Liquid dbol via sub-q

[Grozny]

Everyone has a favorite, a favorite moviestar, a favorite song etc, we bodybuilders also have favorite exercises, musclegroups. But we also have favorite steroids. Me, I like Dianabol (methandrostenolone/methandiënenone). Its an old saying: ???if you can???t grow on d-bol and test, you can???t grow on anaything???. Even if Arnold swore on the combo Deca/D-bol, I prefer the combo Test/Dbol. Everyone reacts different on the diverse cycles and means, its induvidual, just like taste.

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There I also posted this exerpt from the first patent application for 1-dehydrotestosterones which resulted in studies with these new compounds. The scientists from CIBA described a way to manufacture 1 ml ampoules of oil based methandrostenolone for injections. It is pretty obvious that the CIBA scientists studied the results of this new injectable.

Lets take a side step to clarify what I wanna tell you.

Boldenone was created while chemists where attempting to create a long acting injectable Dianabol (Methandrostenolone). A simple way to think of Boldenone, chemically at least, is that it is Dianabol without the 17-alpha-methyl group (that´s what makes Dianabol able to be ingested orally without being destroyed by the first pass trough the liver). Its shows how even the smallest modification of the chemical structure can completely change a steroids properties. Boldenone is a 1-dehydro derivative of testosterone. Boldenone with an undecyclenate ester has been sold as a veterinary preparation under the brand name Equipoise. Everybody that knows about these compounds knows that Bodenone undecylenate is completely different from Dianabol, which on its turn is completely different from injectable Dianabol.

Surfing the net I found many threads on oral and injectable 17alpha mythylated steroids. I was struck by some lack of knowledge. Members asking for help and information. Others providing the right info are being put down as ingnorant, rookies or just plain stupid. It seems that the biggest mouth is always right. Therefore some information on this subject.


Dan Duchaine in his first Underground Steroid book raved about Reforvit-B and later convinced ???International Pharmaceuticals??? to launch their products on the US market. The first product from IP that came on the US black market was ??????. IP injectable Dianabol.

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Reforvit-B 25 mg/ml, 10 ml / and 50 ml vials (made by Loeffler in Mexico) are a veterinary compound used to treat animals. Methandrostenolone is a steroid used as veterinary medicine on stockbreeding to promote animal growth and for overall animal health. It???s methandrostenolone and vitamin B, hence the name. It contains:

Methandrostenalona.....................25.0 mg
Riboflavina 5-fosfato...................... 1.0 mg
Piridoxina clorhidrato..................... 2.5 mg
Nicotinamida.................................10.0 mg
Vitamina B-12...............................25.0 mcg

(Nicotinamide is also known as vitamin b-3. It is a slow release version of Niacin.)

Reforvit-B is not solved in oil but in Propylene glycol, with some procaine added to lessen the pain. Because it was solved in propylene glycol Reforvit-B was very painful to inject, to avoid the pain people tried to swallow it, but it tasted terrible. On the boards members informed each other to inject the Reforvit into vitamin capsules from the health food store with a needle. Of course there where also Reforvit tablets available from Loeffler.

Dan Duchaine was not the only one enthusiastic about injectable Dianabol, Dave Palumbo stated in an article:

"Most of you who regularly read my column already know: I hate oral steroids. They're liver toxic, they kill your appetite and they dont last very long in the body. Liquid Dianabol, however, is a very different beast. When Dianabol is injected intramuscularly, the apetite-supressing effects disappear, the liver toxicity drops and the muscle-building effects are maximized. Simply explained, when you consume the correct amount of food and your liver efficiently processes that food, you create the ideal anabolic environment. Stick with dosages of 25-50 mg EOD."

Effectivness od Sub-q

The comparison of the estrogenic properties of Nilevar and Dianabol, note that the oral doses where 10 times the subcutanously given doses. Its my strong believe that the sub-Q administration route is much more effective and I???ll adress this later in the article.

The anabolic substances know to date possess other hormonal properties in addition to their androgenic effects: it is known, for example, that 19-nor-17-ethyl-testosterone(Nilevar) in particular, even when given in small doses, induces the secretory phase of the estrogen sensitized uteris, e.g. is action is similar to that of progesterone. The daily dose of 19-nor required to elicit this effect is 0,03 mg/kg subcutaneously or 3 mg/kg orally.

With 1-dehydro-17α -methyl-testosterone(Dianabol) even when given in doses up to 300 times higher (10 mg/kg subcutaneously or 100 mg/kg orally) it is not possible to produce a progesterone-like effect.


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According to many ???guru???s??? dianabol gains are mostly waterweight (you can read this everywhere on the forums). If you use a lot od testsoteron and Dianabol or methandrostenolone or methandienone you???ll expirience some fluid retention for sure. But that can be delt with and is not relevant for this article. The increase in bodyweight in these experiments show in increase in muscle (nitrogen uptake [yellow]) and not in waterweight (messured [red])


Again back to the subcutain administration of Nilevar and Dianabol as highlighted in yellow. It took 0.03 mg/kg 19nor-17alpha-ethyl-testosterone (Nilevar) or 3 mg/kg orally (tablet) to illicit a progestrone effect in uterus.

Thus one needed 100 time the oral dose to reach to the same effect. What convused me a bit is that the ratio from oral to sub-q doses from Methandrostenolone are devious from the Nilevar doses

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[Grozny]

This exerpt shows the effectivity of the subq versus te oral administration. And compares Nilivar with Dianabol..

Actually there is very little info about D-bol-ject did anyone present on this forum tried D-bol-ject ??



Methandienone Injection 1000 mg/10 ml


Pharmaceutical Name: Methandrostenolone / methandienone
Chemical structure: 17 beta-hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-1,4-androstadien-3-one
Effective dose: 15-50 mg / day orally or 50-150 mg / week by injection


Characteristics:

Methandrostenolone is without a doubt one of the best, if not the best product for people who compete in non-aerobic oriented sports. It promotes drastic protein synthesis, enhances glycogenolysis (repletion of glycogen after exercise) and stimulates strength in a very direct and fast-acting way. It may be less useful to those competing in aerobic events as it also diminishes cell respiration1. But methandrostenolone manifests itself in a distinct manner : rapid and fast-acting build-up of strength and mass is noticed. That's why its often used at the beginning of cycle consisting of mostly injectables like long-acting testosterone esters and nandrolone. Since the effects of such drugs don't fully come out for the first 10-15 days, methandrostenolone is dosed in to provide immediate and visible results. It has a rather weak androgenic component and an obviously quite strong and visible anabolic component. Its effects are largely non-AR mediated, which is documented by its rather low influence on the natural endocrine system2 and the fact that it decreases rather than increases red blood cell content in the blood. Which means that one worry users of Dianabol, especially short term, needn't fear is the dramatic shutdown of natural testosterone production as is often the case with very androgenic compounds. Of course this effect is dose-dependent. It still has a mild androgenic component, meaning in high doses (30+ mg daily) androgen-mediated side-effects can be noted (acne, male pattern hair loss).

Because of its fast effects, immense popularity and the increasing "more-is-better" sentiment among bodybuilders, increasingly high doses are indeed being used and recommended. One has to wonder about the logic of such recommendations however, since high dose urine-analysis showed portions of unmetabolized compounds were being excreted3. In simpler terms that means that with higher doses, higher amounts of unchanged methandrostenolone were being excreted in the urine. This would indicate that the current stance needs to be reviewed and that smaller doses, taken multiple times per day would deliver better results and maximal use of the steroid. Dianabol simply is highly effective in low doses(25-40 mg ed). Som say Anadrol, a comparable steroid to methandrostenolone, is better, but its taken in doses of 50-150 mg. If one was to take methandrostenolone in those doses better gains could be expected. Methandrostenolone is also a lot safer in as opposed to the highly toxic and progestagenic anadrol. If one takes into account that the half-life of methandrostenolone in the body is only 3-6 hours, this theory makes even more sense. So taking your daily dose spread over 3 or 4 doses may elicit a better effect than only 1 or 2 doses. Methandrostenolone is quite effective in these lower doses by the way. Milligram for Milligram its more powerful than a testosterone ester, generally considered the best mass-builder.

A few notes there need to be made however. Not everyone should try and spread their doses out over multiple servings. First of all there is a slightly lower efficacy to take into account here as well due to two characteristics. The first being that you feed the total amount to the liver in smaller portions, yet the liver still manages to metabolize the same amount. Percentage wise that means less methandienone would make it through totally. The second would be that the peak levels aren't quite as high since no large doses are taken all at once. These two facts make it hard to recommend that just anyone take multiple doses. People who take moderate to low doses of ONLY methandrostenolone should probably opt for a single morning dose. This delivers a higher peak level and more survival of your only steroid. It also, due to the short half-life, makes the drug clear the body before the body produces its largest dose of natural testosterone, the early hours of sleep. Combined with the already mild effect at the AR, you could keep a good amount of your gains when using clomid or Nolvadex post-cycle. For those using it in conjunction with other, mostly injectable steroids, two doses seems to be the better choice, if you are taking in excess of 40 mg a day perhaps even three doses.

This is usually the case for fast-acting substances, they have short half-lives. Which brings us to the point of prolonged use. The general concensus is that methandrostenolone should never be used more than 6 weeks on end due its strong hepatoxic effects. Being largely an oral compound, its also 17-alpha-alkylated to help it survive the liver upon first pass. Liver values are elevated over a short period of time4, making long-term use a very dangerous affair. Liver values should return to normal quite fast after discontinuation however since the effects are so short-lived. Other risks associated with the use of methandrostenolone include the apparition of estrogenic side-effects because it interacts rather well with the aromatase enzyme on account of its methylated properties. It is therefore best used in conjunction with an anti-estrogen. Gynocomastia, high blood pressure, salt and water retention and mild cases of acne are therefore not uncommon.

 

[Grozny]

Its methylated properties (17-methyl group) does have several positive characteristics of course. Why else would they add this group? The main purpose of course it to make sure less of the methandrostenolone is affected by hepatic breakdown when taken orally. But apparently it also decreases the affinity of the drug to SHBG (sex-hormone binding globulin), a sex steroid binding protein that takes up as much as 98% of testosterone. Testosterone that can't be used to build muscle. Since methandrostenolone does not bind to this protein easily, its quite an active substance, no doubt accounting for its fast and immediately visible action. Dianabol also does not affect cholesterol levels to a high degree in moderate doses5, and it seems to help an athlete stock up on potassium6. This is particularly beneficial taking into account the amount of sodium its estrogenic effects store as well.

We hinted at the short time of activity methandrostenolone possesses. This means that despite its immediate, fast and explosive gains in both strength and mass, they are quite hard to maintain. Often the bulk of mass is lost shortly after discontinuation, making it most unsuitable for those looking to gain and keep quality muscle. An injectable may suppress some of these obviously flawed characteristics, but the 5 mg tabs remain the trend. With its high capacity to survive breakdown in the liver this understandably. Orally its perhaps the most powerful, although in the strength of effects it still can't hold a candle to androl. But its cheaper and safer than the aforementioned of course.

In light of the evidence presented, we conclude that the best use for methandrostenolone is short-term, for 5-6 weeks, at the beginning of a longer bulking stack (10+ weeks), preferably injectable, to kickstart gains and strength. Its effects are largely non-AR mediated and it aromatizes quite well, which leaves it with limited stacking partners, The best candidates are of course nandrolone and testosterone. It should be taken in doses no higher than 50 mg (20-40 mg being the norm) ,spread over multiple doses for maximum effects in stacks and a single morning dose when taken by itself. D-bol remains a favorite today however, that's a fact that cannot be argued.

Stacking and Use:

I needn't really expand too much, since most of the conclusion were drawn in that last paragraph. Dianabol is a methylated compound with a certain toxicity, so in the interest of safety you wouldn't use it longer than 6 weeks on end, 8 weeks at the absolute maximum and only under supervision of a medical professional who can monitor your liver values. Because it heavily aromatizes its not particularly useful during cutting and with 6-8 weeks of use maximum, that leaves but two options. Either stacking it with another, injectable, compound that can be used for longer terms (beginning of stack when other compound is least active) or you would do multiple short cycles. In that case one would take off at least as long as he was on during a cycle, preferably longer. Like 6 weeks on, followed by 6-10 weeks off. These multiple cycles were all the fashion among pro bodybuilders in the 70's with very decent results.

When stacking with a longer-acting product, such as testosterone enanthate or cypionate, Deca or Equipoise, the best use is early on in the stack. Dianabol is a very fast-acting steroid and most injectables don't start showing their real value for 2-3 weeks. That makes it particularly useful to kick off a cycle with.

It's most readily stacked with Deca-Durabolin or Primobolan, perhaps even Equipoise. Usually an injection of 200-400 mg/week combined with 30-40 mg of Dianabol everyday. In some cases testosterone was used in conjunction with anyone of these stacks. For short term use oral Primobolan made a good match, and in lesser ways an oral Winstrol. Both provide a mild, lean foundation for the Dianabol and both are also 17-alpha alkylated, warranting short-term use. Since Dianabol has little Androgen receptor activity, it functions particularly synergistic with compounds that have a strong Androgen receptor activity as is the case for all the aforementioned.

Along the lines of secondary products an anti-aromatase like Cytadren or Arimidex may be useful. When stacked with Deca, the choice for a receptor antagonist like Clomid or Nolvadex is perhaps a wiser choice. Perhaps even a combination of both. Dianabol aromatizes rather heavily, which means in a stack with another aromatizing compound the risk for gyno remains high and water retention is virtually a fact. Post-cycle the use of Clomid or Nolvadex can be employed to boost natural testosterone production. There is quite some circulating estrogen post-cycle that causes prolonged negative feedback, clomid or Nolvadex would solve that problem and help you retain more of your gains.

 

[Glycomann]

Nice little article. I'm using inj dianabol now.

 

[Grozny]

Nice little article. I'm using inj dianabol now.

Did u try it via sub-q way,otherwise what brand did u using i m on hcl inj dbol great prod

 

[ANIMALHAUS]

Where did you get the article? You should probably share that...

 

[inkd]

D-bol is a love/hate relationship for me....automatic gyno when using it, tried AI's, etc,, but IMO I can get just as good gains with other options-jealous of you can use it....

 

[Grozny]

Where did you get the article? You should probably share that...

not really secret from naps forum

 

[World-Pharma.org]

Great Article...good job.

Hope you will made some new articles !