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Looking for opinions. Bulk or Cut ??

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allnaturalkid87

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Hey guys,

So I have been training natural on and off for about 5 years now.
I am trying to decide if I should cut down or bulk up right now.

My age is 23, my height is 5'11, my weight is 198lbs, and my body fat is about 15%

My goals are probably to get to around 215lbs at 10% body fat, hopefully staying all natural.

I would love some opinions?

 
Cut down to what? A skeleton? I suggest you start bulking.
 
Mr. Fantastico said:
Cut down to what? A skeleton? I suggest you start bulking.
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mwahahaha!

. . and after giving careful consideration, weighing up all the options, and consulting with other experts . .

. . highly recommend a course of Gears! :ohyeah:
 
theCaptn' said:
good looking wheelz man, that must be where all your mass is. You dont need to be cutting, at all.

It's winter time in Can-a-Da yeah? Time to bulk. Eat those fucking clubbed seals and moose burgers!
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Thank you sir :daydream:

Definitely where the majority of my mass is, guess that's my genetics...

Yes, definitely cooooooold here in Canada right now eh? Hahahaha clubbed seals and moose burgers! Nothing beats a beaver burger and goose eggs in the winter with some grade A Canadian maple syrup :)

New doot aboot it eh ?

Thanks both for your input
 
Definitely bulk. If you're going to cut up later anyways don't waste time cutting up now too if you're just going to throw away all that hard work and bulk some more. Get to well over 200lbs then cut, then stay that way and become a fucking unit.

Im totally the opposite to you, all my mass is in my upper body and my legs are crap. Squatting some good numbers, but they don't seem to grow on any program no matter how much i eat. Put on 30lbs and saw like half and inch growth :P

Go figure. There must be a gymnast in my ancestry.
 
Gazhole said:
Definitely bulk. If you're going to cut up later anyways don't waste time cutting up now too if you're just going to throw away all that hard work and bulk some more. Get to well over 200lbs then cut, then stay that way and become a fucking unit.

Im totally the opposite to you, all my mass is in my upper body and my legs are crap. Squatting some good numbers, but they don't seem to grow on any program no matter how much i eat. Put on 30lbs and saw like half and inch growth :P

Go figure. There must be a gymnast in my ancestry.
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Great, thank you as well for your input! I highly appreciate it !

I know what you mean Mr.Gazhole, when I put on 17 pounds of muscle in 2 years, only 1 pound of it went to my arms. :(

Since I am training naturally, do you think 500 - 800 calories extra per day will suffice?

And how much of a fan are you guys of creatine? I used to use it years ago, but always found I would lose everything when I discontinued it.
Any thoughts on this?

Thanks!
 
Just thought I'd throw another one in here, this is from today after my chest, shoulders and triceps workout.

Biggest issue is definitely my chest. I am pressing 80's on incline, I am wondering how much higher I need to get before I start seeing some actual nice size on my chest. I feel like I gain and gain, but my chest won't get bigger. But I guess 80's aren't that much compared to most of you guys here.

 
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It depends how much you worry about maintaining a lean look. If you care, do a clean bulk to minimize fat gain. If not, just BULK BULK BULK !
 
allnaturalkid87 said:
Great, thank you as well for your input! I highly appreciate it !

I know what you mean Mr.Gazhole, when I put on 17 pounds of muscle in 2 years, only 1 pound of it went to my arms. :(

Since I am training naturally, do you think 500 - 800 calories extra per day will suffice?

And how much of a fan are you guys of creatine? I used to use it years ago, but always found I would lose everything when I discontinued it.
Any thoughts on this?

Thanks!
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500 to start sounds fine. If in two weeks you havent gained, bump it up to 800 extra. An easy way to do this is by doing shots of olive oil or some other oil with smoothies or milk. It varies, but a tablespoon of oil equates to something like 135kCal.

Few of those in your regular shakes and you've got your extra calories already, and most people could stand to increase their unsaturated fat intake.

I dont generally take any sort of supplement past a multivitamin and something for my joints, but creatine is probably one of the few of them that has enough research to warrant taking it. Take about 5g a day, and don't bother with loading or cycling off it. Theres really no need to do either.
 
Gazhole said:
500 to start sounds fine. If in two weeks you havent gained, bump it up to 800 extra. An easy way to do this is by doing shots of olive oil or some other oil with smoothies or milk. It varies, but a tablespoon of oil equates to something like 135kCal.

Few of those in your regular shakes and you've got your extra calories already, and most people could stand to increase their unsaturated fat intake.

I dont generally take any sort of supplement past a multivitamin and something for my joints, but creatine is probably one of the few of them that has enough research to warrant taking it. Take about 5g a day, and don't bother with loading or cycling off it. Theres really no need to do either.
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I look forward to becoming Gazhole Jr. :) Thanks for the great advice!

Retlaw said:
:whackit: lol......... couldnt resist ! Yeah bro.. nice wheels !
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LOL ! Not sure if I should be creeped out or humbled by your compliment.
But thanks either way :jerkit:
 
gosh this guy is like a reversed popeye. those are big legs though, no homo
 
this is a crazy post. you're not sure if you want to gain weight or loose weight??

for what??

if all replies were for you to cut and loose weight, what would your lighter bodyweight be for?

and if everyone that replied said gain weight and bulk up, what would the heavier bodyweight be for?

curious
 
stepaukas said:
this is a crazy post. you're not sure if you want to gain weight or loose weight??

for what??

if all replies were for you to cut and loose weight, what would your lighter bodyweight be for?

and if everyone that replied said gain weight and bulk up, what would the heavier bodyweight be for?

curious
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I'm trying to become around 215lbs at around 10% body fat. Right now I am about 198lbs at 15% body fat. So I was wondering if I should cut down to 10% and then go on another bulk, or if I should just bulk it and cut down after.
 
allnaturalkid87 said:
Nothing beats a beaver burger
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I think this entire group was thrown off by your killer wheels and no one caught the beaver burger comment.

I am in 100% agreement with beaver. I can't get enough beaver myself even if I have to club:paddle: her, I mean it.:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
 
bad ass legs dude, i would bulk if i were you just because of your upper body. you arent fat by any means so i would worry about cutting yet. eat eat and eat and keep up the good work man.
 
allnaturalkid87 said:
Can I get your guys' expert opinions on some of my lifts. I want to make sure my form is proper. I accept all criticism and advice.

Me Squatting
Leg Press
Rack Deadlift
Barbell Row
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your form looks good to me on all those (dont really see how you can have bad form on leg press though). do you have a bad back? is that why you are doing half racked deadlifts? and with rows, i wouldnt drop them back to the safety bars just because i would rather have a full stretch of the muscle worked. so i would lighten up on the rows and do them outside of the rack. just my opinion though, only means jack to me!
 
big60235 said:
I think this entire group was thrown off by your killer wheels and no one caught the beaver burger comment.

I am in 100% agreement with beaver. I can't get enough beaver myself even if I have to club:paddle: her, I mean it.:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
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Hahahahaha!!! Yummmmmmmmmmmm !!!! I can't keep my hands off of her, errrr um it.

nova1970sb said:
bad ass legs dude, i would bulk if i were you just because of your upper body. you arent fat by any means so i would worry about cutting yet. eat eat and eat and keep up the good work man.
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Thanks for the kind words nova, the reason I believe my legs are what they are, is because at age 18 I weighed around 300 pounds, at about 50% body fat and I think my legs adapted to carrying my fat ass around, so even though I cut down and lost some size and strength in my legs, the muscle memory will always be with me :)

nova1970sb said:
your form looks good to me on all those (dont really see how you can have bad form on leg press though). do you have a bad back? is that why you are doing half racked deadlifts? and with rows, i wouldnt drop them back to the safety bars just because i would rather have a full stretch of the muscle worked. so i would lighten up on the rows and do them outside of the rack. just my opinion though, only means jack to me!
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Right, I just wanted to make sure I was coming back DEEP enough on my leg press. My back is a hit or miss. Some days it bothers me, some days it does not. My last back day, my lower back was giving me some issues so I decided to do rack lifts instead. I expect to do full range reps next work out. So instead of placing the Barbell on the rack for the rows, would you just continue to hold it? I always figured racking it for a second was the best way to do the exercise, maybe I was misinformed.

Thanks all again for your great contributions to helping make me a better amateur bodybuilder :)
 
i would let my arms go down as far as they can go, so you get full stretch of the muscle. but again thats just me.
 
I didnt expect to see legs like that after the upper body pics. Its clearly where all the weight is at. I would also say bulk but I sure as heck didnt expect to see such huge legs. For most people its the other way around. Big upper body and stick legs. Honestly I would have never matched those legs with that upper body. lol. No offense. Oh and congrats on your weight loss from 300lbs to 198. :clapping:
I do kinda feel bad telling him to bulk after he already lost 100lbs.
 
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how are you when you dont work out? do you get chubby or resort to bean pole or somewhere between? seems that we're all agreeing on bulk, you look like a real ectomorph but you weigh a lot for your height and dont look very bulky. just try increasing calories by a few hundred. you want lean mass, not lean mass and huge amounts of fat with it like me :sob: if you can gain mass and stay lean that is def the best course to take
 
awhites1 said:
how are you when you dont work out? do you get chubby or resort to bean pole or somewhere between? seems that we're all agreeing on bulk, you look like a real ectomorph but you weigh a lot for your height and dont look very bulky. just try increasing calories by a few hundred. you want lean mass, not lean mass and huge amounts of fat with it like me :sob: if you can gain mass and stay lean that is def the best course to take
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He confirmed in post#24 that he used to be 18years old 300lbs, 50%bf, and is now down to 198lbs. So I am guessing if he doesnt workout or eat properly, he will start getting fat again.
 
ectomorph141 said:
He confirmed in post#24 that he used to be 18years old 300lbs, 50%bf, and is now down to 198lbs. So I am guessing if he doesnt workout or eat properly, he will start getting fat again.
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my bad. didn't see them all

allnaturalkid87 said:
Correct. When I stop working out, I become a skinny-fat.
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yeah. dude dont do AAS then. just eat clean. sounds like you know what a pain in the ass it can be to lose weight. its easy to get carried away bulking. just eat a little more and powerlift
 
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