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Madmann
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Too much talk about that woman, just like Jacko.
Addiction is a disease and one of the main symptoms of the disease is overwhelming denial. Saying she wanted to die because she was an addict may or may not be true. But the fact is that addiction is a disease for which there is no cure, and abstinence is the only way to regain your ability to see reality and fully understand the consequences of your actions. Dealing with an addiction has little to do with willpower. Addicts are sick, not weak.
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It is so much more complicated than people say. Addiction can be a disease, but doesn't have to be. I know a lot of functional addicts. Nearly every tobacco user in the world is an addict, but would you say they have a disease? Does a 90-year-old man who has chewed tobacco for 80 years of his life have a disease?
Does my father who has drank and smoked for 60 years have a disease? The tough old bastard is still more active and productive than the majority of Americans. I know a lot of prescription drug addicts who make it to work everyday, take care of their families, and play a vital role in the American economy. Do they have a disease? I don't think so.
Medical literature is wrong about drugs. Medically speaking, every steroid user in this community is an abuser, and therefor an addict with a disease. I think everyone here can agree that is bullshit. I don't lump myself in with some crackhead living under a bridge for being on a cycle of testosterone. If I buy my gear from EK, doctors would say I have a disease. If I get it from a doctor, I have a medical condition (low testosterone).
The entire discussion is bullshit, because the words we use in the discussion haven't been properly defined.
Does my father who has drank and smoked for 60 years have a disease? The tough old bastard is still more active and productive than the majority of Americans. I know a lot of prescription drug addicts who make it to work everyday, take care of their families, and play a vital role in the American economy. Do they have a disease? I don't think so.
Medical literature is wrong about drugs. Medically speaking, every steroid user in this community is an abuser, and therefor an addict with a disease. I think everyone here can agree that is bullshit. I don't lump myself in with some crackhead living under a bridge for being on a cycle of testosterone. If I buy my gear from EK, doctors would say I have a disease. If I get it from a doctor, I have a medical condition (low testosterone).
The entire discussion is bullshit, because the words we use in the discussion haven't been properly defined.
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Good for you for turning things around for yourself. Once the disease progresses past a certain point, most people are unable to stop without help. The process and progression of the illness varies greatly between individuals. There is a big difference between abusing drugs or alcohol and full-blown addiction.
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I have done a bit of research, mostly on why it is that countries that legalize drugs actually see a decline in drug use, and from what I can tell it is treatment related. Those countries treat addiction as a mental health disease, and since they treat it as such the success rate is much higher.
You can call addicts weak...but if you've never been there then you have no idea what your talking about....Some people are predisposed to addiction...just like some people are predisposed to any disease....If your whole family has asthma does it make you weak if you have asthma? Alcoholism is a disease....I never believed it until it affected my life at a very personal level.....
the only thing Bill O'Reily is an expert at is running his mouth and causing controversy which increases his net worth with payments by advertisers on Fox...his game is old and weak but apparently many still fall for it.
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I think you kinda missed the point. If it is a "disease" that is passed down through genetics, then no, I wouldn't classify that person as weak. But, if you CHOOSE to fire up the pipe, then hell yeah..you're soft. It's not a disease if you CHOOSE to do it.
I think you kinda missed the point. If it is a "disease" that is passed down through genetics, then no, I wouldn't classify that person as weak. But, if you CHOOSE to fire up the pipe, then hell yeah..you're soft. It's not a disease if you CHOOSE to do it.
The disease concept
Substance Addiction has been recognized "officially" as a disease for many years now, but there is still a great deal of ignorance on the subject -even amongst the medical profession.
Addicts/alcoholics (people tend to separate the two, but from here on in I will use the term "addict" to cover the broad range of substance abusers) are seen as weak people with no will-power.
Want to know what will-power is?
It is waking up in the morning, so nauseous that you race to the bathroom and don't know which end to use first! After that initial wake-up purge, you then make your way shivering and shaking into the kitchen and drink an open, flat, warm beer that has a cigarette butt floating in it. Or because you are shaking so much, you drink that warm white wine that has been sitting out all night, through a straw since you can't hold a glass! You do this, choking back the bile that is rising in your throat, because you know that the only way to begin functioning again on some sort of level is to try and build up the alcohol in your system before you take a seizure.
Do you think drinking methylated spirits at 5am in the morning is an easy thing to do?
I have known many addicts whose veins in their arms and legs are so damaged, that they inject themselves in their eyeballs. Because going without their "hit" is a far worse option.
Addicts have plenty of will-power.......
...it's just focused in the wrong direction. Recovery teaches them us to refocus energy.
Back to the disease concept. Addiction is classified as a disease because it meets the criteria of all other terminal diseases:
- It has pattern of symptoms which are similar across all types of substance abuse
- It is a chronic condition. It doesn't go away.
- It is progressive. Addiction only gets worse with continued use, and ends with death.
- The person is subject to relapse. In Australia, 66% of addicts who are lucky to live long enough to make it to detox will eventually die as a direct result of the disease.
- It is treatable. Here's the good news, while substance addiction is a terminal illness, its progression can be arrested at almost any stage. But if you are seeking treatment, it is of the utmost importance that you gain medical advice. Sudden withdrawal, even from "socially acceptable" drugs such as alcohol, can cause death through seizures and coma.
It is crucial that you consult with a medical practitioner that understands addiction and withdrawal. Some well meaning, but uneducated doctors will prescribe large amounts of unsuitable medications that can lead to cross-addiction. This happened to me at one stage, and made a difficult situation worse. If you are addicted to one drug, the likelihood of becoming addicted to others is extremely high.
Wherever possible, detoxification is best carried out in a detox unit, where there is 24 hour patient care. There are a number of these units around the world, and in some cases (especially in Australia) there is no charge for this care.
When world governments begin to understand that the cost in providing this care free of charge is far outweighed by the benefits to society, we will begin to see an incredible drop in poverty, violence and divorce. The cost in providing this care will also be offset by the decrease in need of other hospitalization. 1 in 3 hospital beds in Australia are taken up by people with conditions that can be directly linked to drug abuse. At best, the world health systems overall are only currently providing band-aid solutions to one of the greatest scourges of mankind.
Are you thinking of getting help for yourself or a loved one?... do it now ... for tomorrow may be too late.
If you had terminal cancer, would you do anything about it?
Substance addiction is a far worse disease in my opinion -it not only destroys the person, but everyone around them.
To those who helped me all those years ago -doctors, nurses, friends and strangers - even though I may not have been appreciative at the time..... my sincerest thank you. My life means something now.
Addiction is a disease, not just a state of mind.
Michael Bloch
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Substance Addiction has been recognized "officially" as a disease for many years now, but there is still a great deal of ignorance on the subject -even amongst the medical profession.
Addicts/alcoholics (people tend to separate the two, but from here on in I will use the term "addict" to cover the broad range of substance abusers) are seen as weak people with no will-power.
Want to know what will-power is?
It is waking up in the morning, so nauseous that you race to the bathroom and don't know which end to use first! After that initial wake-up purge, you then make your way shivering and shaking into the kitchen and drink an open, flat, warm beer that has a cigarette butt floating in it. Or because you are shaking so much, you drink that warm white wine that has been sitting out all night, through a straw since you can't hold a glass! You do this, choking back the bile that is rising in your throat, because you know that the only way to begin functioning again on some sort of level is to try and build up the alcohol in your system before you take a seizure.
Do you think drinking methylated spirits at 5am in the morning is an easy thing to do?
I have known many addicts whose veins in their arms and legs are so damaged, that they inject themselves in their eyeballs. Because going without their "hit" is a far worse option.
Addicts have plenty of will-power.......
...it's just focused in the wrong direction. Recovery teaches them us to refocus energy.
Back to the disease concept. Addiction is classified as a disease because it meets the criteria of all other terminal diseases:
- It has pattern of symptoms which are similar across all types of substance abuse
- It is a chronic condition. It doesn't go away.
- It is progressive. Addiction only gets worse with continued use, and ends with death.
- The person is subject to relapse. In Australia, 66% of addicts who are lucky to live long enough to make it to detox will eventually die as a direct result of the disease.
- It is treatable. Here's the good news, while substance addiction is a terminal illness, its progression can be arrested at almost any stage. But if you are seeking treatment, it is of the utmost importance that you gain medical advice. Sudden withdrawal, even from "socially acceptable" drugs such as alcohol, can cause death through seizures and coma.
It is crucial that you consult with a medical practitioner that understands addiction and withdrawal. Some well meaning, but uneducated doctors will prescribe large amounts of unsuitable medications that can lead to cross-addiction. This happened to me at one stage, and made a difficult situation worse. If you are addicted to one drug, the likelihood of becoming addicted to others is extremely high.
Wherever possible, detoxification is best carried out in a detox unit, where there is 24 hour patient care. There are a number of these units around the world, and in some cases (especially in Australia) there is no charge for this care.
When world governments begin to understand that the cost in providing this care free of charge is far outweighed by the benefits to society, we will begin to see an incredible drop in poverty, violence and divorce. The cost in providing this care will also be offset by the decrease in need of other hospitalization. 1 in 3 hospital beds in Australia are taken up by people with conditions that can be directly linked to drug abuse. At best, the world health systems overall are only currently providing band-aid solutions to one of the greatest scourges of mankind.
Are you thinking of getting help for yourself or a loved one?... do it now ... for tomorrow may be too late.
If you had terminal cancer, would you do anything about it?
Substance addiction is a far worse disease in my opinion -it not only destroys the person, but everyone around them.
To those who helped me all those years ago -doctors, nurses, friends and strangers - even though I may not have been appreciative at the time..... my sincerest thank you. My life means something now.
Addiction is a disease, not just a state of mind.
Michael Bloch
michael@worldwideaddiction.com
http://www.worldwideaddiction.com
No I got the point and I totally agree.....sorry for the confusionI think you kinda missed the point. If it is a "disease" that is passed down through genetics, then no, I wouldn't classify that person as weak. But, if you CHOOSE to fire up the pipe, then hell yeah..you're soft. It's not a disease if you CHOOSE to do it.
Alcoholism is recognized as a Disease
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Werd! A soldier dies in Afghanistan and he's just another number with no name. This drugged out whore dies and everyone in the media can't stop talking about it. A dime-a-dozen politican gets some lead in her brain and gets a Navy ship named after her. Just burry the bitch already!
O'reilly is a shill and a buffoon.
He is free to have his opinion on addiction. But why does O'reilly come out of the woodwork and make these loud bombastic statements when a celeb dies.
Remember his tirade and yelling over Michael Jackson?
Ahh....ratings and book sales.....
He is free to have his opinion on addiction. But why does O'reilly come out of the woodwork and make these loud bombastic statements when a celeb dies.
Remember his tirade and yelling over Michael Jackson?
Ahh....ratings and book sales.....
I think you kinda missed the point. If it is a "disease" that is passed down through genetics, then no, I wouldn't classify that person as weak. But, if you CHOOSE to fire up the pipe, then hell yeah..you're soft. It's not a disease if you CHOOSE to do it.
the problem is the person doesn't know they have the disease until it's to late. it differs none from obesity. many have the genetic predisposition for easy weight gain while some of us can eat all the crap in the world and not gain a lb or even lose weight.
but all of this eludes the fact that most people are addicted to something. some to alcohol, some to drugs whether they are prescribed or found on the street, some to religion and prayer, some to gambling, some to lifting weights, etc...etc..etc...there are numerous ways to self-medicate some more destructive than others but they are all the same.
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o'reilly is 100% correct in this case...
i'm highly offended also that NJ flew flags at halfstaff for her today...this is an absolute insult to myself and most other veterans and families of lost combat vets i'm sure too
i'm highly offended also that NJ flew flags at halfstaff for her today...this is an absolute insult to myself and most other veterans and families of lost combat vets i'm sure too
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This isn't true. We know that actually that can be pretty smart & have highly developed brains which make them prone to drugs as the brain fails to keep up with the proper supple of nts either being secreted or having hyperactive transporters. It's similar to a mild state of Parkinson's chemically but with a different pathway.
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