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M 1-T vs. MAD

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Just posting this for informational purposes for those that may be curious as to how methyl 1-test and methyl 4-AD compared FOR ME in terms of results over a two week period. I gave my 2 weeks M 1-T results in another thread, but will summerize again here:

Just did a two week cycle of methyl 1-Test (VPX brand) at 20 mg per day, split into four 5 mg doses. I was on just below maintenance calories and only an average of 75 g of carbs per day.


After 1 week off and using Aromadex at 12 cc all gains intact.

Starting stats:

-weight 230
-bodyfat 6%
-dumbell bench press (just for a strength measurement) 150s x 5

Ending stats:

-weight 234
-bodyfat 6%
-DBP 150s x 7

Sides...major lethargy for 7 days, but mild thereafter. Nothing else significant to report.

Just did a two week cycle of methyl 4-AD (VPX brand) at 250 mg per day, split into four equal doses. I was on just below maintenance calories and only an average of 75 g of carbs per day.


Starting stats:

-weight 234
-bodyfat 6%
-smith machine bench press to throat (strength measurement) 285 x 5


Ending stats:

-weight 238
-bodyfat 6%
-SMBPTT 335 x 5!


Sides...nothing really except for a few extra blemishes on skin (nothing major).

After being off for 2 days at this point, all gains intact with use of Aromadex at 12 cc per day.

Ok, comparing the two, I like MAD even better than M 1-T. Here's why...


-weight gain =
-water retention...none for either
-pumps/feeling of muscle fullness...better with MAD
-aggression in the gym...better with MAD
-strength...although I made nice gains in strength with M 1-T, the 50 lb jump with the SMBPTT was unreal to me...I was considerably stronger in all exercises with MAD, but only a few with M 1-T
-bodyfat unaffected with either
-NO lethargy with MAD...actually felt good all the time

Guess thats about it. Just wanted to give some solid feedback. I hope it was useful. If you have questions please ask.
 
What is the cost differential, for two weeks, with your given dosage?

Why did you choose that dosage for MAD?
 
Gopro when will this stuff be advailable to everyone?
Also, how many bottles would someone need for a two week cycle @ the dose that you was at?
NICE STRENGTH GAIN.
 
I dont know how you people gain weight out of thin air, because nothing does that to me unless its a couple pounds of water. I pulled back calories for 2 days and lost 5 pounds, keeping my size though thankfully.
 
Originally posted by Mudge
I dont know how you people gain weight out of thin air, because nothing does that to me unless its a couple pounds of water. I pulled back calories for 2 days and lost 5 pounds, keeping my size though thankfully.

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you (which of course would eventually result in even more weight loss for you).
 
Originally posted by 100%legalmass
Gopro when will this stuff be advailable to everyone?
Also, how many bottles would someone need for a two week cycle @ the dose that you was at?
NICE STRENGTH GAIN.

I hope soon! I'm gonna mention it today when bossman gets here. For a two week cycle you would need 84 cc. A bottle has 240 cc (although a 120 size may also be available).
 
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Originally posted by gopro
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you (which of course would eventually result in even more weight loss for you).

But will it get me shredded? ;)
 
Originally posted by Twin Peak
What is the cost differential, for two weeks, with your given dosage?

Why did you choose that dosage for MAD?

I think they will be priced similarly.

The dosage was discussed by me and Jack, but I really wanted to go with less at first (125 mg serving for the day). Then I discussed it with one other person (a very respected authority on performance enhancing drugs), and he said stick to the 250. So, that is what I did.
 
dam gopro i didnt expect the gains from m4ad to be equal to m1t . i thought you will b bloated as hell from m4ad. i think if 2 are stacked it will yeild to a cool cycle
 
careful with them stacked bro...they are both good alone but they are also both 17aa's...wich means they will eat your liver...17aa's are why oral steroids are more dangerous than injectable....
 
blah blah blah :zzz:
 
Originally posted by Mudge
But will it get me shredded? ;)

Haha that's all that matters man.
 
Great info Eric! Keep it coming.:thumb:
 
pics, Pics, PICS....all you people want are damn pics!! :D

Anyway, it has been about 4 days since I am off of MAD and my weight is holding steady. I am using a cocktail of supplements right now that simply works amazingly.

For all of those naysayers out there that thought that MAD would suck or produce all kinds of negative effects...well, sorry, you were wrong. In fact, I think its better than M 1-T. However, I will say that staying on a very clean diet probably had alot to do with my lack of water retention, but, I also cannot imagine how strong and big I would have gotten on a more traditional offseason diet! I really like MAD.

Anyway, please stay away from stacking these two products unless you will be willing to do a half dose of each. Your liver is truly a vital organ...take care of it.
 
of course you like MAD you are paid too not mess up this thread but i think it will be more believable when members with no affiliation with vpx try it out and m1t and tell there results. IMO
 
Originally posted by jmr1979
of course you like MAD you are paid too not mess up this thread but i think it will be more believable when members with no affiliation with vpx try it out and m1t and tell there results. IMO

I am not paid to "not mess up this thread," so don't go there. In fact, the CEO has been waiting on my comments as well as the feedback I get from many others BEFORE he even makes any more MAD to be released to the public. Basically, if I tell him I think the stuff is not worth it, he will scrap it and move onto something else...no ifs, ands, or butts! There are several smaller companies out there selling MAD and this thread is actually an "advertisement" for them more so than VPX b/c we aren't even selling it yet.

My reported results are simply an honest look at what this compound did for me...end of story.

(and as far as M 1-T...there is more than enough info out there to prove that it is the REAL DEAL whether you get VPXs version or anyone elses)
 
Originally posted by prolangtum
100-250mgs of methyl anything isnt too great for the ol liver...

True, but when you are smart and use it for only 2 weeks and have your bloodwork done you will be fine. It is those "geniuses" that stay on methylated compounds for weeks on end that have the problems.
 
Originally posted by prolangtum
Going to a lab and getting bloodwork doesnt fix damage
I think the point here is to do the bloodwork while on cycle and before the damage is done.
 
Originally posted by prolangtum
Going to a lab and getting bloodwork doesnt fix damage

But it CAN help you do less damage and make sure that the damage does not get out of hand. It can tell you how long it takes for you to begin to see damage and at what doses.

Regardless, a 2 weeks cycle would not cause damage in 99% of healthy individuals.
 
2 weeks isn't long, and I agree that 99% of people probably can do it. Some people already have a fatty liver and dont even know it, so if you want to push things, get tested first, you may have high liver values and not even be on anything or be much of a drinker.

I know a 29 year old exactly in this situation, not a drinker and high liver values, she got tested not too long after she lost her mother in her 60s due to chirrosis - not a drinker.
 
Originally posted by jmr1979
of course you like MAD you are paid too not mess up this thread but i think it will be more believable when members with no affiliation with vpx try it out and m1t and tell there results. IMO


vpx affiliation or not i think gopro is a straight shooter..and a good guy...i trust him...it aint like hes a biotest pimp tryin to push mag 10 all the time


i would like to see pics though
 
Originally posted by Power Rabbit
vpx affiliation or not i think gopro is a straight shooter..and a good guy...i trust him...it aint like hes a biotest pimp tryin to push mag 10 all the time


i would like to see pics though

He is a fraud. When I met him in Vegas he was 110 pounds soaking wet. So he won't post pictures. :D
 
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