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McCain sold his soul

Retarded much?

He didn't have nukes. He tried to make them before, but was stopped by the Israelis. The UN weapons inspectors found his plans to resume his bid to build nukes and they were help prisoner for a time.


No remember bush said he had wmd's. They found some plans that the Bush Administration put up on the internet for everyone to see.
 
Vent? I'm not angry. I'm just expressing my opinion.

Your right, I don't have the power to change anything in Washington. But wait, couldn't the same logic be applied to abortion. Aren't both issues voted on in congress? The way I see it, I have the same amount of power to sway the vote of legalizing abortion as I do to stay out of war. I have just 1 vote, which is not much power in the grand scheme of things.

The government needs a certain amount of free will to go to war. Otherwise, they'd be too slow to react to a crisis. They also couldn't act on knowledge that isn't (and perhaps, shouldn't) be public knowledge. The same cannot be said for abortion.


Fetuses are not children, btw.

Fetuses are humans, in the same way that a child and an adult are human. But I'll give you that point. After all, I don't consider Arabs to be human.
 
I don't think anyone who is against abortion is happy with innocent causalties in war, your analogy is stupid and doesn't prove any point. You are unable to defend abortion so you are trying to switch the subject. This thread isn't about causalties of a war, this is about people killing their unborn children. Try to stay on topic if possible, I know it is difficult. This is very similar to how any topic criticizing a liberal turns into "WELL BUSH DID [insert random thing]"

We are talking about killing babies, so you should also try to stay up to speed.
 
Ah so getting raped is doing something wrong. I know that is only a small fraction of cases.
Less than 1.5% of rape cases. The argument against this is if you get raped, why not use the morning after (Plan B) pill? Depending on your reported income, they can be as cheap as free. I believe retail price is $10.
 
Less than 1.5% of rape cases. The argument against this is if you get raped, why not use the morning after (Plan B) pill? Depending on your reported income, they can be as cheap as free. I believe retail price is $10.

Yeah, I agree here. The rape defence really should be dropped.
 
So, let me ask you this, if we simply removed our ability to go to war, would that make abortion not okay? :bulb:



What? hu? :hmmm:

No. our ability to go to war is not related to our ability to abort children.
 
We are talking about killing babies, so you should also try to stay up to speed.

Actually, this thread is about John McCain stating the Roe v Wade should be overturned. Roe v Wade is what is responsible for legalized abortion.
 
Actually, this thread is about John McCain stating the Roe v Wade should be overturned. Roe v Wade is what is responsible for legalized abortion.

Thank you for explaining what the thread title said, because I didn't understand it. I though Roe vs Wade was a football game. Lawl!
 
I think Wade was up until the 4th. Roe came in with a sweet final second field goal to seal the victory.
 
It worked so well for Kerry because he ran a shitty campaign and the CRAZY bible people came out in force to vote Bush again. Because Bush was a great choice the first time.

And Kerry looks funny.

Wait...so does McCain.
 
So then why are you tying them together?

They are related not by an ability to do one or the other. They are related because of the argument made by anti-abortionist that all life is precious, but the anti-abortionist are usually the same war mongering conservative republicans that need a war every 20 years. All life is precious, unless that life wasn't born in the US. That is what those people are saying. All life is precious, except when that life is standing in an area that could be harboring terrorist.

It is bullshit, and you know it. Either come up with a different argument to support banning abortions, are stop murdering innocent people. The ???all life is precious argument??? is flawed.
 
TThey are related because of the argument made by anti-abortionist that all life is precious

Wrong. I've said nothing of the sort. I've said that American infants shouldn't be killed like that.

I, in no way, think that all life is precious.
 
Wrong. I've said nothing of the sort. I've said that American infants shouldn't be killed like that.

I, in no way, think that all life is precious.

Whoops, you got me there. I got broger's excrement mixed up with your argument for banning abortion.

Hmmm, well that kind of kills the debate. :(
 
ok first of all i believe that abortion is a good thing in some cases. would you really want to keep a child that only came along because you were raped? also, just like someone pointed out earlier, the diehard republicans are going to complain either way, almost all of these babies that would have been aborted would live their life on welfare, another disgust in the eyes of ultra-conservatives. but after saying all that, abortion should never be necissary, every free clinic will give you birth control, and if it comes to it, even the morning-after pill. and stop saying that all the abortions are in the "ghetto", two of the highest ranking states in abortion percentages are texas and florda
 
ok first of all i believe that abortion is a good thing in some cases. would you really want to keep a child that only came along because you were raped? also, just like someone pointed out earlier, the diehard republicans are going to complain either way, almost all of these babies that would have been aborted would live their life on welfare, another disgust in the eyes of ultra-conservatives. but after saying all that, abortion should never be necissary, every free clinic will give you birth control, and if it comes to it, even the morning-after pill. and stop saying that all the abortions are in the "ghetto", two of the highest ranking states in abortion percentages are texas and florda

Black people live in Texas and Florida.
 
McCain is a retard.

Although I agree that Roe v Wade was a terrible interpretation of the constitution.... to the point of absurdity.

Putting aside all religious arguments, abortion devalues human life at its core.
 
McCaine is the media's favorite Republican... and it's not because he SAYS he is a Republican.
 
Putting aside all religious arguments, abortion devalues human life at its core.
And just what is the value of human life? Is this going to be another "degrees of devaluation?" Or is all human life worth the same, regardless of circumstances?
 
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