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My (attempted ) Cutting diet? Advice needed!

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I am probably making a huge number of mistakes and would appreciate your guidance! Not sure what % my fat is (take a look at my latest pics if you wish) but I would like to get down to 10ish % by August possible My current weight is 203lbs :thumb:

Today

Meal 1

1/2 pint of milk 2 scoops of weight protein
100g of Scottish oats with skimmed milk
3 cod liver oil capsules (large capsules)

60g P
70g C

Meal 2

2 protein bars Met rex
40g P
48g C (1g sugar)
Fat 18g (12 of which is saturates)

Meal 3

Large jacket potato
1 tin tuna with low 1tbs low fat mayo
3 cod liver oil capsules (large capsules)
Meal 4

Meal 4

1/2 pint of milk 2 scoops of weight protein
100g of Scottish oats
3 cod liver oil capsules (large capsules)

Meal 5

400g lean chicken breast

Meal 6

Casein protein shake with skimmed milk

50g P


I don't eat any cabs after 5pm is this a good idea? I know I don't have any fruit/veg in there but I take a multi vitamin.
 
If you are having 70 g of carbs at 1 meal, I think that's a lot. If you're looking to cut, at least the way I do it is to take in just under my body weight in carbs, slightly over 1 g of protein per lb of bodyweight. and 30 to 35 g of fat.. All balanced at each meal. Don't forget some cardio.
 
thanks for the advice
 
Sorry I almost forgot, stay away from sugar, and make sure your carbs are slow burning, also I do a refeed every 4 to 5 days
 
no more sugar in my coffee then! Will have a think tomorrow about a new diet once I get some additional responses thanks very much for the advice :thumb:
 
Few points -
Fruit and vegetables can not be replaced my a 'tablet'. Add them.

That is a crap load of protein - you probably do not need that much.

You have no quantites (except for your oats) so I can't see how much you are eating.

You are not eating any healthy fats - add them.

How much you need will depend on your lean mass and activity level... Not just your weight.

Anyway -
APG said:
Meal 1
1/2 pint of milk 2 scoops of weight protein
100g of Scottish oats with skimmed milk
3 cod liver oil capsules (large capsules)

60g P
70g C
Swap the cod liver oil for fish oils. Cod liver oil gives you no benefits at all.

Meal 2
2 protein bars Met rex
40g P
48g C (1g sugar)
Fat 18g (12 of which is saturates)
Drop the bars - pure crap. Especially 2 of them.
Make your own with oats, protein powder, PB and apple sauce. Or make a MRP with ground oats, pp, fruit, PB.

I would also add some vegetables (eg: 3 sticks celery).

Meal 3
Large jacket potato
1 tin tuna with low 1tbs low fat mayo
3 cod liver oil capsules (large capsules)
Quantities would be good 'large' is not a quantity :rolleyes:
Swap the potato to sweet potato.
And - Ummm... Vegetables? Add 1 cup here.
Swap to fish oils.

Meal 4
1/2 pint of milk 2 scoops of weight protein
100g of Scottish oats
3 cod liver oil capsules (large capsules)
Drop the cod liver oil.

Meal 5
400g lean chicken breast
Add vegetables and fish oils.

Meal 6
Casein protein shake with skimmed milk

50g P
Drop the skim milk and add in some nuts (eg: walnuts).

I don't eat any cabs after 5pm is this a good idea? I know I don't have any fruit/veg in there but I take a multi vitamin.
Not eating carbs after 5pm?? So what is with the milk in your last meal (has carbs).

Cutting carbs out in the evening is not going to give you any magic advantage - the reason why it works is it prevents people from sitting down and watching the television with a bag of chips - so they eat less. If you want carbs later in the day, as long as it fits into your diet outline, then have carbs.

And eat the fruit and vegetables.
 
thanks Emma guess I have some thinking to do. In terms of the protein bars though i got them for 22p each since they expired in December so will be eating 2 a day for a while since i bought 204! I will put up a new diet on Saturday which hopefully will be an improvement :D On average I eat about 350g P a day is this too much? :hmmm:
 
should I aim for 200g complex carbs spread over 6 meals, how many g of simple carbs should I be aiming for?
 
APG said:
thanks Emma guess I have some thinking to do. In terms of the protein bars though i got them for 22p each since they expired in December so will be eating 2 a day for a while since i bought 204! I will put up a new diet on Saturday which hopefully will be an improvement :D On average I eat about 350g P a day is this too much? :hmmm:
Your protein intake should depend on your BF%. With ~1.5g x lean mass being a good target. In your piccies I would say you may be sitting in the 15ish range, so you would be fine with about 260g a day... 350g is a tad excessive.

The bars - arggg.. well - if you have them already then fine... (although could you sell them on to a mate?? :D )... how many more do you have to go through??

I would also not eat 2 at a time - have 1 and combine it with something more wholesome.

In terms of carbs it also depends on how active you are - if you are more active then you will need more. I also go on lean mass as well - not total.
 
Meal 1

50g Scottish oats with 1/2 pint of skimmed milk
Protein shake 75g with 1/2 pint of skimmed milk
2 fish oil tablets
1 cup of OJ

Each capsule provides: Fish oil 1000mg, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) 180mg, decosahexaenoic acid (DHA) 120mg.

Meal 2

50g Pasta mixed with 1 tin of tuna with 1 table spoon of no fat mayo
1 cup of spinage
1 protein bars Met rex
Meal 3

100 g of sweet potato with 100g of low fat cottage cheese
1 cup of spinage
1 35g low fat yogurt
2 fish oil tablets

Each capsule provides: Fish oil 1000mg, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) 180mg, decosahexaenoic acid (DHA) 120mg.

Meal 4
Smoked mackerel 200g
1 cup of broccoli
2 fish oil tablets
1 protein bars Met rex

Meal 5

50g Scottish oats with 1/2 pint of skimmed milk
Protein shake 75g (protein=60g) with 1/2 pint of skimmed milk
2 fish oil tablets

Meal 6

200g lean chicken breast
50g of brown rice
1 cup carrots and turnip
2 fish oil tablets

All weight are dry weight (pre cooked). Is this any better do i need to alter the amounts? :hmmm: Thanks emma for your help :thumb:
 
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Emma-Leigh said:
Swap the cod liver oil for fish oils. Cod liver oil gives you no benefits at all.
When did Cod stop being a fish ? What is wrong with the omega 3 from cod fish ?
 
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when i am cutting one of the first things i drop is the milk..use water instead, if you must have milk in your shakes use half skim half water.

when is your workout? i would only eat pasta post wo. and you could drop the oj in your 1st meal esp with all that sugar in the milk.

another idea is moving the lf yogurt to breakfast and adding vanilla protein & oats into it. it might sound sick but i love it.
 
Cod liver oil, fish oil and Omega 3

Other than drinking more water and eating more fresh raw green vegetables, the most important addition to the diet to fight and prevent disease and live longer is fish oil. More specifically, fish oil in the summer months and cod liver oil in the winter months when we can't spend as much time outdoors.
People in the U.S. consume a dangerously inadequate amount of Omega-3, a fat which is essential to good health but is only found in fish oil and a few other foods. Meanwhile, our intake of Omega-6 fats, another fat found in soy, corn, sunflower and other oils, is much too high.
Generally our diet contains far too much omega 6 fats. For most of us, this means greatly reducing the omega-6 fatty acids we consume and increasing the amount of omega-3 fatty acids.

Omega 3 helps prevent and fight heart disease, cancer, depression, arthritis, Alzheimer's disease, ulcers, diabetes, hyperactivity and other diseases. Omega 3 increases your ability to concentrate as well as your energy level.

While a helpful form of Omega-3 can be found in flaxseed, walnuts and a few other foods, the most beneficial form of Omega-3 - containing 2 fatty acids, EPA and DHA which are essential in preventing and fighting both physical and mental illness - can be found only in fish. Unfortunately, however, I would advise you against consuming a lot of fish, whether naturally-caught or farm-raised, because fish of all varieties from any waters are now showing dangerously high levels of the highly toxic, tasteless metal, mercury.
I recommend the following addition to everyone's diet - children, seniors and everyone in between - cod liver oil and fish oil.

The main difference between fish oil and cod liver oil is that cod liver oil is high in vitamin D. The cod liver oil has the advantage of providing vitamin D, which is necessary for most of us in the United States in the cold months of winter, when we don't get very much sun exposure on our skin in order to make vitamin D.

Many people get confused about the difference between fish oil liquid and cod liver oil. You can consider cod liver oil as fish oil. The 2 are the same except that cod liver oil contains natural vitamin D and A.

Limit your fish consumption and consider replacing it with cod liver oil. This is NOT the cod liver oil which typically comes to mind, from many decades ago. Most cod liver oil from the past was rancid and tasted terrible because it was improperly processed. It is now easy to find flavored cod liver oil and fish oil which have a much more pleasant taste.

Several studies and trials in humans have shown a favorable effect of dietary cod liver oil and fish oil on various risk factors for cardiovascular disease.
Supplementation of the diet with omega-3 fish oil and cod liver oil concentrates has shown the potential to reduce both the progression of cardiovascular disease and related mortality, including sudden cardiac death.

If you just listen to the 'experts', you would think that cholesterol is an evil substance and that most of us would benefit from lowering our cholesterol as low as possible. But it's not so. Cholesterol is a vitally important substance which is used for building our cell membranes and producing several of our hormones. If our cholesterol level drops too low, we are actually at increased risk for depression.

A European study of the effect of dietary omega-3 fatty acids - such as cod liver oil and fish oil - on coronary atherosclerosis (measured with coronary angiography) in people with cardiovascular disease using a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial showed improved health from the omega 3.(9)

The study revealed that people with coronary artery disease given omega-3 (DHA and EPA) therapy (at levels of about 1.5 g/day) over a 2-year period had less progression and more regression of coronary disease, than did patients taking a placebo. Fewer cardiovascular events (fatal and non-fatal heart attacks, strokes) were noted in the omega-3 group. The omega-3 supplementation was considered safe and well tolerated.
Cod liver oil and depression
Research has found that people who suffer from depression who received a daily dose of 1 gram of an omega-3 fatty acid such as cod liver oil for 12 weeks experienced a decrease in their symptoms, such as anxiety, sadness and sleeping problems (10).
cod liver oil and fish oil for depression

Previous studies have suggested that the balance of omega-3 fatty acids in the brain may be skewed in people with depression, and earlier studies have shown that cod liver oil and fish oil supplements can help alleviate the symptoms of depression and schizophrenia.

If you take your omega 3 in liquid form, as opposed to capsules, the dose for both the cod liver oil or fish oil liquid should be about 1-2 teaspoons per day. This is a good initial dose for most people but if you notice any belching, it is likely that your gallbladder is not digesting the oil properly and you may need to take a high potency enzyme with plenty of the fat digesting enzyme lipase.

Ideally, you would want to measure your vitamin D levels. Unfortunately very few doctors do this. But if you overdose on vitamin D you can actually cause hardening of your arteries and osteoporosis as it causes a reverse effect. In short, I would recommend you take cod liver oil during the winter months when our exposure to the sun is minimal, and fish oil during the summer months.

If you use beneficial products like cod liver oil without doing blood tests to check your vitamin D levels, you should keep the dose at 1 to 2 teaspoons per day to prevent overdosing or switch to plain fish oil (which contains no vitamin D).

Use 1 teaspoon per day for a child. When you give your child cod liver oil, you will also be supplying them with essential omega-3 fatty acids which will maximize their brain development.

Find out how to preserve your cod liver oil, what kind of supplement to look for, on page 2.

References

1. Holub BJ. Fish oils and cardiovascular disease. CMAJ 1989;141:1063. [MEDLINE]

2. Connor WE. The importance of n-3 fatty acids in health and disease. Am J Clin Nutr 2000;71(1 Suppl):171S-5S.

3. Angerer P, von Schacky C. n-3 Polyunsaturated fatty acids and the cardiovascular system. Curr Opin Lipidol 2000;11(1):57-63. [MEDLINE]

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(7). Bang HO, Dyerberg J. Lipid metabolism and ischemic heart disease in Greenland Eskimos. In: Draper HH, editor. Advances in nutrition research. New York: Plenum Publishing; 1980. p. 1-22.

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(9). von Schacky C, Angerer P, Kothny W, Theisen K, Mudra H. The effect of dietary omega-3 fatty acids on coronary atherosclerosis: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. Ann Intern Med 1999;130:554-62. [MEDLINE]

(10) Archives of General Psychiatry October 2002; 59: 913-919
(11) Psychosomatic Medicine 2000;62.
 
Thanks Date will drop milk completely and use water for shakes will also drop the OJ. I work out about 11a mish should i have the pasta when I get back from the gym at 1pm? I was confused about the cod liver oil caps when they are high in omega 3 still have 1 bottle left and 1 bottle if flex oil should I use this in addition? I wont be starting diet now until Tuesday since traveling around the country tomorrow :( will also give your recipe a try :thumb:
 
is 4 L of water ED enough?
 
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