Life?

[Arnold]

Originally posted by irontime
Well may as well put out my theory,

god knows everything before it happens correct? Well it states that in the bible, hence he knew what would happen when he put that tree in the garden of Eden, he knew that Satan would reject him before he created him, hell he knew that he would have to send his own son to be sacrificed well before the first man was ever created. What sort of sick asshole would willingly do this? Well apparently he's our god.

Final thought, god's a bitch, have fun and enjoy life.

If you're a christian and you believe in determination, I am not a christian and I believe in free will. Nor do I believe in the bible or satan, as far as a god I like to believe that one exists, but I am not going to devote my life to such a belief. If there is a god and an afterlife I will meet him when I die.

 

[gr81]

dg you should've known this would turn in to a religious thread of course, interesting post though brotha. Well as George Carlin said, the most important commandment should be "thou shall keep thy religion to thyself!"
I really don't think that any of that shit about what is Gods will for us, matters. The real situation IS that life is what YOU make it, bottom line. Do with it what you will, everyone has different cards they are dealt but YOU make your OWN choices and YOU make life what you want it to be about, if you want it to be about some God you believe in then you do, but it is different for all of us. There is no set agenda or specific plan that we are to follow, a set of religious guidlines that we are to follow to have lived a "successful" life, no meaning of life, otherwise how many peole would have lived unfullfilled lives according to that theory? most everybody. You can't live life for what may happen afterwards, you must live in the here and now b/c that is the only thing that is for sure. word

 

[oaktownboy]

Originally posted by Prince
If you're a christian and you believe in determination, I am not a christian and I believe in free will. Nor do I believe in the bible or satan, as far as a god I like to believe that one exists, but I am not going to devote my life to such a belief. If there is a god and an afterlife I will meet him when I die.
finally someone that agrees with my sentiment

 

[oaktownboy]

Re: Re: Life?

Originally posted by Prince
We do not know, nor does any religeon.

No one will know this answer until they're dead.

I get so sick of people, mainly religous people, trying to claim they have this answer. THEY DO NOT!

It's very possible that there is no afterlife, this is it, your one shot...or maybe there is an afterlife, maybe our existence does have a purpose. Who the fuck knows, or cares for that matter.

I refuse to live my life worrying about it, I will find out when I die. I do not need to look for this answer, nor will I ever turn to a religeon that claims they have this answer.
yes i love this I couldn't have worded it any better.

 

[gr81]

I also agree with those statements, nicely worded Prince

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by Prince
what the hell is NDE?

Near Death Experience.

gr81, DG didn't say he wanted to avoid a religious thread, he didn't want it turning into a flame fest.

 

[gr81]

hey mudge who is that in your AVi, it looks like an old school wrestler or something, I can't make it out?

 

[Mudge]

Arnold - Norman the Librarian. Almost looks like the Ultimate Warrior.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1558802258/002-0053231-6436807?v=glance

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by Mudge
Near Death Experience.

Oh, for christ's sake (no pun intended) that is another crock of shit!

Those people that are "suposedly" dead, their heart stopped beating, etc., for a few minutes. THEY WERE NOT DEAD!

I've heard their stories, they all saw the same thing, some white light, yadda, yadda, yadda, I believe that as much as I believe the earth was created in 7 days.

 

[Mudge]

like I said, it has been recreated successfully in medical experiments. I have not completely walked away from religion, and dont spend my time dealing with sorting out do I believe or not, so I am not going to make an opinion based on writing it off as reality or not.

Just stating, it has been "reproduced" or induced if you will

 

[Flex]

Originally posted by gr81
dg you should've known this would turn in to a religious thread of course, interesting post though brotha. Well as George Carlin said, the most important commandment should be "thou shall keep thy religion to thyself!"
I really don't think that any of that shit about what is Gods will for us, matters. The real situation IS that life is what YOU make it, bottom line. Do with it what you will, everyone has different cards they are dealt but YOU make your OWN choices and YOU make life what you want it to be about, if you want it to be about some God you believe in then you do, but it is different for all of us. There is no set agenda or specific plan that we are to follow, a set of religious guidlines that we are to follow to have lived a "successful" life, no meaning of life, otherwise how many peole would have lived unfullfilled lives according to that theory? most everybody. You can't live life for what may happen afterwards, you must live in the here and now b/c that is the only thing that is for sure. word

GR-worded perfectly IMO..............i'm not trying to preach, but...

Again, I'm not trying to preach my beliefs (that i believe in God), but i am tryiing to preach that you all should realize that you're lucky enough to believe whatever you want.

Whenever i can remember (which i try to do everyday), i remind myself how lucky i am that i live in America, am free, have great freinds and a loving family. I try not to take anything for granted, even though i do everyday, when i let little petty shit bother me.

Focus on living the best life you can, look around at what and who you have, because even though it seems like it, its not always going to be like this forever.

Do not take anything for granted!!!

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by gr81
You can't live life for what may happen afterwards, you must live in the here and now b/c that is the only thing that is for sure.

Our life on earth is but a flicker in time. Eternity is never ending(if you are in heaven). I would rather plan to live for eternity than not. (of course that includes believing in God)

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by Prince
Oh, for christ's sake (no pun intended) that is another crock of shit!

Those people that are "suposedly" dead, their heart stopped beating, etc., for a few minutes. THEY WERE NOT DEAD!

LMAO!! never had one so I can't say. But I guess technically they were dead as long as their heart was not beating. They just didn't stay that way.

 

[Flex]

I'm currently taking Death, Dying and bereavement class, its the best class i've ever taken.It reallly makes you open your eyes.

If there are people in your life that you care about and love, and havent told them that yet today, go do it.

IF you guys wanna read a real serious eye opening book, read Mitch Albom's (Espn sports reporters) "Tuesdays with Morrie".

It shows you how the only things that matter in life are the people that you care about and care about you and not to get caught up in this materialistic society we live in. It tells you to really live a lively life.

I think thats why i love BB. Personally it makes me feel alive. Panting breath, muscles feeling like jello, sweat dripping, agonizing pain, skin popping pumps, fatigue, courage, determination, dedication and everything else that goes with it.

Again, i wasn't trying to preach to anyone on how to live your life, its completely up to you. But just try to make the most of it, and Be thankful (to whoever you believe or dont believe in) that you're alive, because...

"Nobody gets outta here alive" -Jim Morrison

 

[gr81]

Life is not thatshort (well for some it is) and you can't overlook it just b/c you think there may be something afterwards. Lets just pretend (and I do mean pretend) that there is a God and all that nonsense is true about heaven and hell. Now even though I am an atheist, I live my live with my OWN set of morals and values of what is right and wrong. I am being true to myself and those around me ans in my heart I believe that I am being the best, most functional person I can be, trying to fulfil my potential. Even though I do all of that, am I not going to go to heaven when I die just b/c I don't believe, even though I am a purely good person?? I would like to know.
Also I have to say that living life for what may be after, overlooking the here and now seems like it would be wasting Gods gift of life that he gave you, would he want to breathe life into you, just to see you waste it by not taking full advantage of it?? I know that at this moment in my llife I tend to live life like I am waiting for the future b/c I am not financially set or onto the career I want to be in yet, I am not as big as I want to be yet, and I feel bad like I am wasting my time now b/c I am looking towards the future, i can't imagine living my whole life like that, seems like an empty existance to me. To each his own I guess, right

Originally posted by dg806
Our life on earth is but a flicker in time. Eternity is never ending(if you are in heaven). I would rather plan to live for eternity than not. (of course that includes believing in God)

 

[ZECH]

As a christian, God's plan for you in life is to spread the gospel and save as many people as possible before he returns. Sure God wants you to enjoy life, but not to lose track of what it is all about.

 

[gr81]

well I know all about that, I was raised with a catholic upbringing, I spend 13 years in a catholic school atmosphere and coming out of all that, that is theexact reason I am a devout athiest. If Gods is all around us and watches over every thing we do, responsible for all that goes on, then why does he kill people in earth quakes or floods, why does he kill good people with cancer and other unbiased diseases. if he is there for the good then he must be there for the bad right? so why.
I live my life for me b/c I am the ONE constant in my life, it should be all about your self, not pushing your religion upon people that don't care (noto you DG, generally speaking). No body likes to have things pushed upon them, people like to make their own choices, not to be tellemarketed into a faith.

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by gr81
well I know all about that, I was raised with a catholic upbringing, I spend 13 years in a catholic school atmosphere and coming out of all that, that is theexact reason I am a devout athiest. If Gods is all around us and watches over every thing we do, responsible for all that goes on, then why does he kill people in earth quakes or floods, why does he kill good people with cancer and other unbiased diseases. if he is there for the good then he must be there for the bad right? so why.
That is something I can't answer and will never know?

I live my life for me b/c I am the ONE constant in my life, it should be all about your self, not pushing your religion upon people that don't care (noto you DG, generally speaking). No body likes to have things pushed upon them, people like to make their own choices, not to be tellemarketed into a faith.
I try not to push because I think that is one thing that drives people away. I like to give ideas and opinions based on what I believe and let people decide for themselves. All I can do is tell how my life is affected.

 

[gr81]

well I wish that other religious people felt the same way about not pushing their beliefs onto others, that is one of the biggest problems with religion. I could only imagine what people would think if I went around telling all who don't lift weights that there way is wrong nd they shoudl think like me, even if it is true, they need to come to that line of thinking by thereselves, agree?

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by gr81
If Gods is all around us and watches over every thing we do, responsible for all that goes on, then why does he kill people in earth quakes or floods, why does he kill good people with cancer and other unbiased diseases. if he is there for the good then he must be there for the bad right? so why.

I believe it started with us requesting a human king, not God. He is not our babysitter to fix our fuckups. I do not believe when people comment "let God be your guide" blah blah, I am here to live my life, I am responsible for my own business, I fuck up or I dont, not God.

"God" also said that he would never wipe out large masses of people again, as far as I 'assume' he does not meddle in our affairs, we made it clear we want to rule our own lives and I believe that is what we are here to do.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I believe prince summed it up best by saying no one knows, but I would like to add. How does one not know that we are not currently in what is afterlife or what could be construed as pre-life. How do we know that we are not currently in a dream like state? Don't give me that "you can't feel pain in a dream" BS because you can most defintely experience pain in a dream.

Man has this annoying ability to have to explain EVERYTHING, even that which cannot be explained. Even if there was a distinct answer, I don't think I would want to know it, it would be like having some ahole tell you the ending of a movie that you are about to go see, I would rather experience it for myself and not have someone else's representation of it be forced onto me.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by dg806
LMAO!! never had one so I can't say. But I guess technically they were dead as long as their heart was not beating. They just didn't stay that way.

then why call it a near death experience?

 

[Mudge]

No I believe DG means thats the definition of dead and then coming back. I had actually thought that BO was refering to having had an NDE, dunno. Now the brain has a limited amount of time when you are "dead" before you damage it.

Nobody knows, thats why its called "faith."

 

[BUSTINOUT]

Originally posted by firestorm
yea Gods seemed to change with the weather there for sometime. Anl like said above, even the weather had a God. Finally some guy named Pope found a way to make money from it and ever since then the Gods with no financial power withered away. Religion is a business, nothing more.

No offense FS, but you need to study a little more history of man and religion, rather than not only quoting, but also agreeing with some communist dribble. Ona side note, you cannot capitalise God in plural...contradiction my man.

 

[BUSTINOUT]

Originally posted by Prince
Oh, for christ's sake (no pun intended) that is another crock of shit!

Those people that are "suposedly" dead, their heart stopped beating, etc., for a few minutes. THEY WERE NOT DEAD!

I've heard their stories, they all saw the same thing, some white light, yadda, yadda, yadda, I believe that as much as I believe the earth was created in 7 days.

Now who is claiming to know all the answers? You sound just as opinionated and narrow minded as the people whose views you claim to detest. Let's see...it's wednesday now, which side of your mouth are you going to talk out of today? lol

 

[BUSTINOUT]

Originally posted by gr81
well I know all about that, I was raised with a catholic upbringing, I spend 13 years in a catholic school atmosphere and coming out of all that, that is theexact reason I am a devout athiest. If Gods is all around us and watches over every thing we do, responsible for all that goes on, then why does he kill people in earth quakes or floods, why does he kill good people with cancer and other unbiased diseases. if he is there for the good then he must be there for the bad right? so why.
I live my life for me b/c I am the ONE constant in my life, it should be all about your self, not pushing your religion upon people that don't care (noto you DG, generally speaking). No body likes to have things pushed upon them, people like to make their own choices, not to be tellemarketed into a faith.

Apparently Catholic school did not teach you much if those are the questions you're coming up with. If the Bible was your lesson plan, you would not be asking those. Or maybe you were playing hookie when they talked about that stuff eh? lol I might have even been playing hookie on one of those days too. lol

I could not agree more about people not liking religion shoved down their throat. Personally, I went though some stuff earlier in life that I truly felt I survived and it sure wasn't by my own doing. So it was my own choice and not forced on me. I think I can tell you why alot of people push though. For some, their "salvation" is based on works. The Bible does not say that it is, but being humans, for some people, it easier to believe they can work their way into heaven, rather than combine faith and works. Believe it or not, some of the most forceful preachy people, don't have that strong of faith...some do though. Some people that are pushy, really do have good intentions. There heart is in the right place, their method just kinda sucks. lol

But when bad things happen to people, that is all a part of living. Like murder...bad people do bad things. It's that simple. As for cancer and stuff like that, I wish I had the answer for you man but I don't. BUt many of the causes for cancer, are man made...that much I do know. Just because there is a God, does not mean all bad things go away. I know you are not so ignorant to truly believe that that is the case. What I want to know is why is it when things are going good "it's all about us. Man what a stud I must be? But when bad things happen, it's God's fault. We take the credit and He gets the blame. Does that sound as stupid to you as it does to me? If I could be so bold to say this after the fact, if people that were raised in a church or religious background are going to deny Gods existance, do so for a better reason than what a bunch of crotchety old men(or women) said to be fact/gospel. Compare what they were teaching to what the Bible teaches. I'd be willing to bet in many cases they are very different. Not all, but if you want to get the most acurate version, go to the souce not through the grapevine. Thanks for letting me ramble. None of what I said is meant to be judgemental at all. Just many times, people ask question and because they do not like the answer, they feel they are being judged. I'm the last person to be judging, but I won't be disrespected either.

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by dg806
Our life on earth is but a flicker in time. Eternity is never ending(if you are in heaven). I would rather plan to live for eternity than not. (of course that includes believing in God)

Sorry Dg, but I'll have to disagree with this one. I'd much rather spend an eternity in Hell listening to Danzig, chugging the beer in one hand and a greasy hooter in the other. Eternal celibacy just doesn't sound like much of a heaven to me

 

[Rocco32]

I think you put it really well in your post above Bustinout! Thanks

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
Now who is claiming to know all the answers? You sound just as opinionated and narrow minded as the people whose views you claim to detest. Let's see...it's wednesday now, which side of your mouth are you going to talk out of today? lol

haha

no buddy, that is just it, I do not claim to have ANY answers, unlike you religous folk that think you have all of the answers from your bibles.

and I am very open minded, again unlike religeous people that are only capable of believing what their dear little bible tells them is true.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by rock4832
I think you put it really well in your post above Bustinout! Thanks

I have to say, I thought I read Bustanut...