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CowPimp said:
Good stuff P. I don't have the knowledge to argue with him really. However, I do know that a lot of other strength coaches do utilize the movements, and I would like to see their arguments on the subject. Maybe we could convince T-Nation to have a roundtable discussion on the subject. Those are usually pretty kickass.


CowPimp said:
Good stuff P. I don't have the knowledge to argue with him really. However, I do know that a lot of other strength coaches do utilize the movements, and I would like to see their arguments on the subject. Maybe we could convince T-Nation to have a roundtable discussion on the subject. Those are usually pretty kickass.


he is pretty into Thibedeau and Cosgrove, speaking about the t-nation crowd.
everyone has their own way of doing things and you can see a lot of parallels between him and cosgrove at times. espcially with the undulating periodization.


If you have time, could you please tell us what he said about these two? I am interested in what he had to say about it.

Sure man. that is what i am hear for. to spread the word on new and interesting training ideas.....

Quad sets....Here is what he had to say. I will paraphrase from my notes:

Why waste time in the workout with rest? Why sit there? I want my athletes to get the biggest bang for their buck. We have an hour to get in everything we need to do so I want to use all of that hour and get the most density I can. His set up for a program is this:

pre-warm up
a) tissue density- foam roll
b) tissue length- stretch

mobility

resistance training

The resistance training was broken into quad-set pairings. His basic reasoning for this was that it makes the athlete work and do active rest, instead of just sitting around and wasting time. He said unless you are a competitive powerlifter or olympic lifter then there is no reason to just sit around and rest when you can be training other muscles or using time more effeciently. He would do one lower body movement, followed by an upper body movement, followed by a core execise and then by a dynamic stretch. By the time you get back to the squat, it has been about 5min (typical rest period for strength work) and you are ready to go. Your quads will be rested enough to complete the work needed and you accomplished more than just sitting around. He does 2 quad sets per workout.....one goes hip dominant, upper press, core, dynamic stretch and then the other would be quad dominant, upper pull, core, dynamic stretch. And then you are done. Workout is over. You already did all your stretching and abs during the workout. he also said he tests athletes strength every 3 weeks in the 1RM front squat, 1RM hang clean and 1RM bench press so that he can adjust his program which is a 12 week lay out. During the program they never do bilateral leg work. he said that he doesn't care if his athlete can squat 400lbs. That doesn't have crossover to a sport where 99% of the time he is on one leg and needs to be strong. So, he likes to keep it specific like that (can't argue with the results of his athletes either!! Lots of Olympians and Boston Bruins and ofcourse college basketball and Pro basketball players). As I said, the periodization is undulating using total body workouts....so day one might be 10RM, day two 5RM and day three 12RM.....or something to that effect. he said the only things that don't get quad sets are power exercises because they are to dynamic and require to much technique so they get tri-sets.....it would be something like hang clean followed by two different dynamic stretches. Power and strength are trained on the same day.


Okay, for the stretching pre-workout....again, paraphrased from my notes:

He said that in 25yrs he has never seen someone pull a muscle because they were stretching it cold. He also said that even though people always say it will decrease force output, from a prehab standpoint it is a great idea. When ever you go to physical therapy for an injury guess what the first thing they make you do is..."stretch this guy out. strech his hams, his calves, etc..". So, why wouldn't you do that all the time? The important thing is to increase the muscles plasticity. If the muscle is always stretched when it is warm then you are only allowing yourself to stretch that muscles fascia instead of sretching the collagen fibers.

It is funny though because when I think static stretches I think like 30sec holds. He was only doing 1sec holds....and here is the kicker....they were what he calls "3D stretches". He said that muscle fibers aren't completely in a straight line. So, if you only stretch one way (say, the typical hamstring stretch) then you are only stretchign the fibers that one way....in this case the fibers running more sagital. he then did this demonstration of the 3D stretches for the hams, piraformis and hip flexors with their 1sec holds and how you do them moving through all three planes (hence the name 3D). So, are they really static stretches? I gotta tell ya though....they felt fucking great!



hope that gives you guys something to think about.
 
Did he allow anyone to have a dictaphone to record the seminar?
 
Dale Mabry said:
Did he allow anyone to have a dictaphone to record the seminar?


people were recording the seminar.

he also videotaped it.
 
It seems to me like his idea is that short duration stretching proceeded by dynamic flexibility movments prevents the potential downsides of stretching pre-workout? Interesting layout for a workout.
 
CowPimp said:
It seems to me like his idea is that short duration stretching proceeded by dynamic flexibility movments prevents the potential downsides of stretching pre-workout? Interesting layout for a workout.


it is a great layout for a workout! It is funny because a lot of his stuff was stuff that I had already been implementing in my workouts or my clients (aside from the quad sets which I never really used) and I had never really read much of his stuff. I guess I just got a lot of it from reading a lot of other people that either influenced him or he himself had influenced. For example....I start my workouts with foam rolling and mobility work as well, use similiar types of periodization. I always though befor ethis lecture that he was all about something else. Something that i wasn't really into. I am glad to find out that I was in a greement with a lot of things he was saying.

Here is actually a funny story that surprised me when we went and did practical stuff today. I have been really working on mobility and dynamic hip flexability. For as long as I can remeber I have had a nasty posterior tilt when I squat below parallel. I haven't seen myself squat from a side view in a mirror in probably a good 2 years so I just always figured that tild was still there and still ugly as hell. Well, he had us do some mobility stuff for our hips that he calls quadraped rocking. Where you get in a four point quadraped stance and rock back trying to touch your heels to your butt while maintaining neutral spine and perlvic positions. Ofcourse he was right infront of me when I went to go do it so I was thinking..."here goes. i make an ass out of myself whne I can't do this." Well, I did it with perfect posture and ass almost to heels. he was like, "that is good! Now touch your butt to your heels." Well, to my surprise I watched in the mirror and I saw that I did it without that ugly tilt. So I said "this doesn't make sense? I have a terrible posterior tilt when I am in the bottom position though. Let me show you." I stood up....squated ATG and looked in the mirror and....I HAD NO TILT! He was like "you can nail that bottom position.". Amazing!! All the mobility work had paid off and i didn't even know it! lol
 
shiznit2169 said:
what exactly do you mean by a "nasty tilt"


Do you know what a posterior pelvic tilt is?
 
shiznit2169 said:


okay. So my posterior tilt was really really nasty. It was just a bad tilt.
 
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