Marijuana and Bodybuilding: The Truth

[Randy]

GR, if you knew half of what you think you know you really might amount to something. What is really funny is that you are a piece of shit white trash punk that tries to act like a black dude. That is hilarious. You even come across like you're the authority of almost every topic I've seen you involved with. So if anyone is a bitch, it is your pathetic ass. I am open-minded and I don't care who it is, if you make sense I will listen.

Now I agree that there was something to be learned from this thread... In fact your Internet article was pretty interesting. The only thing I didn't agree with was the fact that they implied that marijuana didn't impact ones learning while high . I'm sorry, but if most are high, it will impact you one way or another. I know that 90 percent of those I knew who got high while in class failed miserably, or scored low. And like I said any drug can be a gateway.... But I don't think those disagreeing have closely read what was said.. They keep coming back with incompetent remarks implying that I am saying marijuana and other drugs is in all cases a gateway to others. I never stated that, I said "IT COULD BE". How could anyone argue that it COULD BE. That is like saying that nothing is possible.

 

[CowPimp]

Originally posted by Randy
GR, if you knew half of what you think you know you really might amount to something. What is really funny is that you are a piece of shit white trash punk that tries to act like a black dude. That is hilarious. You even come across like you're the authority of almost every topic I've seen you involved with. So if anyone is a bitch, it is your pathetic ass. I am open-minded and I don't care who it is, if you make sense I will listen.

Now I agree that there was something to be learned from this thread... In fact your Internet article was pretty interesting. The only thing I didn't agree with was the fact that they implied that marijuana didn't impact ones learning while high . I'm sorry, but if most are high, it will impact you one way or another. I know that 90 percent of those I knew who got high while in class failed miserably, or scored low. And like I said any drug can be a gateway.... But I don't think those disagreeing have closely read what was said.. They keep coming back with incompetent remarks implying that I am saying marijuana and other drugs is in all cases a gateway to others. I never stated that, I said "IT COULD BE". How could anyone argue that it COULD BE. That is like saying that nothing is possible.

I also know people who get straight As at good colleges being stoned. I don't think it's the learning that gets impacted, I think it's the attention span and the want to learn that are affected. If I'm stoned in a boring class, then I can just daydream all day instead of listening to the teacher if I am stoned. The high is my entertainment. If I'm not stoned, then I just listen so that I don't get bored.

You have to do what works for you. I don't like being stoned in class. Unless it's a class that I really enjoy, I have more trouble paying attention because I don't feel like learning the nonsense. If something interesting comes along, then I have less trouble listening. I can learn just fine at that point.

Please just end the arguing here. Not only has this thread gotten completely off topic, but it has turned into a worthless argument. This thread is supposed to be about bodybuilding and marijuana.

Basically, there is no proof that marijuana significantly impacts the results of a workout program. There is the potential for gains to be reduced because of lower testosterone levels (A numerical representation of the decrease would make an assessment of the situation much easier), but there is still no scientific proof that results are impacted significantly. As well, it has been my experience that it doesn't. I have smoked marijuana while doing a weight lifting program, and I have had many friends smoke during a program as well.

 

[Ralphie]

The number four person in my class is a huge pothead. Across the board A's, his gpa is actually a 100.19, we use a hundred scale. Hes taking all Aps and scores very well on all tests.


Then again I can think of a million other ones where its the opposite, thats why studies are needed.

In all cases of debate, if there is a study and proves it, then it is so, no common sense bs. Too opionated.

 

[CowPimp]

Originally posted by Ralphie
The number four person in my class is a huge pothead. Across the board A's, his gpa is actually a 100.19, we use a hundred scale. Hes taking all Aps and scores very well on all tests.


Then again I can think of a million other ones where its the opposite, thats why studies are needed.

In all cases of debate, if there is a study and proves it, then it is so, no common sense bs. Too opionated.

It just completely depends on the person. Some people can do it, and some people can't. If you can't do it, then don't.

The other thing I notice about pot smokers is they have a lot less trouble quitting or cutting down in comparison to frequent users of other drugs. Most everyone I know that used to be a huge pothead has cut down significantly or quit according to what they are capable of handling.

 

[Randy]

I agree, in fact I already mentioned that. Some can do well, some can't. But out of respect for the teachers and yourself I think it is ridiculous to get high in class, and disrespectful to the teacher. If you're that bored with the class you shouldn't be taking it (period!). I know that if I was a teacher and had people coming into my class high I would toss their asses out on their ear.

Now as far as those marijuana smokers having problems quitting.
Well basically as everyone knows, you can develop a psychological addiction. I think if you are one that has strong will power and are the type of person who can accomplish what you put your mind to then you can do just about anything. Again, you are drawn to the habit psychologically, not physically.

Originally posted by CowPimp
It just completely depends on the person. Some people can do it, and some people can't. If you can't do it, then don't.

The other thing I notice about pot smokers is they have a lot less trouble quitting or cutting down in comparison to frequent users of other drugs. Most everyone I know that used to be a huge pothead has cut down significantly or quit according to what they are capable of handling.

 

[Randy]

Ralphie,

Once again I feel that your comments are senseless....

Why do you need tests to show students study habbits on marijuana? So your saying if the tests reveal that students grades are not affected that it is ok to get high in class...(What a twit?)

Again...Use common sense you moron. Common sense tells you that whether your grades are affected by smoking marijuana in class or not, that you still shouldn't do it.

I can drink alcohol and get high before class too. I'm sure it would not affect my grades.... but does this mean I should do it?

Ralphie you newbie.... I think you better go suck your thumb.

Originally posted by Ralphie
The number four person in my class is a huge pothead. Across the board A's, his gpa is actually a 100.19, we use a hundred scale. Hes taking all Aps and scores very well on all tests.


Then again I can think of a million other ones where its the opposite, thats why studies are needed.

In all cases of debate, if there is a study and proves it, then it is so, no common sense bs. Too opionated.

 

[Ralphie]

Originally posted by Randy
Ralphie,

Once again I feel that your comments are senseless....

Why do you need tests to show students study habbits on marijuana? So your saying if the tests reveal that students grades are not affected that it is ok to get high in class...(What a twit?)

Again...Use common sense you moron. Common sense tells you that whether your grades are affected by smoking marijuana in class or not, that you still shouldn't do it.

I can drink alcohol and get high before class too. I'm sure it would not affect my grades.... but does this mean I should do it?

Ralphie you newbie.... I think you better go suck your thumb.

"Once again I feel that your comments are senseless...."
What the hell, I cannot offer some insight into the topic? senseless why is that? I'm simply stating something that I know... want me to go back and show you how many times you have made senseless comments with your experience related posts?


And stop putting words into my mouth, I never said it was ok to get high in class. I have NEVER gone to class high and I don't think its a good idea to. Where the hell did I say that kind of rubbish? Exactly, I didn't.

I'm a newbie ? I guess its because I feel like studies and scientific evidence mean something in a debate/arguement, whereas personal experiences and opinions only go so far. They can back up evidence, but they don't make facts like scientific DATA does.

 

[Randy]

Ralphie...You need to grow up my friend.... I hope you don't need studies and scientific evidence to realize that (Just take my word for it)

Your stating something you know? That is the problem! What your stating had nothing to do with my topic

Sure you can go back and find sensless posts of mine. I post em all the time. But when I do, you can clearly see I am joking. But when your in a serious discussion and you post nonsense that don't relate to the topic then that is ridiculous.

Further more, stop PMing me. Damn Do you have a mission to prove that your more stupid then you come across?

AND RALPHIE BUD....CONGRATULATIONS, YOU HAVE BEEN ADDED TO MY IGNORE LIST... Damn what a moron

 

[Ralphie]

Why do I have to state something in lines with "your" topic..
I can post any information I deem relevent.

and dude, wtf when I pmed you I was just asking a question.

Then you started pming me back without shit totally off topic... you even told me that it had no point.. your reply that is.. and I asked you to stop...
................

 

[SJ69]

F anyone who thinx they know it all and thinks their sh1t don't stink. I aced organic chem, genetics, biochem all easy as shit and I can bench 300 (not impressive, but not pussy sht either)
And you know what? I did it all and was never afraid of enjoying life. To each his own, but don't preach.

 

[SJ69]

Well, FWIW, I don't condone getting high IN CLASS.
Sorry if I didn't completely read the thread.
I was just sayin' to each his own but on his own time.
Of course it's not cool at all to get high IN CLASS.

 

[SJ69]

No agrument Randy.
I agree.
Get high if you want, just don't disrespect the teacher, class etc

 

[Randy]

SJ69,

Thanks Bro...

Originally posted by SJ69
No agrument Randy.
I agree.
Get high if you want, just don't disrespect the teacher, class etc

 

[squanto]

and hooray, sj69 has said it, only took you guys 4 pages of bickering over senseless bullshit to realize!

 

[Randy]

I hear ya bro.

I guess just lots of thick heads.
Or clouded heads from all that damn marijuana.

 

[gr81]

Originally posted by squanto
and hooray, sj69 has said it, only took you guys 4 pages of bickering over senseless bullshit to realize!

I was not squabling, in fact I was the only one here to drop factual information on you folks so you could learn something instead of just going off what the so called expert Randy thinks.

 

[Ralphie]

Hey hey now bro, I may not have posted any studies, but I could have. I am fellow erowid user as well, as well as many other sites.. Lycaeum... the hive... bluelight... murples forums

I think you and I may surf some of the same forums (besides this one of course )

 

[gr81]

hell ya bro, erowid is the shit!! I have hit up bluelight before as well. ha ha. I was really speaking towards a few others who know who they are, ya dig. keep up the good work, ha ha.

 

[Randy]

GR and Ralphie....I want to be just like you when I grow up

 

[gr81]

if you grow up that is....

 

[BigBallaGA]

KIDS DONT USE DRUGS !!!!!!!!!

i dont want to pay for your welfare and other social servies with my tax money

 

[Ralphie]

Originally posted by gr81
hell ya bro, erowid is the shit!! I have hit up bluelight before as well. ha ha. I was really speaking towards a few others who know who they are, ya dig. keep up the good work, ha ha.

I used to be really big into the bluelight scene as well as the rhodium.... not sure if the site is still up for that one.. prolly is..

was like www.rhodium.ws
or something...

The Hive was hardcore.. but ol bluelight was the best.. for the common folk.. without... a masters in chemistry... that is

 

[Spitfire]

First I cant believe i join to late to be in these conversations so i want to "bump" this thread
OK i am a habitual marijuana user it does not make me lazy I smoke everyday before I go to the gym, if anything it helps me focus. and it helps eat my newly aquired diet of 6 meals a day

 

[willus72]

Originally posted by Ralphie
And if you really want to get into the subject, I'd be happy to inform you just how harmless heroin is to the body in actuality. Its far safer (in respect to actual damage to the body) than a majority of other drugs out there, even weed or coke.

Heroin is an semi-synthetic opiate, its actually used by hospitals in the UK. Heroin functions the same way morphine does and for that matter most other opiates/opiods. Vicodin, coedine, etc....

ooh lets get into it! you can talk all the mumbo jumbo crap you want but im still gonna say your full of shit! i dont mean to sound like a dick but ive spent over 2 years of my life addicted to heroin and harmless is not at all the word to use. not even including the mental affects it has on ones body it it is very harmful. 3 of my closest friends have died in the past 2 years from heroin overdoses. that to me is pretty harmful. ive seen huge absesses on people from dirty shit. my girlfriend has od'd died and come back 3 times from the shit. i spent countless nights in the hole in prison detoxing, puking, sweating, cramping, and shitting myself coming off of it. then on a mental note in kills all sence of motivation, self-respect, cleanliness, it basically makes you mentally numb to the world. all one cares about is not getting sick. the night i went to prison i was so sick i got drunk to try to ease the pain. in the combo i ended up in jail with charges of agg assult, simple assult, wrecklace endangerment, assult with a deadly weapon, unlawful restrain, and unlaweful imprisonment. i was 17 years old looking at 7-10 years state time. i apologize if i am a little sensitive to tghis subject but i feel it is the most harmful drug out there. and i can honestly say i have done every drug under the sun. i am speaking from personal experiance not written shit, and not heresay. on top of the effects it physically and mentally has on ones body there are the harms surrounding it. i have been mugged, shot at and beaten trying to cop in the city. so harmful, yes it is. nobody can tell me otherwise. it may be benefitial in medicinal uses but that is to ease pain and nothing else. my girlfriend just had a child with no drugs then shortly after had her wisdom teeth pulled with no drugs because she knows the harm of it. please dont speak wrecklassly, or uninformed. if it is something you want to mess with it is your body have at it, but PLEASE do not spread any rumors that it is harmless because it is VERY harmful! please do not take any offence to this because that is not what it is meant to me. i am just very sensative towards the subject because i personally know the dangers.

 

[gr81]

great post man. It is very noble for you to share your experiences with us and my best wishes go out to you brotha. I don't know what your current situation is but I hope that you are in treatment and are succeeding with all of that. I wish you the best with your battling the disease of addiction. Stay strong and keep yoru head up.

 

[willus72]

Originally posted by Randy
I agree, in fact I already mentioned that. Some can do well, some can't. But out of respect for the teachers and yourself I think it is ridiculous to get high in class, and disrespectful to the teacher. If you're that bored with the class you shouldn't be taking it (period!). I know that if I was a teacher and had people coming into my class high I would toss their asses out on their ear.

Now as far as those marijuana smokers having problems quitting.
Well basically as everyone knows, you can develop a psychological addiction. I think if you are one that has strong will power and are the type of person who can accomplish what you put your mind to then you can do just about anything. Again, you are drawn to the habit psychologically, not physically.

randy you hot the nail on the head. people are looking to deep into things but here is why people say say that marijuana is addictive.

it is because of the people who feel they are strong willed and can quit anytime they want. they think that they are fine and they continue to smoke. and since they never think they have a problem (which in all actuality they may) they never stop smoking. which is an addiction. plain and simple. many people can say "i can quit whenever i want" but because they truelly beleive this they dont try. and if for a bet or personal proof they may quit for a period of time but it is very rare that it lasts perminatly.

as for marijuana being a gateway drug this is also something that is looked to closely at. this claim is made because it opens up a new door. once you do one thing illegal it makes others okay. when a person is brought up properly they are made to believe that breaking the law is wrong. once this mindset is broken it is very hard to get back which opens the gate to more illegal activities. the same can be said about any other drug OR llegal activity for that matter. the reason weed is so contrivertial to this matter is BECAUSE it is so socially acceptable and many people who experimant do not go on to other things. that is not to say that the gate is not open and it would be possible to aquire other drugs or try other drugs. basically it takes away that fear of the law and offeres other possibilitys, other gates so to say.

 

[willus72]

thanks, you truelly are great, one. lol but to bring you current on my situation i am now almost 2 years clean. i take very much pride in those two years because with the exception of my son i feel that it is the greatest accomplishment of my life. thanks again

 

[Randy]

Willus72,

Congratulations, you should be very proud of yourself. Keep up the good work. I quit smoking weed years ago and never have even a small urge to start back. Some things are best just left alone . I quit drinking about 4 years ago I believe. It most definately is a good feeling when you can drop these bad habits..
Leading a healthy lifestyle is much more important. In my opinion all that weed does is cloud your brain amongs other things.

Again, Great Job Willus72!

 

[gr81]

awesome man. Hey I have always been fascinated with addiction in general and have spent alot of time researching about it. I am currently readin a book by Dr Drew (from Loveline) who is an addiction medicine specialist. The book is called Cracked and I think its a good read. He basically just talks of his experiences throughout his time at his hospital dealing with patients. I would reccommend it. Anyways that great about your son. keep it up playa.

 

[willus72]

thanks randy, but you should pat yourself on the back weed and alcohol are the two drugs that are hardest to quit doing, mainly because society puts out the beleif that their not "too" bad. yes it is a great feeling, to accomplish something so many others ike ralphie have failed at,lol. and by the way i love your sig, i just wanted to let you know that you may get robbed for it at some point,lol.

gr81 that book sounds great you are right it is a very interesting and emotional topic. can that book be had at barnes$noble etc...? oh and michael says hi hes 2y/o and cant wait to get to the gym, lol!