Marijuana and Bodybuilding: The Truth

[CowPimp]

Originally posted by Riptide
Just my 2 cents...

1) There is a correlation between smoking dope and using other drugs. Is there a causation, however? No, I don't think so. I agree with the earlier poster that mentioned it being a gateway to meeting people that use other things, however. But the drug itself does not cause you to use something else directly.
2) Making a barbeque pit out of your lungs is bad. Period. I don't buy anyone who says it's harmless to your lungs. Is it as bad as tobacco? Probably not. Anyone who has taken a bong hit off a cigarette knows the truth.
3) Legalizing, taxing, and regulating all currently illicit drugs is worth trying. Your grandma is not going to go out and do coca just because it became legal to obtain. Neither would I. The few that would be silly enough to do that just because the guvumit gave them a green light? Social darwinism in action. That problem will solve itself.
4) Smoking dope effects different people in different ways. Some are more prone to become mentally addicted than others. I've known people that did good in school on it and others that allowed it to completely interfere with other responsibilities in life. This is a gray area.

Just a few thoughts, I know some of this was touched on already.

Good points.

1) Finally, someone said it clearly. There is a correlation between marijuana usage and other drugs, but it is not the fault of marijuana. The reasons behind that are many.

2) Of course marijuana is not good for you. Any smoke you inhale is bad for your respiratory system. However, there has not been one reported case of marijuana directly causing the death of even one person.

3) Agreed, but I still think there should be programs out there to help those who get addicted and cannot help themselves.

4) Indeed. People react differently to every drug. No one is the same, and their reactions to drugs aren't going to be the same either.

 

[BobtheBuilder]

I'ts tough to be mota vated.

 

[CowPimp]

Originally posted by BobtheBuilder
I'ts tough to be mota vated.

Haha, good one mang.

 

[CowPimp]

Oh, I have something interesting to ad to the original topic of the thread. I quit smoking a little over 2 weeks ago and I haven't noticed any difference in terms of gains. In fact, my rep range week suffered a little bit, but I think that is because of other factors. I highly doubt quitting was actually bad for me. Peace.

 

[Randy]

CowPimp.... I sure have known a lot of smokers who have said that time after time after time after time again...
"I quit smoking 2 weeks ago!" Then a week or 2 later they are smoking again

I truly hope you mean it though bro... Smoking does nothing but cause you harm. And if you're referring to weed, that is better but still smoking is not good on the ole lungs.

Give us another progress report bro in 6 months

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

i dont know what would be harder to quit

Masturbating or smoking

Prolly masturbating

smoking is easy to stop for me

I can go a pack everday for 2 weeks just for the hell of it
and then go cold turkey and not ever want on again

 

[Randy]

Originally posted by myCATpowerlifts

I can go a pack everday for 2 weeks just for the hell of it
and then go cold turkey and not ever want on again

That statement sounds senseless....
I feel for those who have a severe habit of smoking and have difficulty quitting.

I have no compassion at all for those who swear they can quit with no problem, but decide on their own free will to poison themselves by continuing to smoke. That is sad, and I sure wouldn't admit that to anyone

 

[PreMier]

Originally posted by Randy
That statement sounds senseless....
I feel for those who have a severe habit of smoking and have difficulty quitting.

I have no compassion at all for those who swear they can quit with no problem, but decide on their own free will to poison themselves by continuing to smoke. That is sad, and I sure wouldn't admit that to anyone

Yes, CATS is a sad person... or atleast a sad excuse for one. haha

 

[gr81]

Randy, your statement is the senseless one. Its called ADDICTION dude, and it is a disease, a serious one at that. you shouldn't be so quick to judge till you walk in someone elses shoes. You think people just choose to become dependant on a substance and lose complete control over their life? Addicts are not weak-willed people, they deserve our compassion and support not our judgements and criticisms

 

[Randy]

Originally posted by gr81
Randy, your statement is the senseless one. Its called ADDICTION dude, and it is a disease, a serious one at that. you shouldn't be so quick to judge till you walk in someone elses shoes. You think people just choose to become dependant on a substance and lose complete control over their life? Addicts are not weak-willed people, they deserve our compassion and support not our judgements and criticisms

Originally posted by myCATpowerlifts
I can go a pack everday for 2 weeks just for the hell of it
and then go cold turkey and not ever want on again

GR,

You're obviously oblivious to my point. I know very well the havoc addiction can have on a person. I think that you may have one yourself GR. It must be affecting your brain

If MyCATpowerlifts implied he had an addiction, I would have been more than sympathetic.
Did you bother to read the post at all? If you did, you could clearly see that his post implied the exact opposite, which prompted my derogatory statement.

Do us all a favor GR and pull your head out of your for 5 minutes, and put down that marijuana, you might be able to think clearly

 

[CowPimp]

Originally posted by Randy
CowPimp.... I sure have known a lot of smokers who have said that time after time after time after time again...
"I quit smoking 2 weeks ago!" Then a week or 2 later they are smoking again

I truly hope you mean it though bro... Smoking does nothing but cause you harm. And if you're referring to weed, that is better but still smoking is not good on the ole lungs.

Give us another progress report bro in 6 months

I don't plan on quitting permanently. I just like to quit now and again for a few reasons. Right now the main reason is that I am trying to get a job and a lot of employers piss test. I would never quit permanently. If moderated properly, the health risks are very minor and I find my overall quality of life is better if I can relax and take a couple of bong hits whenever I feel the need.

 

[Randy]

Originally posted by CowPimp
I don't plan on quitting permanently. I just like to quit now and again for a few reasons. Right now the main reason is that I am trying to get a job and a lot of employers piss test. I would never quit permanently. If moderated properly, the health risks are very minor and I find my overall quality of life is better if I can relax and take a couple of bong hits whenever I feel the need.

We all have our vises Cowpimp... If the vise poses no threat for addiction, and is used in moderation then it can yield positive results. As you pointed out "Relieving stress". But in the previous scenario where one is smoking 2 packs of cigarettes knowing the addiction attributes, and to say they can quit for weeks thereby implying no addiction, well one question comes to my mind "Why the hell would they smoke at all?"

 

[CowPimp]

Originally posted by Randy
We all have our vises Cowpimp... If the vise poses no threat for addiction, and is used in moderation then it can yield positive results. As you pointed out "Relieving stress". But in the previous scenario where one is smoking 2 packs of cigarettes knowing the addiction attributes, and to say they can quit for weeks thereby implying no addiction, well one question comes to my mind "Why the hell would they smoke at all?"

Well most of the time when people say that they aren't addicted they just don't know it because they have never tried to quit. There are some people who can smoke sometimes and control it, but most people cannot.

 

[Randy]

Originally posted by CowPimp
Well most of the time when people say that they aren't addicted they just don't know it because they have never tried to quit. There are some people who can smoke sometimes and control it, but most people cannot.

Originally posted by myCATpowerlifts
I can go a pack everday for 2 weeks just for the hell of it
and then go cold turkey and not ever want on again

Is that how you would interpret this statement Cowpimp?

If so, then I think you better read it a few more times, then read it again before going to bed. Then tell me again what you think in the morning

Oh, and MyCat.....no offense and nothing personal here... Just want you to know that.

 

[CowPimp]

Originally posted by Randy
Is that how you would interpret this statement Cowpimp?

If so, then I think you better read it a few more times, then read it again before going to bed. Then tell me again what you think in the morning

Oh, and MyCat.....no offense and nothing personal here... Just want you to know that.

I didn't misinterpret the statement. As I said, most people that say they aren't addicted have never tried to quit. That did not encompass myCAT. Then I said there are some people who can control it, which does include myCAT. I guess I just didn't really respond directly enough to the comment you made; I can see why you would view my statement that way.

Smoking cigarettes occasionally has the same effect as drinking occasionally if it something that a person enjoys. It can assist someone in relaxing or feeling better. However, I wouldn't consider smoking a pack every day for 2 weeks moderation. Maybe a pack every 2 weeks is what I would consider moderation. In my opinion, the negative effects certainly outweigh the benefits if you smoke a pack a day for two weeks.

 

[Randy]

Originally posted by CowPimp
I didn't misinterpret the statement. As I said, most people that say they aren't addicted have never tried to quit. That did not encompass myCAT. Then I said there are some people who can control it, which does include myCAT. I guess I just didn't really respond directly enough to the comment you made; I can see why you would view my statement that way.

Smoking cigarettes occasionally has the same effect as drinking occasionally if it something that a person enjoys.


If you define a pack a day as occasional, I think you better lookup the meaning of the word "occasional".

It can assist someone in relaxing or feeling better. However, I wouldn't consider smoking a pack every day for 2 weeks moderation.


There are far better ways to relax than introducing yourself to something that you know has such high addiction qualities and something that you know kills you. If you're here to defend cigarettes then I think you're on the wrong forum .



Maybe a pack every 2 weeks is what I would consider moderation. In my opinion, the negative effects certainly outweigh the benefits if you smoke a pack a day for two weeks.


Who cares what you would consider moderation, that is not the point. The point once again is that if one clearly states that they can quit, but choses to smoke a pack a day for the hell of it, in my mind that is clearly sensless. What is funny is how senseless you or anyone else is who tries to defend cigarette smoking at all. Every smoker I know would clearly admit that it is unhealthy and wish they never started. What moron would try to defend smoking cigarettes Now Marijuana, which this thread is all about to begin with is a different story.

 

[Dipsh!t]

One of my friends back at high school, he started somke cigarette, then pot, then now into needles. what a waste... he works so hard to satisfy his needs.

I say better not to start is the best.

 

[Randy]

Originally posted by Dipsh!t
One of my friends back at high school, he started somke cigarette, then pot, then now into needles. what a waste... he works so hard to satisfy his needs.

I say better not to start is the best.

Now this is the wisest post I've seen all day
Kind of ironic coming from a Dipsh!t, Don't you think

 

[CowPimp]

Originally posted by Randy
If you define a pack a day as occasional, I think you better lookup the meaning of the word "occasional".

As you can see by sentence after next: "However, I wouldn't consider smoking a pack every day for 2 weeks moderation," I do not feel this way. Nowhere did I say that smoking a pack a day is occasional usage.

There are far better ways to relax than introducing yourself to something that you know has such high addiction qualities and something that you know kills you. If you're here to defend cigarettes then I think you're on the wrong forum .

Everyone finds something that helps them relax. Granted, smoking is not the best way to relax when you consider all of the damage it does to one's health. However, some people have trouble relaxing; if cigarettes can help these people find a way, then it might not be so bad if they can properly moderate their intake. If they have already tried cigarettes and know they can control their habit, then it might be a beneficial tool to help their mental status. However, people should not start smoking to see if it works well for them in this department because approximately 1/3 of all people who try cigarettes become addicted.

I'm not defending cigarettes. They kill ridiculous (400,000 Americans) amounts of people every year. However, not everything is one sided. Just because I have found one benefit of smoking cigarettes does not mean I defend them. As I said, "In my opinion, the negative effects certainly outweigh the benefits if you smoke a pack a day for two weeks." I'm just saying that if someone has already tried cigarettes and they know they can control themselves, then it is not the worst thing in the world.

Who cares what you would consider moderation, that is not the point. The point once again is that if one clearly states that they can quit, but choses to smoke a pack a day for the hell of it, in my mind that is clearly sensless. What is funny is how senseless you or anyone else is who tries to defend cigarette smoking at all. Every smoker I know would clearly admit that it is unhealthy and wish they never started. What moron would try to defend smoking cigarettes Now Marijuana, which this thread is all about to begin with is a different story.

Why is it senseless, and why do you need to start calling me senseless? You also imply that I am a moron because you believe that I am defending cigarettes. There is no need for name calling or personal attacks.

If cigarette smoking is something that they enjoy, then it makes a whole lot of sense. It doesn't make sense to you, but it makes sense to that person. Mentioning one positive aspect of smoking while acknowledging all of the negative aspects is not called defending cigarettes. It is called providing unbiased facts. You should try not to look at things in black and white.

 

[Randy]

Cowpimp,

While I do not understand how you can support cigarette smoking in any capacity, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.
That's all I have to say on this subject.

 

[Randy]

Originally posted by CowPimp
Why is it senseless, if cigarette smoking is something that they enjoy, then it makes a whole lot of sense.

Here is another bright statement by CowPimp...
You think that just because someone enjoys something that it makes a whole lot of sense. You sure have a lot to learn about life. How old are you?

People enjoy heroin, does that mean it makes a lot of sense.
Come on now CowPimp. You are talking very foolish here.

Here is a shovel CowPimp, care to dig yourself any deeper?

 

[CowPimp]

Originally posted by Randy
Here is another bright statement by CowPimp...
You think that just because someone enjoys something that it makes a whole lot of sense. You sure have a lot to learn about life. How old are you?

People enjoy heroin, does that mean it makes a lot of sense.
Come on now CowPimp. You are talking very foolish here.

Here is a shovel CowPimp, care to dig yourself any deeper?

I said as long as they properly moderate their intake. There is a difference between someone who smokes the occasional cigarette and someone who smokes a pack per day. The person who smokes the occasional cigarette has drastically reduced the chance of their health being affected while simultaneously taking advantage of the one positive aspect of cigarette smoking that I have mentioned, which is the one positive aspect of any drug: enjoyment and relaxation.

I don't think any drug is bad as long as it is properly moderated. If someone does heroin once every few months, then it's not so bad. The problem arises when they become highly addicted.

I'm not saying someone should try drugs for the first time because of the possibility of addiction. I'm saying that if someone can control their habit, then it is not such a bad thing if they take advantage of the positive effect that a drug can have on one's conciousness now and again.

You seem to have trouble separating the occasional usage of a drug and addictive behavior. I think one can be beneficial, but not the other. No drug should be used in excess, no matter how "harmless."

 

[Randy]

Originally posted by CowPimp
I don't think any drug is bad as long as it is properly moderated. If someone does heroin once every few months, then it's not so bad. The problem arises when they become highly addicted.

I can see it now. Cowpimp having his first discussion about drugs with his children.

Kids, I don't think any drug is bad as long as it is properly moderated. Now despite what your teachers tell you, doctors, anti-drug media, and everyone else ... If someone does heroin once every few months, then it's not so bad. The problem only arises when they become highly addicted...

Cowpimp.... I think you should stop now, your statements sound
completely ridiculous. I feel truly sorry for your kids if you have any now, or plan to have them in the future. I sure hope you get more sense by then and would never tell them what you stated here.

 

[CowPimp]

I would tell my kids never to start because you never know if you will become addicted. As I said before, these statement only apply to people who have already tried drugs and know they can control their habits. If you have never started, then you shouldn't because you are risking becoming addicted.

You are obviously just brainwashed by the media. There are safe ways of doing drugs, but it is hard for you to accept that. My opinion isn't changing and neither is yours. My argument ends here.

 

[Randy]

You are getting way out of the subject line Cowpimp.
All of your bullshit is based on my simple statement that why would someone intentionally smoke a pack a day when they claim they are not addicted and know the addiction factors and harm cigarretes can do. (Plain and simple!) Now where did all of your bullshit come from? You keep talking about shit that I never even brought up.... I'm done wasting my time with you CowPimp.

 

[Randy]

Originally posted by CowPimp
You seem to have trouble separating the occasional usage of a drug and addictive behavior. I think one can be beneficial, but not the other. No drug should be used in excess, no matter how "harmless."

Now where do you keep coming up with occassional usage? My entire comment was based on MyCat who clearly indicated he was smoking a pack a day...That is not occassional usage. And further more how can you condone 1 cigarette a day or 20... It has been proven time and time and time again they kill people. What is your arguement?????? If one smokes 1 a day and falls into your little classification of "Occassional use" Don't you think that could turn into an addiction knowing the addiction qualities of cigarrettes.... Get a clue Cowpimp.... Or why don't you try to prove me wrong... Go ahead and smoke a few cigarrettes every day Heck!!!! there nothing wrong with it in your clouded mind

 

[skinner3233]

i'll put it simply....there is a time for work.....and there is a time for play

 

[JACO1974]

I can't believe you idiots are talking about this on a public message board!!

 

[PreMier]

I can't believe you idiots are talking about this on a public message board!!

Yea, fuck what are they thinking. A cop will arrive at each of their houses in the next few minutes

 

[Randy]

Who is talking about what?