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My Diet...Is It OK?

Wally21

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Ok can some of you critique my diet and tell me if its ok or not? Let me start off by telling you my stats, I'm 21/m 5'9" 141lbs. I start off by eating a toasted bagel with 4 tbsp of peanut butter for breakfast. At around 11 am I eat a grilled chicken breast with 1/2 cup of rice, and then eat the same at around 2pm. Then at around 4-5pm I eat another bagel with pb for a pre-workout protein boost. I work out for an hour or so and then follow that up with a protein shake. Then for dinner I usually eat another chicken breast, or sometimes (very rarely) i eat a steak or some sort of red meat for a change. Is this ok? Or am I not eating enough? I've been working out for about 6 months, but just changed to this diet about 1 month ago, since then I've gained approximately 5lbs of muscle. So let me know what ya think. Your opinions are appreciated. Thanks again.
 
What are your goals? I am no where near an expert- but I know the "experts" here are gonna tell you to throw away those bagels and add more greens....Bagels=Sugar!!:finger:
 
My goals are to lower my body fat percentage, and to gain approximately 15-20 lbs of muscle.
 
PB for a protein boost drop the bagel and pb for pre workout instead try a chicken breast sandwich or something. Also add more leafy foods. Dont be afraid of having red meat as long as it is lean. Also eggs white would help increase your protein in the morning.
 
did someone say drop bagel..add leafy foods? I am a genius. Kidding!
 
Originally posted by Leslie2196
did someone say drop bagel..add leafy foods? I am a genius. Kidding!


I was just saying that he should drop the the bagel for the preworkout. I think it would be ok for him to keep the one in the morning. Of course the bagel should be Multi grain. You can never tell a person to much about adding more greens to your diet.
 
I think he should replace the morning bagel with a slow burning carb like oatmeal instead
 
I agree w/ Leslie....ditch both bagels, get some quality, slowburning oats into you along w/ protein first thing....say 3 whole eggs plus 3 egg whites & 1/2 cup oats. Is the rice brown? What do you put in your shake or have w/ it? I don't think from the looks of it that you're eating enough food.....though 4 tbsp of peanut butter in one meal may be helping you :D
 
I would really prefer not to drop the bagels since they have a good bit of carbs in them, and its a quick meal before work. See I don't really have enough time in the morning to fix eggs. The rice I eat is just plain white rice, and I put Met-RX Protein Plus, 1 1/2 cups of Fat Free Skim Milk, 5g of Creatine in my shake. What else could I try eating that doesn't take too much time to fix? Should I eat more than 3 chicken breasts a day or what? Thanks again for your help.
 
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Originally posted by Wally21
I would really prefer not to drop the bagels since they have a good bit of carbs in them, and its a quick meal before work. See I don't really have enough time in the morning to fix eggs. The rice I eat is just plain white rice, and I put Met-RX Protein Plus, 1 1/2 cups of Fat Free Skim Milk, 5g of Creatine in my shake. What else could I try eating that doesn't take too much time to fix? Should I eat more than 3 chicken breasts a day or what? Thanks again for your help.


You really need some protein in that first meal. Oats take just 2 minutes in the nuker and if you can't afford the time to make eggs have a shake. Just make sure you're getting enough protein throughout the day and not just from shakes. If you have to have a shake in the morning because of time constraints then make sure you have a a whole food protein source in place of a shake later in the day. Another option would be cooking up a bunch of chicken breasts and eating one cold in the morning.
 
Ok... thanks for the advice W8lifter. So how bout this, have 1 shake in the morning, that's 50g Protein, have 1 chicken breast with 1/2 cup of rice for lunch, thats appr. 35g protein, with 36carbs, eat another chicken breast with rice around 2pm, have another shake pre-workout, post workout have either chicken, or lean beef for dinner, and maybe a bagel with pb for a snack? you think that'll work? Thats roughly 200g protein but i need more carbs don't I? How can I get them? Oats?
 
If I were you wally I would throw in another shake post workout then an hour two later have chicken or beef for dinner. Make such that the shake contains whey portein because it digests faster than your chicken giving your body the needed protien for repair
 
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Originally posted by Wally21
Ok... thanks for the advice W8lifter. So how bout this, have 1 shake in the morning, that's 50g Protein, have 1 chicken breast with 1/2 cup of rice for lunch, thats appr. 35g protein, with 36carbs, eat another chicken breast with rice around 2pm, have another shake pre-workout, post workout have either chicken, or lean beef for dinner, and maybe a bagel with pb for a snack? you think that'll work? Thats roughly 200g protein but i need more carbs don't I? How can I get them? Oats?


I'm not going to suggest the bagel or the white rice because IMO both are rather poor carb choices. You should be trying for 6 meals evenly spaced throughout the day, w/ the possible exception of a whey protein shake immediately post w/o. Much better carb sources would include oats, sweet potatoes, yams, brown rice, green veggies, and some fruits such as berries, apples and grapefruit. I would suggest you get one of these carb sources in at least 3 of your 6 meals, including one post w/o. Never have a meal w/o protein if you want to gain muscle! If you're going to have a bagel w/ PB, add some protein as well. Also, your diet seems to be lacking in EFA's.....and don't forget the water! :D
 
Lacking in EFA's? I'm sorry but I'm not sure what that means. I'm still new to this and don't understand all the terminology yet. Could you please explain? And tell me how I can get more EFA's? Thanks again you have been very helpful.
 
Essential Fatty Acids.....the body must ingest Omega 3s, 6s, and 9s. There are many sources, and I'm sure w8, the Princess of Pain, has a few gr8 links!


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As everyone else says, ditch the bagel. If you're eating peanut butter it better be all natural, but there are still much better fat sources. Peanuts are legumes and are potentially estrogenic. You'd be better off focusing on 1 goal (fat loss or muscle gain) work on one then on the other. I always think priority should be on fat loss b/c if bodyfat is high, 1st, ass you gain mass it will be more fat than if you were leaner, and if fat cells are all filled then new ones will be created, but you can never lose fat cells w/out liposuction. Definitely include red meat as it is a great source of protein, has creatine, etc. The fatty acid ratios are key as well for fat loss and mass gains. Priority should be on fish oils as they are n-3's and are lacking in most peoples diets. Modern meats are very high in n-6's b/c of the grain and other garbage they are fed to fatten them up, so most get enough n-6's already. Fish oils have countless benefits that I will get into if you are interested in knowing,but know they are key for fat loss and muscle gain. Protein should be a minimum of 1g per lb. LBM, and if mass gains are desired should be much higher, 1.5-2.5g per lb. LBM. If fat loss is your goal cut back on the carbs and eat more fibrous greens if you desire.
 
Ok pete69 explain the fish oils benefits, I'm interested. Also I'm not overweight by any means, like I said before i'm 5'9" 140 lbs. I'm not sure what my LBM is but I'm confused about what my goals should be, maybe you can help me out with that too? I don't think I need to lose any fat, but I want to be leaner... does that make any sense? I'm starting to see a little ... very little definition in my abs but I'd like to see more. So should I cut out the carbs? And as far as protein is concerned I make sure I get at least 150g a day. My carb intake is around 160-170g a day. I don't eat any fat really.. other than peanut butter. So what do you think I should do? Your help is greatly appreciated.
 
Here's some info to start with.

TOP 10 REASONS FISH OILS ARE ESSENTIAL


1. Fish oils, rich in the Omega-3 fatty acids may help prevent depression, stabilize the moods of maniac-depressives, and alleviate symptoms of schizophrenia.

University of California's Johnsson Cancer Center, Los Angeles, CA health.com


2. Fish oils is one of the few substances known to lower concentrations of triglycerides (fatty substances) that pose a cardiovascular risk, in the blood.

J Raloff Science News


3. Increasing the amount of Omega-3 fatty acids has direct effects on serotonin levels.

Andrew Stoll M.D.1999 Archives of General Psychiatry


4. Fish oils, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) help prevent heart disease, depression, and cancer.

Hans R. Larsen, Msc chE "Fish Oils: The Essential Nutrients" International Health News


5. Research has shown that supplementation with fish oils can markedly reduce interlukin-1beta production and results in a significant reduction in morning stiffness and the number of painful joints in rheumatoid arthritis patients.

Darlington, L Gail and Stone, Trevor W. Antioxidants and fatty acids in the amelioration of rheumatoid arthritis and related disorders. British Journal of Nutrition, Vol. 85, March 2001, pp.251-69. Oilofpisces.com


6. Several clinical trials have concluded that eating fish regularly or supplementing with fish oils can reduce the risk of sudden cardiac death by as much as 50%.

Bigger,J. Thomas and El-Sherif, Tarek. Polyunsaturated fatty acids and cardiovascular events: a fish tale. Circulation, Vol.103, February 6, 2001, pp623-25 (editorial). Oilofpisces.com


7. Researchers at Mayo Clinic report that supplementation with fish oils, EPA and DHA is highly effective in slowing down the progression of IgA nephropathy, a common kidney disease.

Donadio, James V.,et al. A controlled trial of fish oil in IgA nephropathy. New England Journal of Medicine, Vol 331 November 3, 1994, pp1194-99

Van Ypersele de Strihou, Charles. Fish oil for IgA nephropathy? New England Journal of Medicine, Vol 331, November 3, 1994, pp 1227-29 (editorial). Oilofpisces.com


8. Epidemiological studies have shown that populations with a high intake of fish oils have a lower incidence of inflammatory diseases such as asthma.

Dry J. and Vincent D. Effect of a Fish oil diet on asthma: results of a 1-year double bind study. Int Arch Allerguy Appl Immurol, Vol.95, 1991,pp.156-57. Oilofpisces.com


9. Researchers at The University of Tromso now report that fish oil supplementation lowers blood pressure significantly in people with hypertension and has no effect on glucose control even in people with mid diabetes.

Toft, Ingrid, et al. Effects of n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids on glucose homeostasis and blood pressure in essential hypertension. Annals of Internal Medicine, Vol 123, No 12, December 15, 1995, pp 911-18. Connor, William E. Diabetes, fish oil, and vascular disease. Annals of Internal Medicine, Vol 123, No 12, December 15, 1995, pp950-52. Oilofpisces.com.


10. Medical researchers in New Zealand provide convincing evidence that an increased consumption of fish oils helps reduce the risk of developing prostate cancer.

Norrish, A,E, et al. Prostate cancer risk and consumption of fish oils: A dietary biomaker-based case-control study. British Journal of Cancer, Vol. 81, No.7, December 1999, pp.1238-42

LBM stands for Lean Body Mass, basically total mass - fat mass, this is best determined by having your bodyfat tested. But since you are light and you say u are lean, its not as critical.

I believe you are saying your fairly lean, but need to lose some more bodyfat as well as build more muscle mass to show off better definition, low bodyfat on a smaller frame doesn't look as good or defined as someone with substantial muscle. I'd recommend bumping your protein to 1.5-2g protein per lb. of bodyweight. Since you weigh 140 that would be 210-280g protein a day. (if money is an issue go for the higher # on workout days and lower on non-workout days). I would keep carbs to 50g or less a day, mainly from green vegetables. I'd also make red meat a staple in your diet, having it for most of your meals. Saturated fat is necessary to increase testosterone levels which benefit muscle gains and fat loss. Also, try to get at least 50% of your protein after your workout on workout days. Get most nutrients from foods, not shakes. Supplement with fish oil capsules every meal.

Lift heavy w/ basic compound movements, around the 4-6 rep range. Also start doing sprint interval training 3-4x a week, start off sprinting 20sec, walk/job 100sec, start w/ 5 sets and increase each week. This is a start, if u want more details let me know.
 
Originally posted by Wally21
Cool.. thanks a lot Dr. Pain. So w8 do you have any links? Thanks again.

About EFA's

Flaxing your Muscles

By Kristin J. Reisinger



Most people are fed the notion that, in order to lose fat, you have to give up consuming fat. This is a large misconception. There are "good" fats and there "bad" fats, and those of us involved in fitness and bodybuilding are aware that we need some fat in our diets, as some fats are good for you. We've heard the term "essential fatty acids" (EFAs) and we've been told to try and incorporate fish into our diets at least three times each week. We also know to keep our saturated fat to a minimum. But what does this all mean? Which fats are the essential fatty acids? Why do we need them? And how much should we be taking in? Also, which fats should we avoid and what foods are these present in?

EFAs are polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) that are also essential nutrients. This means that they cannot be manufactured in the body and, therefore, must be obtained through diet. They are the starting point - or the mortar and brick - for manufacturing all other fatty acids and hormone precursors necessary to support and build strong lean muscle while increasing stamina required for fitness and bodybuilding. They are considered the "good" fat that are also key components of many other physiological processes in the body. Two EFAs have been identified, including linoleic acid, LA (omega-6) and alpha-linolenic acid, ALA (omega-3). Two other omega-3s, which are not considered essential because they are metabolic derivatives of ALA, are eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), and the non-essential metabolic derivatives of LA include gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) and arachidonic acid (AA).

ALA and LA can be found in a variety of foods. Omega-3s are commonly found in many types of fish (salmon, tuna, halibut, trout, shrimp, and crab) and omega-6s are mainly found in many types of vegetable oils (canola, sunflower, safflower corn, soy, and peanut), other soy foods, walnuts and leafy greens. The recommendation for omega-3s is currently 1.3 percent of dietary energy intake based on a 2000 kcal which amounts to almost 3g / day. This does not take into consideration the active lifestyle of the bodybuilder, however. Those of us keeping dietary fats to a minimum might experiment more with quantities of EFAs depending on how much fat you allow into your diet. For example, suppose you are on a 3000 kcal program with 20 percent of your calories from fat. This results in 600 calories from fat - or 66g allocated to dietary fat primarily in the form of EFAs. That's a lot of salmon and tuna!

In these cases it is almost impossible to not consider EFA supplementation if you want to achieve optimal performance. To give an idea of how much is in the foods we eat, one 6.5 oz can of tuna fish contains approximately 0.5g of omega-3s and 3 oz of smoked salmon contains about the same. Thus, the current consumption of EFAs, primarily ALA, in the American diet is actually very low. It is also easy to assume that during cutting up phases of bodybuilding one might not be getting enough EFAs due to a low-energy diet with a reduced dietary fat content. This holds true for many women in the field, too, because of their common use of long-term, energy-restricted diets. Hence, the need for EFA supplementation has become a hot market in the sports supplement field and is a necessity for optimal results in bodybuilding and fitness.

One source of ALA that is the most abundant in omega-3s, and is also in the spotlight of "good" fats, is flax seed oil. It has the highest ratio of omega3:omega 6 than any other source as well as a high amount of fiber, lignans (phytoestrogens being researched for their anticarcinogenic qualities), vitamins, and minerals. It has the highest content of PUFAs with minimal amounts of saturated fatty acids (SFA), also known as the "bad" fat. SFAs are the fats most abundant in butter, milk, cheese, beef, and coconut oil and happily get converted to stored bodyfat without many of the other "bells and whistles" of the PUFA family. ALA is also the precursor for other types of omega-3s including DHA and EPA, as well as hormone-like substances in the body called eicosanoids, which have a lot of benefits for the bodybuilder.

Eicosanoids include prostaglandins (naturally produced anti-inflammatory agents in the body) as well as other substances that aid in blood clotting, blood pressure, vascular dilatation, heart rate, immune response, and the production of cell membranes. It is also believed that when there is a lack of omega-3s in the diet (as we are currently seeing a prevalence of in the American diet), these processes are unable to perform optimally. Also, a lack of substrate for the production of cell membranes transpires - fat cell membranes in particular - making it difficult to release adipose from tissue. This is partially the reason why EFAs can potentially aid in fat loss. Other health benefits of EFAs supported by research include:

Increased uptake and utilization of oxygen as well as increased oxidation of stored bodyfat ~ are essential for the production of hemoglobin (substance produced in bone marrow which is responsible for the red blood cell's ability to transport oxygen to muscle tissue as well as carry carbon dioxide out of muscle tissue)

Increased metabolic rate because EFA's increase energy levels

Increased insulin sensitivity by delaying stomach emptying time; This allows the digestive system to absorb carbohydrates more slowly resulting in a decreased insulin response

Natural blood thinner therefore decreasing platelet aggregation (clotting of red blood cells) resulting in decreased risk of vascular disease, clotting and strokes

Decreased blood pressure due to its blood thinning abilities

Are converted into prostaglandins (natural anti-inflammatory agent produced in the body) that help decrease inflammation and pain; reduced muscle soreness after strenuous workouts and shortened recovery time

Increased brain function, mood and intelligence; the brain is 60 percent fat and needs omega-3s to function properly

Improved stamina and endurance due to optimal production of hormones

Reliable source of energy without increasing bodyfat

Increased production of hormones, including our favorite, testosterone

Provide soft, smooth and velvety skin

Aid in weight reduction and management by suppressing appetite and removing water from inflamed tissue due to their conversion into prostaglandins

As you can see, there's no real reason not to give flax a try. It is an excellent source of the "good" fat that we so readily hear we need. It has multiple benefits, all aiding in the bodybuilding lifestyle, as well as overall health and wellness. Flax seed oil can be incorporated into any diet by mixing into shakes, putting on salads, mixing in with your tuna fish, putting it in soup, or sprucing up any boring recipe you might be cooking in order to maximize muscle gains. Get ready to flax your muscles!


Tomato-Basil Flax Dressing

1/4 cup Apple Cider Vinegar
3-5 cloves garlic
3 Tbsp. fresh basil (or 1 Tbsp. dried)
1-2 Tbsp. sun-dried tomatoes
1 tsp. Dijon mustard
1 tsp. tamari or soy sauce
1/2 tsp. oregano
1/2 tsp. tarragon
1/2 tsp. maple syrup
6 drops Tabasco sauce
3/4-cup Flax Seed Oil
Yields 1 cup.

Directions

Soak sun-dried tomatoes in 1/4-cup hot water for one hour. Drain. In food processor or blender, combine vinegar, garlic, basil, sun-dried tomatoes, mustard, tamari, oregano, tarragon, maple syrup and Tabasco sauce. Blend until smooth. Just before finishing the blending, slowly add the oil in a steady continuous stream. Store in a sealed container in the refrigerator to protect the EFAs in the flaxseed oil.


Flax Hummus

1 cup cooked garbanzo beans, drained
2-4 tbsp. Flax Seed Oil
1/3 cup lemon juice
2 cloves garlic, crushed
Salt to taste
Cayenne pepper to taste
1 tbsp. chopped parsley to garnish

Directions

Blend beans in food processor. Slowly add lemon juice alternately with oil. Add seasoning and chill. Garnish with parsley. Serve as a dip for fresh vegetables or as a sandwich spread. Yields one cup.



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Thanks a lot guys!! This info has been really helpful. I think I'll go out to the drug store tonight and buy some Omega-3 and Omega-6 supplements. Also pete69 feel free to fill me in on some more info... i'll all ears or I guess I should say all eyes. One more thing, you say to get my protein mostly from foods and not shakes... so would 2 shakes a day be ok. The only reason I ask is because of work restraints its a lot easier to make a shake in the morning before work and then another after work, before I workout. I can't take that many breaks during work to eat, I only get a lunch break and then another 15 min break. But I always eat at least 2 chicken breasts while I'm at work. So should I start eating like 2 for lunch and 2 more on my break a total of 4? I'm sorry I'm being so... I guess you'd say ignorant about this all, but like I said I'm new to it. Thanks again.
 
Two shakes a day is fine...make sure you get 3 full whole food meals a day as well.
 
Ok one last time I think I've got this down... Tell me what ya think. 1 shake in the morning, 2 grilled chicken breasts for lunch with omega-3/6 supplements, one more chicken breast 2 hrs later with omega-3/6 supplements, another shake post workout, and either chicken or lean beef for dinner with omega-3/6 supplements? The only thing is I have to eat before I workout if i don't I get hungry and that's not good, so what would you recommend as a pre-workout snack? I really appreciate this guys...and gals
 
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