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After 47 years of living in a country proud of its Christian culture I would have to agree to disagree. Most bible thumping Christians left to their own knowledge with no support from google would be unable to name all the books of the bible let alone the dates of the various events that caused it to exist.

You can disagree with my assessment all day long ... but go out into the street and see how you do with that mindset. Ask people at random ... people who look like intelligent Americans of a solid Christian origin ... the names of the books of the bible. Ask when it was written, or when it was translated to the English language. Ask why? None will know the answer to these few basic important questions or even half of them.

I'm not doubting their faith, just their knowledge of WHY they have that faith and how the religion they have that faith in came to be.


The origin of God as the Christians see him springs from their faith in him. He exists and told us of Himself through the bible. You suggest to a God fearing Christian that their God evolved from the
Zarathushtran concepts of monotheism and either his eyes will glaze over in impatient tolerance, or he'll get red faced and call you a heretic.




or i can go into the churches and walk into the sunday schools of the little children and have them sing me songs about the books of the bible and the main characters and what they did. if i want to know what Christians think or understand their beliefs to be, maybe the best place to do it would be with the ones who actually go to church and practice Christianity. not the ones who pay lip service and go to church on christmas and easter and call it good.
 
or i can go into the churches and walk into the sunday schools of the little children and have them sing me songs about the books of the bible and the main characters and what they did. if i want to know what Christians think or understand their beliefs to be, maybe the best place to do it would be with the ones who actually go to church and practice Christianity. not the ones who pay lip service and go to church on christmas and easter and call it good.


What is it you're trying to say here bio-chem? That he should learn religion from children? That he should only ask about religion from the people that practice it? Something about my post rubbed you the wrong way so he shouldn't discuss religion with me?
 
any philosohpy of religion book should do. I took a class on the philosophy of religion and I have two really great books.
1. The philosophy of Religion BY: Beverley Clack
2. Taking Sides BY: Daniel Judd (this one deals more with controversial issues and how religions approach them.... death penalty, abortion, etc.)
 
^^ I highly recommend #1, it covers everything from many different perspectives and is pretty cheap.
 
What is it you're trying to say here bio-chem? That he should learn religion from children? That he should only ask about religion from the people that practice it? Something about my post rubbed you the wrong way so he shouldn't discuss religion with me?

thats what im saying. if you want to know about religion we should find out from those who actively practice it. if you want to know about Christianity, why would you go to some joe on the street who has never read the bible and who doesnt go to church. doesnt seem like a very credible source if your looking for information now does it?

when i wanted to know about Islam, i read the koran then i talked with those who actively practiced it.

why would i go to an athiest and ask about God?

nothing about your posts have rubbed me the wrong way. i feel your entitled to your opinion, i just have a different one and i feel i can bring up examples that shed a different view than you possess. i feel your view on Christianity is a very cynical one and i would like to express that, this is not how it really is in my opinion.
 
thats what im saying. if you want to know about religion we should find out from those who actively practice it. if you want to know about Christianity, why would you go to some joe on the street who has never read the bible and who doesnt go to church. doesnt seem like a very credible source if your looking for information now does it?

when i wanted to know about Islam, i read the koran then i talked with those who actively practiced it.

why would i go to an athiest and ask about God?

nothing about your posts have rubbed me the wrong way. i feel your entitled to your opinion, i just have a different one and i feel i can bring up examples that shed a different view than you possess. i feel your view on Christianity is a very cynical one and i would like to express that, this is not how it really is in my opinion.
I see. Glad I didn't upset you as that was not my intention.

The historical points I made are accurate though right?
 
I see. Glad I didn't upset you as that was not my intention.

The historical points I made are accurate though right?

sure. ive got no major issues with the historical points of your posts regarding catholicism, lutheranism or such. as long as we recognise not all of Christianity believes the same , especially on major points of doctrine, and that it is important to deferentiate that
 
sure. ive got no major issues with the historical points of your posts regarding catholicism, lutheranism or such. as long as we recognise not all of Christianity believes the same , especially on major points of doctrine, and that it is important to deferentiate that

That was really what the thread was started for:

I want to know why we have different religions. Where, how and why they were started. What the differences are. I would like to find a book that will explain this to me. Any ideas? I should start reading the bible.
There was an interest in the origins of religion. I would suggest though that getting the unbiased facts from someone with too strong of an attachment to any one denomination would impossible. I have no issues with religion that would cause me to misrepresent the truth of it. But he really doesn't wanna hear my singing voice so I'm not gonna be doing a musical version of the books from the bible.

What denomination are you bio-chem? I'm hoping you're not into Scientology ....
 
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That was really what the thread was started for:

The was an interest in the origins of religion. I would suggest though that getting the unbiased facts from someone with too strong of an attachment to any one denomination would impossible. I have no issues with religion that would cause me to misrepresent the truth of it. But he really doesn't wanna hear my singing voice so I'm not gonna be doing a musical version of the books from the bible.

What denomination are you bio-chem? I'm hoping you're not into Scientology ....

no ha ha. im not a scientologist. I'm LDS.

the only reason i brought up the children singing was in response to your thoughts that Christians really dont understand there beliefs. Cant name the books of the bible, and dont understand its origins. and i agree the majority of those who call themselves Christians that dont go to church more than twice a year probably couldnt answer those questions. yet if you were to go into a church regardless of denomination and talk to those who regularly attend their services they would be able to answer those questions easily. even the children would be able to. that was the point i was trying to make
 
no ha ha. im not a scientologist. I'm LDS.

the only reason i brought up the children singing was in response to your thoughts that Christians really dont understand there beliefs. Cant name the books of the bible, and dont understand its origins. and i agree the majority of those who call themselves Christians that dont go to church more than twice a year probably couldnt answer those questions. yet if you were to go into a church regardless of denomination and talk to those who regularly attend their services they would be able to answer those questions easily. even the children would be able to. that was the point i was trying to make
Lol ... good thing I edited out my part about the Mormons. You'd be frothing at the mouth. I did tone down that histology post with the thought that my opinions didn't belong in there ~~~ except that I just had to trash the Scientologists. It was an overpowering need.
 
Lol ... good thing I edited out my part about the Mormons. You'd be frothing at the mouth. I did tone down that histology post with the thought that my opinions didn't belong in there ~~~ except that I just had to trash the Scientologists. It was an overpowering need.

as long as your not being malicious i probably would have laughed. i get a kick out of seeing what misconceptions there are out there about us
 
I want to know why we have different religions. Where, how and why they were started. What the differences are. I would like to find a book that will explain this to me. Any ideas? I should start reading the bible.


Good luck. Each of those books is written from one bias or other and sometimes we just have to read them all ourselves and make up our own minds. It's alot of work though and ppl that dooo that are usually called doctors of religious philosophy.
I think we have different religions because different things make sense to different groups due to geographical situation at the conception of the group and pending where in time and sequence of what came before the new notes on the immediate conceiving culture's needs and interperatation of what the current issues are relative to what they've read heard or understood to what's being trying to be said by other groups prior.
There are definately historical consistencies from group to group and one's relious books or guides or whathaveyou might have slightly different information - either additions or ommissions , from another group but the general most consistent submission seems to be along the lines of the old testament's Moses movement out of Eygpt. It iis an accepted fact that Eygpt is the oldest country holding the oldest surviving civilisation .. but then Africa, which is directly under Egypt seems to have half a claim themselves...the next big time insertion place seeming to be the middle east and then India and china from there, China being the official second oldest nation and civilisation at 5000 yrs old, in the way of hinduism / confucism/ taoism and buddhism...remembering that the yr is currently 2007 being 2007 yrs after the birth of Jesus.
i personally don't think it's really fair to say that ppl have a fair perspective on the whole story until they haave read versions of and stories from different relgion's belief systems to compare notes and see what " truths " or stories correlate with what ever they have prior.
For example , muslims and many middle eastern religions with the tora and the koran , also support the contention that it all started with a civilisation in that corner of the world that moved it's way eastward and dropped off along the way in groups and so became various civilations and nations and cultures off that thereafter. There are also anthrolopoloical findings that suggest their were origins Coming out of the nordic regions.. being the blonde and blue eyed contingent of the race.

It's really hard to keep an open mind and read throuugh book upon book of so many long winded sometimes heady stories, but for myself, who stiill can't say i've read them all, i don't think it's fair for me to even try to have an opinion and sell it unless i approach it that way and with it in mind that they are alll talking about love and easing wordly burdens through comfort in a theory on what does or doesn't happen next ....that at the core they're all talking of love and death ..and in some cases birth and suggestions how to most satifying live why, in somme shape or form and regardless of how it's written, even the satanic bible with it's immediate gratification ideas and scientology concepts of the detailed journey theyy are offering, and freemasonry and alll these cults around the world even that are relgions of their own right, but imo the trick is hearing the pysychology they're viewing love with.. and if it's not saying love, even when they're not saying love, i don't think we 're reading it right.

no idea if that means anything to you or helps your question any, but it's quite cool to explore different groups souls on it by investigating what they're actually on about , or at least with the variety of ppl I personally 've encountered belived different things whom I've wanted to understand or help I have found it quite cool and interesting at times, and when you can match it with expand on things like Darwinist theories and historical accounts of census records and otherr historical facts, including native tribal accounts and beliefs - being they are also a religion of their own tribalism and so forth it really helps to clarify some of what it is you can legitimately consider a reasonable enough fact and what interperetations are consistent to those things.

There are soo so many relgions and books but having travelled through China myself for four yrs off and on studying eastern belief systems .. for a ph.d. which never actually happened, I highly recommend that if you arre interested just pick one - like maybe something from a group with an old testament and something from a more non-western popularised orthordox system and just start reading... and dont be shy to explore history books to see if there's anything to support to what's being said.
Exploring one's own personal spiritualism is a life long journey so just dont expect to understand immediately. Be patient be reasonable, be generous and tolerant when you don't quite get what they're on about yet and enjoy your journey with it:D.
Funny question to find on this board but i hope that helps you out.;).


Blooming tianshi lotus.
 
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whats LDS? i go to church most sundays. :D

sorry. it's short for Latter-Day Saint. it's what mormons prefer to be called. the full name of our church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. mormon was just a nick name given to us by our enemies that stuck because we really were not offended by it like they intended
 
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