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LOL..welcome to HGH, and if you are getting those sides that early on with 1iu then that is some pretty legit HGH.. are those blue tops from us? PSL? You will start to get swollen fingers to an extent and like i said when your sleeping pins and needles, they wake me up all the time...

PS: are you doing IM or SubQ HgH injects? and if so where? tummy? delts?


My skin is getting oily but thats what I expected. I noticed when I was napping today that my hands wouldnt stop tingling ..that really screwed up my nap lol
 
I actually started using these products on Monday. I did not start my log until yesterday because I did not have my camera and wanted everything done at once so people wouldnt jump on my case about not having pictures included :coffee:That being said...
Upon opening the packs of anavar I found a lot of them were crushed, its not a big deal at all and have seen this many times before(with other sponsors), I just wanted to note that. Also, because I have ZERO experience with HGH, I will log every little thing that feels new to me. Now, this may sound crazy being so early in the cycle but my skin much clearer and feels tighter:thinking: Very interesting for sure..

Yeah, during shipping pills can get crushed. Still, PSL does a good job packaging his stuff, so it is not that common. In fact, I have probably recieved 30-40 bags of EP orals over the years and never more than "few" were ever crushed...and often none were crushed. It sounds like you were unlucky.
 
How long is she running the GH?
I thought you had to run GH for at least 6 months to see any results ???


Not true at all. All the people who say that shit either have no personal experience with GH themselves...OR they were using fake GH. Another MAJOR factor in determining how long results will take to manifest and to what degree, is dosage. lower dosages will rake longer to notice changes, while large dosages can produce results in a couple of weeks.

In addition, GH produces both long-term and short-term effects. If the dosage is sufficient, GH will cause most people to gain anywhere between 5-15 lbs of bodyweight in just a couple of weeks. This is ALL due to a combination of both intramuscular and sub-q water retention. However, the BB'r will look significantly bigger because of it. After this initial swelling phase, the rate at which fat loss and IGF-1 induced muscle growth takes place will depend solely on dosage. in general, a dosage of 5 IU daily (for men) is required to notice fat loss within about 6-8 weeks. At 10 IU daily, fat loss will begin to be noticable within a month. At 15-20 IU daily, results are very rapid in every area. The guys who say it takes 3 months to notice any results, aside from either having no experience themselves or only using fake GH, are those who are using like 1-3 IU per day. At 1 IU per day, you wont notice anything....ever. At 2 IU, results will be very slow, but within a few mobnths you 'may' notice reduced fat loss and a slight (very slight) muscle swelling effect. In my opinion, the minimum effective doaage for GH is 3 IU daily...and even then, results are slow.

For women, they do not require as high of a dose to see the same results men do, but at 1 IU per day, Miss S will not notice anything significant. Likely, any percieved results will be due to either placebo or by mind-screwing oneself into believeing results are taking place, when in reality, any change in apearance was not due to the GH at all. In order for Miss S to notice anything even slightly meaningful, she will need to use a minimum of 2 IU per day. At that rate 1 kit will last 50 days and it will end up having mild effects on her physique, in terms of fat loss. At 2 IU, the dose is not high enough to cause any measurable muscle growth, so minimal fat loss is the most she can expect.

It is common for many people to try and "drag-out" their GH supply (especially when they don't have much) in the hope that they will get greater overall results by using a smaller dosage for a longer period of time. However, GH doesn't work this way. A certain minimum dosage is required to elicit change...and if the dose is too small, regardless of how long it is used for, it won't do anyting...at least nothing worthywhile. If she sticks with 1 IU daily, any changes she notices in her physique will be due to the Anavar, which will produce noticable results in any woman at her level of development, assuming her dite & training is in order. Within a short period of time, the Var will tighten her up, lead to greater fat loss than a single IU of GH, increase lean muscle mass, and add strength. It will do all this without any masculinizing side effects, as its androgenic component is very weak.

In my opinion, Miss S would be better off running the following cycle, as he has enough Var and Gh to do so:

Anavar @ 15-20 mg/day for 8 weeks.
GH @ 2 IU daily for 50 days.


Some women get scared of 20 mg daily, thinking it will cause them to grow a beard or make their voice sound like Arnold. Not gonns happen. 20 mg is still a mild-moderate dosage for a woman...and acceptable for a woman who wants to avoid side effects, while still improving her physique at a rapid rate. 10 mg is a very low dose for Anavar. 10-15 mg is the bare minimum I would have a woman use. Side effects with var take place incredibly slow...and are unlikely to take place at all when using low dosages. If a woman thought she was beginning to develop a certain negative side effect, she could simply discontinue the drug and the problem would be solved, but the bottom line is that Anavar will never transform a woman into the modern day she-men we have seen onstage in some high-level BB'ing shows. This is why Anavar was made for both women AND children. Often, women would be prescribed a much higher dosage than this for years on end, while continuing to look the same as they did before starting the Var.
 
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Just my option anavar to low of dose run 10mg for 7'days then go to 20mg Ed 10mg am and 10mg pm wife almost done with finishing off a cycle of var and primo. Not sure how long you plan var maybe 6 weeks I would think if this is your 3rd cycle of var then you know 10. To 15mg is very low even for a female. If you don't have any bad sides could go as high as 30mg.

See bold above: Exactly.
 
she has gone to 15-20 mg of anavar. It started causing major sides. What dont you people get? Her threshold is 15mg
 
and before some dumbass says it probably wasn't real anavar.. It was human grade from a pharmacy. She knows what she is doing and doesnt need 15 different people trying to push higher doses on her. She ran 5mg for her first cycle and had INSANE results. Diet and training. not drugs
 
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.............................if you don't hgave real life exp with women and aas please shut up...and its all individual anyway...blanket statements are ignorant for anyone...but especially ladies...this is my wife on 10 mgs daily....little training...no cardio
 
LOL..welcome to HGH, and if you are getting those sides that early on with 1iu then that is some pretty legit HGH.. are those blue tops from us? PSL? You will start to get swollen fingers to an extent and like i said when your sleeping pins and needles, they wake me up all the time...

PS: are you doing IM or SubQ HgH injects? and if so where? tummy? delts?

I am injecting SubQ in my tummy

Yeah, during shipping pills can get crushed. Still, PSL does a good job packaging his stuff, so it is not that common. In fact, I have probably recieved 30-40 bags of EP orals over the years and never more than "few" were ever crushed...and often none were crushed. It sounds like you were unlucky.

Yeah I wasnt assuming that this was common with PSL just trying to log my whole experience. With other sources I have used almost all the pills were crushed and they came in bottles :geewhiz:

Not true at all. All the people who say that shit either have no personal experience with GH themselves...OR they were using fake GH. Another MAJOR factor in determining how long results will take to manifest and to what degree, is dosage. lower dosages will rake longer to notice changes, while large dosages can produce results in a couple of weeks.

In addition, GH produces both long-term and short-term effects. If the dosage is sufficient, GH will cause most people to gain anywhere between 5-15 lbs of bodyweight in just a couple of weeks. This is ALL due to a combination of both intramuscular and sub-q water retention. However, the BB'r will look significantly bigger because of it. After this initial swelling phase, the rate at which fat loss and IGF-1 induced muscle growth takes place will depend solely on dosage. in general, a dosage of 5 IU daily (for men) is required to notice fat loss within about 6-8 weeks. At 10 IU daily, fat loss will begin to be noticable within a month. At 15-20 IU daily, results are very rapid in every area. The guys who say it takes 3 months to notice any results, aside from either having no experience themselves or only using fake GH, are those who are using like 1-3 IU per day. At 1 IU per day, you wont notice anything....ever. At 2 IU, results will be very slow, but within a few mobnths you 'may' notice reduced fat loss and a slight (very slight) muscle swelling effect. In my opinion, the minimum effective doaage for GH is 3 IU daily...and even then, results are slow.

For women, they do not require as high of a dose to see the same results men do, but at 1 IU per day, Miss S will not notice anything significant. Likely, any percieved results will be due to either placebo or by mind-screwing oneself into believeing results are taking place, when in reality, any change in apearance was not due to the GH at all. In order for Miss S to notice anything even slightly meaningful, she will need to use a minimum of 2 IU per day. At that rate 1 kit will last 50 days and it will end up having mild effects on her physique, in terms of fat loss. At 2 IU, the dose is not high enough to cause any measurable muscle growth, so minimal fat loss is the most she can expect.

It is common for many people to try and "drag-out" their GH supply (especially when they don't have much) in the hope that they will get greater overall results by using a smaller dosage for a longer period of time. However, GH doesn't work this way. A certain minimum dosage is required to elicit change...and if the dose is too small, regardless of how long it is used for, it won't do anyting...at least nothing worthywhile. If she sticks with 1 IU daily, any changes she notices in her physique will be due to the Anavar, which will produce noticable results in any woman at her level of development, assuming her dite & training is in order. Within a short period of time, the Var will tighten her up, lead to greater fat loss than a single IU of GH, increase lean muscle mass, and add strength. It will do all this without any masculinizing side effects, as its androgenic component is very weak.

In my opinion, Miss S would be better off running the following cycle, as he has enough Var and Gh to do so:

Anavar @ 15-20 mg/day for 8 weeks.
GH @ 2 IU daily for 50 days.


Some women get scared of 20 mg daily, thinking it will cause them to grow a beard or make their voice sound like Arnold. Not gonns happen. 20 mg is still a mild-moderate dosage for a woman...and acceptable for a woman who wants to avoid side effects, while still improving her physique at a rapid rate. 10 mg is a very low dose for Anavar. 10-15 mg is the bare minimum I would have a woman use. Side effects with var take place incredibly slow...and are unlikely to take place at all when using low dosages. If a woman thought she was beginning to develop a certain negative side effect, she could simply discontinue the drug and the problem would be solved, but the bottom line is that Anavar will never transform a woman into the modern day she-men we have seen onstage in some high-level BB'ing shows. This is why Anavar was made for both women AND children. Often, women would be prescribed a much higher dosage than this for years on end, while continuing to look the same as they did before starting the Var.

Wow, thanks for the advice Mike! I am not avoiding going up to 15mg I just prefer to work my way up to it when I am not familiar with the var. Thank you again
 
.............................if you don't hgave real life exp with women and aas please shut up...and its all individual anyway...blanket statements are ignorant for anyone...but especially ladies...this is my wife on 10 mgs daily....little training...no cardio

EXACTLY!...any amount of surplus androgens inside of a woman's body will do wonders. NOBODY responds the same when it comes to dosing. It is completely subjective and based on the individual.
 
I myself have terrible on side on most anything...especially harsh orals....I have an uncle that at times I outweighed by like 80 pounds....he could take sd like candy....crippled me
 
Great log-am following as is nice to learn how women react to compounds.My knowledge is limited.Thanks for doing this gal-will a rep PLEASE sticky this thread ? Thanks-OD
 
and before some dumbass says it probably wasn't real anavar.. It was human grade from a pharmacy. She knows what she is doing and doesnt need 15 different people trying to push higher doses on her. She ran 5mg for her first cycle and had INSANE results. Diet and training. not drugs

I agree , please keep in mind that whole EP line , orals and inj. are dosed 100% (comparing to other UGL's) , no more no less - so - real , pure and properly dosed var needs to be used wisely , especially by females.

Great log-am following as is nice to learn how women react to compounds.My knowledge is limited.Thanks for doing this gal-will a rep PLEASE sticky this thread ? Thanks-OD

Brilliant point OD , i'll do that now , thanks for all your input and suggestions :winkfinger:
 
Thanks OD!



I havent received a PM yet. Thanks PSL!



People argue this back and forth but I would never go over 20mg and 20mg is even iffy for me(depending where the var is from). I am not a powerlifter or interested in competing in womens bodybuilding so there is no need to keep upping the dose..it can only increase my chances at really screwing myself up. I have had great results from 5-15mg of anavar. Yes I have gone up to 20mg before but my voice started to get scratchy and I backed off. Again, everyone has different goals..and responds differently. It is best to play it safe, in my opinion of course. My goal isnt too extreme, I rely on good diet and hard training to build my physique, and let a "low" dose of anavar push me a little further. Thank you for your opinion Vannesb, sorry for the little rant but I have been reading A LOT of stuff around the forums and this was somewhat a response to that.
No problem as you know I have a lot of respect for you and everyone is different! Look forward to folowing your log!
 
she has gone to 15-20 mg of anavar. It started causing major sides. What dont you people get? Her threshold is 15mg
She can do whatever she pleases. Otherwise, we would have stated otherwise pre-shipment. In no way was I trying to pressure her into doing something she is not comfortable doing. I am curious as to what you mean when you say "major" sides. I take "major" sides to mean that someone experienced "irreversible side effects which are of significant concern to one's health and or mental-emotional well-being". When Var is utilized at 15-20 mg daily for normal cycle lengths, at worst, the typical woman will witness a complete reversal of any perceptible side effects upon discontinuation. I have seen women suffer severe masculinization from using very large dosages (by male standards) of harsh androgens for years, but upon cessation, they witnessed a dramatic reversal of symptoms/side effects. No, they did not experience completely relief, but the change was profound. We are dealing with a VERY different set of circumstances in Miss S's case. Certainly, 20 mg daily could result in some side effects, but only rarely will that dosage result in long-term changes to one' apperance and/or voice. Most women maintain their full degree of femininity after using Var for years (properly cycling, of course).

and before some dumbass says it probably wasn't real anavar.. It was human grade from a pharmacy. She knows what she is doing and doesnt need 15 different people trying to push higher doses on her. She ran 5mg for her first cycle and had INSANE results. Diet and training. not drugs
Again, I don't think anyone was trying to "push" higher dosages omn her. Rather, it seems to me they were stating their opinion.
 
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I had a great workout today! I just did some circuit training with moderate weight and I was EXHAUSTED! I had to cut the workout short because I pushed myself a little too hard lol..but I liked it :) After taking a little break and fitting in a protein shake, Juice and I went for a run at the park and were acting like little kids on the monkey bars, pull up bar and jumping over benches lol:wacko:

NOTE:
I am getting a little bit of acne and skin is oily :(
My hands wont stop falling asleep and when I was working out both my arms were tingling and slowly falling asleep
 
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I had a great workout today! I just did some circuit training with moderate weight and I was EXHAUSTED! I had to cut the workout short because I pushed myself a little too hard lol..but I liked it :) After taking a little break and fitting in a protein shake, Juice and I went for a run at the park and were acting like little kids on the monkey bars, pull up bar and jumping over benches lol:wacko:

NOTE:
I am getting a little bit of acne and skin is oily :(
My hands wont stop falling asleep and when I was working out both my arms were tingling and slowly falling asleep

LOL good times but, IM SORE! Cant remember the last time i ran around like that!
 
she has gone to 15-20 mg of anavar. It started causing major sides. What dont you people get? Her threshold is 15mg

LOL good times but, IM SORE! Cant remember the last time i ran around like that!

LOL...even after years of killing every muscle with weight training, doing something as simple asrunning can make us sore. I know what you mean. It is pretty amazing how well the body can adapt to specific tasks, while only slight changes can completely throw the body off, resulting in a significant amount of DOMS.
 
Very sore!!! I worked arms and shoulders in the garage yesterday which was a change. My skin is ridiculous right now..breaking out even worse and super oily. Not fun at all :wits:

Arms are looking very nice..staying very full! My left knee has given me problems since I was younger but its really acting up lately. It is VERY hard to get to sleep every night and when I do I cant stay asleep. Also, hard to sit in class everyday..and definitely doesn't allow me to do heavy squats. I am trying to do everything I can to help so it doesn't COMPLETELY ruin my leg training.

My tummy looks crazy..injections are giving me red welts and bruises lol :doh:
 
Looking great Miss Sringsteen!

Mikes advise is spot-on ... "I would only consider this change."

HGH - in the morning is good but you might be better off injecting - "before bed."

I spent a lot of time researching this - as there a lot of very experienced people
with different opinions - so here's what I've found...

One school says you produce hGH during sleep - so you should inject in the morning
or just after workouts - because you are already producing it during sleep.

The other school says you do not produce hGH the same as you did as a child ... "hence
this IS the reason for injecting additional hGH into the body"

- And hGH is programed to naturally be released into body during sleep as ... "this is when it's most effective."

Knowing that - HGH peaks during adolescence - and gradually declines.

At the age of 25-30 it declines 1-2% per year ... they say at the age of 40 you will
be at 40% of what you would be at as of the age or 20.

OK - knowing that - here's why I personally choose injecting before bedtime...

HGH is naturally produced when sleeping - there's a reason our bodies choose this time
- as this is when it is most effective ... "that's just how our bodies work."

For me - I workout very late at night so I get the best of both worlds of injecting before
bed - and after workouts.

It looks like you're doing great!

Repo ... "keep up the great work." :)
 
I think I can see blood still flowing through its veins...lol... damn I could never eat it that rare...

As for the Welts... what are you using Bact Water or sterile water? And what size slin pin? as both of these can be causing the welts.. I use bac water and 5/8" slin 31g

Went to dinner for Juice and I's anniversary yesterday :)

Had steak and lobster, AMAZING! I thought I heard my steak "moo" when I cut it lol

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Looking great Miss Sringsteen!

Mikes advise is spot-on ... "I would only consider this change."

HGH - in the morning is good but you might be better off injecting - "before bed."

I spent a lot of time researching this - as there a lot of very experienced people
with different opinions - so here's what I've found...

One school says you produce hGH during sleep - so you should inject in the morning
or just after workouts - because you are already producing it during sleep.

The other school says you do not produce hGH the same as you did as a child ... "hence
this IS the reason for injecting additional hGH into the body"

- And hGH is programed to naturally be released into body during sleep as ... "this is when it's most effective."

Knowing that - HGH peaks during adolescence - and gradually declines.

At the age of 25-30 it declines 1-2% per year ... they say at the age of 40 you will
be at 40% of what you would be at as of the age or 20.

OK - knowing that - here's why I personally choose injecting before bedtime...

HGH is naturally produced when sleeping - there's a reason our bodies choose this time
- as this is when it is most effective ... "that's just how our bodies work."

For me - I workout very late at night so I get the best of both worlds of injecting before
bed - and after workouts.

It looks like you're doing great!

Repo ... "keep up the great work." :)

Thanks so much for the advice Repo!

I think I can see blood still flowing through its veins...lol... damn I could never eat it that rare...

As for the Welts... what are you using Bact Water or sterile water? And what size slin pin? as both of these can be causing the welts.. I use bac water and 5/8" slin 31g

I use bac water and 29g 1/2" slin pin. I have researched a lot of peptides and would inject 3 times a day and never had issues with welts. Not a big deal just doesnt look to great lol
 
I have been strong as hell lately. Yesterdays workout was great, I am really focusing on building my chest so lots of bench and flyes. I was benching 85 over 20times easily which was nice. I cant go TOOO crazy with bench since I had a problem with my left shoulder a while back so im taking it slow. Already seeing improvements in my chest so im excited :)
 
Today I started FST-7. It was ridiculous! I worked chest and tris and my front delts and chest were on fire, like painfully pumped. I am loving this cycle right now..everytime I get to another vial of HGH I get a little sad lol
 
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