Mild PH for first cycle

[Logman]

Slowing working up the balls to do a PH cycle. Looking for something mild as it's my first run. Other forums say H-drol is good, but it methylated. What's a good PH (hopefully available at Orbit) for a pill-popping virgin.

Also, does Orbit sell SERMs, and if not where do I get? And if I do something mild can I get away with a non-SERM PCT (like AIs, natty test boosters etc). Definitely don't want to add mass to my pecs by way of bitch tits.

Cheers.

 

[PushAndPull]

H-drol is probably the way to go
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[kevinhy]

H-Drol.

 

[Logman]

Outstanding, thanks. On the IronMagLabs site it says this is okay for PCT:

Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily
Ultra Male Rx - 1 cap daily
Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 2 caps daily

But should I not risk it and just go for the Clomid?

 

[gamma]

H-drol is probably the way to go
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[sofargone561]

tren. 90000mg a day. finally working up the balls? not trying to bew a dick but if you are scared about a ph then PH and AAS is not for you. this is getting old.

 

[MattPorter]

Slowing working up the balls to do a PH cycle. Looking for something mild as it's my first run. Other forums say H-drol is good, but it methylated. What's a good PH (hopefully available at Orbit) for a pill-popping virgin.

Also, does Orbit sell SERMs, and if not where do I get? And if I do something mild can I get away with a non-SERM PCT (like AIs, natty test boosters etc). Definitely don't want to add mass to my pecs by way of bitch tits.

Cheers.

Log,

It sounds like you understand the dangers of methylated orals and are hesitant.

Your safest bet OTC would be AndroMassv3 (for mass) or AndroHardv3 (recomp). --These are NOT methylated and orally active via--lymphatic absorption and also is dosed once-a-day which keeps hpta suppression to a minimum--(far less shut down from blood work that we ran on testers)

That being said -- Hdrol is a mild anabolic compound. Just keep the duration to 4-(6) weeks tops and take proper liver precautions.

-Matt

 

[Logman]

tren. 90000mg a day. finally working up the balls? not trying to bew a dick but if you are scared about a ph then PH and AAS is not for you. this is getting old.

Nut hug Ron Paul some more. Has does it feel to literally have another man's balls in your mouth?

 

[Logman]

Log,

It sounds like you understand the dangers of methylated orals and are hesitant.

Your safest bet OTC would be AndroMassv3 (for mass) or AndroHardv3 (recomp). --These are NOT methylated and orally active via--lymphatic absorption and also is dosed once-a-day which keeps hpta suppression to a minimum--(far less shut down from blood work that we ran on testers)

That being said -- Hdrol is a mild anabolic compound. Just keep the duration to 4-(6) weeks tops and take proper liver precautions.

-Matt

Thanks Matt. I've looked at Andro but had my doubts on it due to some feedback here.

What's the recommended PCT for AndroMass?

 

[sofargone561]

Nut hug Ron Paul some more. Has does it feel to literally have another man's balls in your mouth?

i will and i will neg you the rest of you ironmag life WELCOME

 

[MattPorter]

Thanks Matt. I've looked at Andro but had my doubts on it due to some feedback here.

What's the recommended PCT for AndroMass?

The only "somewhat" negative feedback we really had was with older version AndroLean -- just didn't pack the punch people expected it to.

Mass and Hard got great reviews -- and the updated versions got even more advanced with higher potency of androgens.

PCT should always be mandatory regardless of severity of cycle, that said, I hardly feel a Serm is necessary as d-aspartic acid, and perhaps triazole or another reputable pct product.

-Matt

 

[Logman]

i will and i will neg you the rest of you ironmag life WELCOME

Oh no, not a neg rep? How will I cope?

 

[sofargone561]

Oh no, not a neg rep? How will I cope?

well idk. youll probably cry in the closet. your to scared to even try a PH and you wanna bad mouth Dr. Ron Paul?

 

[Logman]

The only "somewhat" negative feedback we really had was with older version AndroLean -- just didn't pack the punch people expected it to.

Mass and Hard got great reviews -- and the updated versions got even more advanced with higher potency of androgens.

PCT should always be mandatory regardless of severity of cycle, that said, I hardly feel a Serm is necessary as d-aspartic acid, and perhaps triazole or another reputable pct product.

-Matt

Yea, I like Formaula X and recently did a mega stack of Formaula X, Titanium, Division 1, Anabolic-Matrix Rx, Ultra Male Rx and E-Control Rx. Hurt the wallet but it was good fun, heh. I think that stack might work for PCT on a mild PH.

 

[Logman]

well idk. youll probably cry in the closet. your to scared to even try a PH and you wanna bad mouth Dr. Ron Paul?

I think Ron Paul is the only hope for the US but I'm not about to suck his cock. Every other politician in the US is a corporate yes-boy and all should be executed.

 

[sofargone561]

I think Ron Paul is the only hope for the US but I'm not about to suck his cock. Every other politician in the US is a corporate yes-boy and all should be executed.

 

[Digitalash]

Personally I say fuck going mild, if you're gonna shut yourself down and have to pct might as well make it good. My first "cycle" was p-plex and I loved it <3


as for serms, I would always use one for pct regardless of how mild the cycle. Check the link in my sig and you can find everything you need

 

[ckcrown84]

Depends on your goals, here are two mild products. I do not sponsor them and am just speaking from personal experience.
Katanadrol is a cutting PH. "Katanadrol 2.0 is a high dosed version of Orastan A and is dosed perfect for great cycle stacking or stand alone."
I have used this product with some success, it is mild for sure. It also is not methylated so it won't be harmful to your liver. The compound is 5a-androstanol[2,3]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol

Another good one is Helladrol. I have used this and made great strength gains.
4-chloro-17a-Methyl-Androsta-1, 4-diene-3,17-diol -
It is methylated. But, it supposedly does not aromatize and has very very low risk of Gyno. Unlike Superdrol.

If you go with a Methyl compound I would get some liver support supplement.

Good luck brotha

 

[PappyMason]

h drol seems better for strength gains than weight. P-mag (very similar chemical compound) adds more weight with a little less strength tho. both are solid starting ph's tho

 

[Logman]

Cheers, fellas. I'm definitely feeling more confident about the whole deal. Looks like Welcome to CEMproducts.com! ship international and have a few SERMs. I heard Nolvadex is preferable to Clomid and I assume this is it: Nolva-Tamoxifen 50mL 20mg/mL

Anyone got any thoughts on Clomid vs Nolvadex?

 

[sofargone561]

Personally I say fuck going mild, if you're gonna shut yourself down and have to pct might as well make it good. My first "cycle" was p-plex and I loved it <3


as for serms, I would always use one for pct regardless of how mild the cycle. Check the link in my sig and you can find everything you need

This. i was going to start off with hdol cycle then i went to mdol then i did a shit load of research and not im on my first cycle. of test E kicked it off with the first 4 weeks on SDMZ 2 caps a day and ending with DBOL 50mg/ED also 50mg proviron/ED

 

[~RaZr~]

H-Drol would be a good beginner PH cycle. If you could, Torem would be a good choice in PCT.

 

[Logman]

I also heard Torem was a good PCT.....

 

[MattPorter]

I also heard Torem was a good PCT.....

If you must insist on shutting yourself down hard with a methyl, then please go with Torm.

I would use testosterone conversion factor-1 (dAA) w/topical sustain alpha pct to keep your rod hard for your lady or internet screen.

-Matt

 

[oufinny]

If you must insist on shutting yourself down hard with a methyl, then please go with Torm.

I would use testosterone conversion factor-1 (dAA) w/topical sustain alpha pct to keep your rod hard for your lady or internet screen.

-Matt

When I factor in all the extra costs of using a methyl, AndroHard is not expensive at all and you can run it for 8 weeks. I normally don't pimp non-AAS products but PP really outdid itself with this release of AH. It is high on my list of things I want to try.

 

[Logman]

To be honest I'm probably going to do AndroMass and then do their Testosterone Recovery Stack. Even though H-drol is mild I definitely care for my nutz more than my muscles. I'm about to hit 40 so I could do with a little help but I'm not looking to be the next Arnie. If AndroMass could help me puton 10lbs of lean gains in the 8 week period that's all I really want.

 

[MattPorter]

To be honest I'm probably going to do AndroMass and then do their Testosterone Recovery Stack. Even though H-drol is mild I definitely care for my nutz more than my muscles. I'm about to hit 40 so I could do with a little help but I'm not looking to be the next Arnie. If AndroMass could help me puton 10lbs of lean gains in the 8 week period that's all I really want.

LOg!

10lbs ----Hell yes, just put food in your mouth and move some heavy objects and take AndroMass and I will say 10lbs is an EASY goal.

Easier pct --->more gains retained--->cycle again to build "on top" of the previous gains---rinse and repeat.

SO basically you move 2 steps forward and maybe a "half step" back.....

Opposed to using something that will inflate you with water for 2-4 weeks, shut your test down, and leave you deflated post cycle and worse off than before.....

ehhh

-Matt

 

[Logman]

Sounds good to me.

 

[Bonesaw]

What ever you do make a log of it on here, im kinda in the same boat as you with picking that first cycle.

 

[Logman]

Won't be until the spring anyhow as have a holiday in January and I plan on doing one more test booster super stack before this. Hopefully by then they'll be a few logs on the new Andro recipes. Also have a bunch of niggling injuries that I want to get beyond and finally see the light at the end of the tunnel on. Hitting 40 does suck, heh.