do that to you. Only thing of concern is that well I wont be seeing much improvement in that area until post pct when I am not taking any SERMS or other things that lower estrogen.
I have leaned back up a good bit but my lack of regular bowel movements has me a little thick in the waste even though abs are more prominent. Is that TMI? I hope not because it has to do with the cycle. This is not typically an issue for me. So it has to do with either Super DMZ, or all the support supps, or more than likely a mixture.
As far as this morning went I did 4 sets of curls and triceps extensions in a superset fashion in the cable crossover station just to get a pump in my arms then I did cardio 451 cals on the elliptical. After that it was abs time!
Yeah that's the one.
Yeah, I have been forcing the issue, increasing taurine even pre cardio and taking 90 mg potassium 2 times a day.
I have had some back pumps too but nothing I haven't been able to handle yet. I was lucky yesterday that the back pump started on my last couple of sets and the bulk came after my last set so it was not a workout stopper. Had the potential though if I had not been done.Yeah it seems like its either backs or calves or both for most people. Thanks for the rep by the way
Damn bro sorry to hear about the shoulder.
Kleen
Board Rep
Thanks! I can't believe it I am so pissed. I had a 17 page log at AM on this and they deleted the entire thing because I won it over here... NICE! I lost all that info that was in my responses and what not. At least I save my normal log entries but all my responses and answers to questions all gone! Ugh!
mystictrunks
Registered
What have you tried/done in PCT to keep strength up/cortisol down?I hate those cocksuckers @ AM!They're totally out of line over there. I know a few cats here love that site but its like walking on eggshells when you post there.
Looking BIG from the last pics on previous page btw.
I ran it just under 3 weeks myself. I thought i kept it under 30 mgs/day but i guess there were days where i wasnt paying attention and popped and extra one here and there.
Anyway man, Good luck in PCT bro. You ever consider TRT or cruising btwn orals on a low dose of test or something similar?
Its just so hard for me to keep cortisol down and strength up during PCT so i no longer subscribe to it. Im so high strung that a slight injury or cold seems to make me catabolic.
This is a VERY detailed log and should help a lot of people in the future. Most def a solid product and very versatile depending on goals.
Kleen
Board Rep
Yes I am honestly considering going to my doctor for a blood test after this and trying to get on TRT while my levels are low. I will need a new doctor though the one I go to is very straight laced. Anyone know any cool Houston doctors?I hate those cocksuckers @ AM!
Looking BIG from the last pics on previous page btw.
I ran it just under 3 weeks myself. I thought i kept it under 30 mgs/day but i guess there were days where i wasnt paying attention and popped and extra one here and there.
Anyway man, Good luck in PCT bro. You ever consider TRT or cruising btwn orals on a low dose of test or something similar?
Its just so hard for me to keep cortisol down and strength up during PCT so i no longer subscribe to it. Im so high strung that a slight injury or cold seems to make me catabolic.
This is a VERY detailed log and should help a lot of people in the future. Most def a solid product and very versatile depending on goals.
Macros are 250 grams protein + BC/EAAs, and about 65-75 grams of fats. I am not counting carbs just what I get in my almonds, greens and a grapefruit a day during the carb depletion days which are Mon - Thursday. Then 250 grams protein + BC/EAAs 1000 grams carbs first 24 hours of carb up from Friday to Saturday morning, with lower fats. Saturday 250 grams protein + BC/EAAs, 600 grams carbs and lower fats, Sunday is 200-250 grams of carbs same protein and moderate fats. Saturday and Sunday are kind of free days. I still have to push the carbs on Saturday but Sunday is typically a normal eating day. If I feel I am gaining dirty weight I lower fat intake on the weekend. Typically though when not ON I do not go crazy on the weekend. I also eat higher fats during the week to keep calories up a bit more. So that looks more like a 45P, 20-25C and 30-35F ratio with most of the carbs being fibrous and typically in form of greens or legume with a 50 gram shot of carbs post workout typically a cup of ground up oats from the coffee grinder.
I agree that if possible TRT would be the way to go if planning on many more cycles. I don't know how much bigger I want to get and or how many cycles is would take. I really want to be around 200 in the 5-6% range is my ideal. For now at least.
Kleen
Board Rep
Kleen
Board Rep
Thanks Man!
Yeah, I wasn't happy but it is what it is... It is kind of like going to an older club there. You go not because the club kicks ass but because it used to, but now all your friends are there so that is where you go regularly... Have been over here more often lately though.
Now that SUKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah it is frustrating. Well after logging my PCT over there I am probably going to take a long hiatus from logging. At least there. I am supposed to be running some CEL stuff for my PCT if things go the way they are planned but after that... I just don't know.
Kleen
Board Rep
Got some not so great news need to stop this run a few days short.
Well guys talk about things coming together when you NEED them too. I wanted to stop this and start PCT but didn't have the stuff yet the order was taking forever. I ordered more YESTERDAY guess what I have in my hands now. Said order. That is a 1 day turn around you can not beat that. It was supposed to be a 30 day run, but I was just told that my wife and son have elevated liver values so they just had to have blood work and get tested for infections. There may be an infection in the household causing the elevated levels so now it is pretty important that I stop this now in case I get whatever is causing their issue. I can't have this and an infection hitting my liver at one time.
Either way me going in and getting tested now is just going to bring back negative liver values anyway so waiting for the results of their test to see if there is an infection or just medication causing it in them. My son has to get his liver checked every 3 months from being on adderal and my wife just had all her bloods done after her surgery so we shall see.
Well guys talk about things coming together when you NEED them too. I wanted to stop this and start PCT but didn't have the stuff yet the order was taking forever. I ordered more YESTERDAY guess what I have in my hands now. Said order. That is a 1 day turn around you can not beat that. It was supposed to be a 30 day run, but I was just told that my wife and son have elevated liver values so they just had to have blood work and get tested for infections. There may be an infection in the household causing the elevated levels so now it is pretty important that I stop this now in case I get whatever is causing their issue. I can't have this and an infection hitting my liver at one time.
Either way me going in and getting tested now is just going to bring back negative liver values anyway so waiting for the results of their test to see if there is an infection or just medication causing it in them. My son has to get his liver checked every 3 months from being on adderal and my wife just had all her bloods done after her surgery so we shall see.
mystictrunks
Registered
I don't get it man. How do you go fr 230 to 170? Did you stop eating enough? Did you not train as heavy? WTF?
I hope it all goes well Kleen.
Kleen
Board Rep
Good news, and final reviews.
Good news everyone the wife got her tests back Hepatitis negative so I don't have to fear for my liver health. I already started my PCT and am going to use the few caps I have left to jump start an HDrol run later. Not really a lot of extra kick, but beats not using it. Well once I depleted everything back down as low as I could I was at 204.5 lbs and looking much leaner. I gained a total of 14.5 lbs on moderate caloric intake.
Mass - I give this an A+ here. I put on 14.5 lbs of weight while becoming much leaner while eating just about maintenance.
Recovery - I did some workouts i expected to really have me in a lot of pain regarding DOMS and only got a slight tease of any DOMS at all. This product made recovery a non-issue.
Strength - Although I was not trying to get stronger perse I definitely had an assload of strength increase and it was evident every time I picked up the weights. Jumps in over all volume were amazing.
Dryness - I had no issue with a Wet look, the compound along with lower carb eating kept me nice and dry. Not holding on to water just for the sake of it.
Size - I gained almost and inch on my legs, and arms, a little over an inch on my chest measurement while keeping my waist basically the same size. I think there was a 1/3 inch increase there but abs look better too.
Sides - Were about what they were expected to be. I had some issues with BP but handled them through extra support supps. Liver function may have taken a slight hit going by a slightly lighter stool color and lack of regular movements. I looked these up and they are sides of the liver bile ducts not working efficiently. I have increased movements this weekend and color is getting darker again so the lack of Super DMZ is loosening things back up. I would recommend using all your support supps and loading on them before using this product. After that I would expect some back pumps, in the 3rd week and beyond. I know a lot of guys chose to run this at 30 mg but I had a great run at 20 mg a day. I am not overly sure that 30 MG would have given me any better benefits but I am sure it would have increased my sides.
All in all I give Super-DMZ a nice big fat A. I would give it an A+ but sides and health must be considered. For what I gained off of it, the sides were only enough to take the + off not lower it down to a B.
This is comparison from beginning and end.
View attachment 28120
Other pics taken at end.
View attachment 28121
View attachment 28122
Good news everyone the wife got her tests back Hepatitis negative so I don't have to fear for my liver health. I already started my PCT and am going to use the few caps I have left to jump start an HDrol run later. Not really a lot of extra kick, but beats not using it. Well once I depleted everything back down as low as I could I was at 204.5 lbs and looking much leaner. I gained a total of 14.5 lbs on moderate caloric intake.
Mass - I give this an A+ here. I put on 14.5 lbs of weight while becoming much leaner while eating just about maintenance.
Recovery - I did some workouts i expected to really have me in a lot of pain regarding DOMS and only got a slight tease of any DOMS at all. This product made recovery a non-issue.
Strength - Although I was not trying to get stronger perse I definitely had an assload of strength increase and it was evident every time I picked up the weights. Jumps in over all volume were amazing.
Dryness - I had no issue with a Wet look, the compound along with lower carb eating kept me nice and dry. Not holding on to water just for the sake of it.
Size - I gained almost and inch on my legs, and arms, a little over an inch on my chest measurement while keeping my waist basically the same size. I think there was a 1/3 inch increase there but abs look better too.
Sides - Were about what they were expected to be. I had some issues with BP but handled them through extra support supps. Liver function may have taken a slight hit going by a slightly lighter stool color and lack of regular movements. I looked these up and they are sides of the liver bile ducts not working efficiently. I have increased movements this weekend and color is getting darker again so the lack of Super DMZ is loosening things back up. I would recommend using all your support supps and loading on them before using this product. After that I would expect some back pumps, in the 3rd week and beyond. I know a lot of guys chose to run this at 30 mg but I had a great run at 20 mg a day. I am not overly sure that 30 MG would have given me any better benefits but I am sure it would have increased my sides.
All in all I give Super-DMZ a nice big fat A. I would give it an A+ but sides and health must be considered. For what I gained off of it, the sides were only enough to take the + off not lower it down to a B.
This is comparison from beginning and end.
View attachment 28120
Other pics taken at end.
View attachment 28121
View attachment 28122
Last edited:
Great job Kleen. Looking good and a great log!!!
Good news everyone the wife got her tests back Hepatitis negative so I don't have to fear for my liver health. I already started my PCT and am going to use the few caps I have left to jump start an HDrol run later. Not really a lot of extra kick, but beats not using it. Well once I depleted everything back down as low as I could I was at 204.5 lbs and looking much leaner. I gained a total of 14.5 lbs on moderate caloric intake.
Mass - I give this an A+ here. I put on 14.5 lbs of weight while becoming much leaner while eating just about maintenance.
Recovery - I did some workouts i expected to really have me in a lot of pain regarding DOMS and only got a slight tease of any DOMS at all. This product made recovery a non-issue.
Strength - Although I was not trying to get stronger perse I definitely had an assload of strength increase and it was evident every time I picked up the weights. Jumps in over all volume were amazing.
Dryness - I had no issue with a Wet look, the compound along with lower carb eating kept me nice and dry. Not holding on to water just for the sake of it.
Size - I gained almost and inch on my legs, and arms, a little over an inch on my chest measurement while keeping my waist basically the same size. I think there was a 1/3 inch increase there but abs look better too.
Sides - Were about what they were expected to be. I had some issues with BP but handled them through extra support supps. Liver function may have taken a slight hit going by a slightly lighter stool color and lack of regular movements. I looked these up and they are sides of the liver bile ducts not working efficiently. I have increased movements this weekend and color is getting darker again so the lack of Super DMZ is loosening things back up. I would recommend using all your support supps and loading on them before using this product. After that I would expect some back pumps, in the 3rd week and beyond. I know a lot of guys chose to run this at 30 mg but I had a great run at 20 mg a day. I am not overly sure that 30 MG would have given me any better benefits but I am sure it would have increased my sides.
All in all I give Super-DMZ a nice big fat A. I would give it an A+ but sides and health must be considered. For what I gained off of it, the sides were only enough to take the + off not lower it down to a B.
This is comparison from beginning and end.
View attachment 28120
Other pics taken at end.
View attachment 28121
View attachment 28122
It's been a great log and your progress has been nothing short of amazing! I will definitely be watching how you handle PCT. Good work bro! Ever wonder how many people have or will buy Super-DMZ after this log? lol... plenty I'm sure!
Got me interested and I was one who would never go near a SD product but this does not seem to have the very harsh sides of SD.
Kleen
Board Rep
I really don't think about it too often I would be happier just knowing that somebody read this log and tried some of the methods used here due to the success of the log. I am as detailed as possible to try to leave a road map to follow for myself and others.
Yeah honestly I would probably run this again if I got the urge to get even bigger very quickly. I say right now I may not run it again but that is because I am quite close to my goals and another month long run of this would shoot me beyond what I want to achieve. As far as sides I didn't have anything severe enough really to detour me and I was LOOKING for sides. Some back/calve pumps but not too bad. Mild constipation, corrected with magnesium to get a little fluid into the intestines.
