Natural Bodybuilders

[Johnnny]

I'm not going to tell any of you what to do. If you want to spend your on supplements that you think is working.

But I highly doubt that any of these things will even give you 5lbs of muscle in 6 weeks & typical time period. There are many ppl who only gain 5lbs of muscle in 6 weeks from a steroid cycle & they're lucky to keep all of it. There are others who gain 20 or more pounds from a mass building anabolic steroid cycle & are lucky to keep all of it or half of it after the cycle.

From my experience & the experience I know or have met who've tried all of these supplements from 5yrs ago & the ones mentioned in this thread, you'd be lucky to gain 3lbs in 6 weeks from any of these supplements. Plus the ppl I know & myself who did take 1-AD &/or 6-OXO had trouble getting it up south of the border & things didn't return to normal until 2 weeks after we stopped the supplement.

In my mind anabolic steroids are the only "supplements" that work & do what they are supposed to do.

I'm personally done wasting money on supplements that don't work or only give 3lbs in 6 weeks. It's not worth my $200. But you guys do want you want. If you blow up 25lbs more ripped to shreds on this stuff than that's great for you.

As for the neck swelling, I've read some cases November 2003 on the internet about this happening to some users. I've tried finding the information, but the page can't be displayed. I guess the sites down.

In my mind the companies that make this stuff are getting rich from you & laughing at their customers buying their supplements just because Ronnie Coleman a big time anabolic steroid user is hold the supplement jar & there's writing next to him saying he gained 20lbs from rip in 6 weeks. That's how they make their money buy using pro bodybuilders who've been on anabolics & growth hormone/insulin stack for years. But do what you will.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by Johnnny
But I highly doubt that any of these things will even give you 5lbs of muscle in 6 weeks & typical time period.

Doubt it all you want, but me and numerous other people can attest to the fact that the current PH's on the market can & will give you those types of gains. I have personally experienced them, and so have many others right here on this board.

In fact, many people gain 10+ pounds on an 2 week M1T cycle, and 10-15lbs on a 4 week S1+ cycle. If PCT is done correctly 70-80% of all gains are kept.

 

[V Player]

Originally posted by Johnnny
I'm not going to tell any of you what to do. If you want to spend your on supplements that you think is working.

Interesting, Prince. So those muscles you have in your PICTURES you post are all from a placebo effect because they obviously dont work. Outstanding!! And its a good thing you have someone who is kind enough to inform you that they dont work so you arent spending your money foolishly, I mean, you can tell by your muscles and competition photos that they dont work.

Originally posted by Johnnny In my mind

Truer words have never been spoken

Originally posted by Johnnny In my mind

No need to repeat, we ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IT!

 

[gopro]

IT ALL DOESN'T MATTER CAUSE I JUST GOT WORD THAT EVERY SINGLE PH AND PS IS BEING PULLED FROM STORE SHELVES AND INTERNET SITES BY THE FDA AND DHEA BY TOMORROW...ITS ALL OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See next post for details...

 

[gopro]

...just playin

 

[Arnold]

I was about ready to place a very large order!

 

[Dale Mabry]

Originally posted by Johnnny
There are many ppl who only gain 5lbs of muscle in 6 weeks from a steroid cycle & they're lucky to keep all of it.

Right, and they are called women.

Jus playin wit ya.

 

[Johnnny]

If you some of you ppl believe that they give steroid like gains & don't have a negative effect on your health than go ahead & spend your money.

 

[CowPimp]

Originally posted by Johnnny
If you some of you ppl believe that they give steroid like gains & don't have a negative effect on your health than go ahead & spend your money.

Johnnny, just stop. Everyone knows you and your friend's experiences with these supplements. No one cares anymore. Of course they don't work for 100% of everyone who uses them. However, you and your friends are in the minority. Either that, or you didn't properly take them. You cannot deny the countless other people who have experienced significant gains from them. If you do, then you are just in denial because it didn't work for you. I don't doubt they didn't work for you, but they can and do work for others. You have to accept it.

 

[Johnnny]

If you some of you ppl believe that they give steroid like gains & don't have a negative effect on your health than go ahead & spend your money.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Robert DiMaggio
I was about ready to place a very large order!

Thats why I put up the "just playin" post. Originally I was going to post "just kidding" later in the day, then I was like..."oh sh%t, what if people start spending tons of cash!"

 

[Arnold]

hey Eric, since you brought it up...any news/updates on the PH banning at VPX HQ?

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Robert DiMaggio
hey Eric, since you brought it up...any news/updates on the PH banning at VPX HQ?

Nothing solid. As you know androstenedione is banned, like we care, but thanks to some stupid people in this industry the gov't got tipped off to ALL the other PH/PS out there. Originally they only knew about a few. Since the FDA is not playing by the rules, at this point I THINK we are looking at a few months.

 

[OceanDude]

Originally posted by gopro
Thats why I put up the "just playin" post. Originally I was going to post "just kidding" later in the day, then I was like..."oh sh%t, what if people start spending tons of cash!"

It's funny how human nature is. As soon as I read that post it was like omg I got to decide now or never. It might have compelled me to get off the fence even though my common sense says its not for me.

Nasty hoax gopro!
-OD

 

[OceanDude]

Johnny, by the way, no matter what everyone else is saying I appreciate your contrarian perspective. Clearly you have nothing to gain personally by giving your warnings and seem to be suffering a lot of adversity for going against the popular view here. It would have been the easy path to just sit back, shrug it off and ignore it. But you hung in there. Persistence is a good bodybuilding quality. From my perspective, given the abuse here, you sincerely believe and care with all your heart that the things are not all that effective or not worth the trouble and cost. You have said your peace. But, like religion, people will believe what the HELL they want to believe no matter what is reasonable or true to you. And given the choice between water and fire a lot of the more idiotic people will jump head first into the fire just because it's their right to choose to do so and it makes them feel empowered (It's about the only time pissing on someone can be viewed as compassionate ). Don't suffer yourself to understand why people will do things that make no sense to you. My only remaining advice would be to pick your fights. This is coming from a guy who almost never walks away from a challenge (or looses) - so do as I say not as I do. A humorous and more effective long term strategy is to out live your enemies or impregnate their wives . When people start losing all their hair and their gonads shrink up and they lose their cool due to the raging hormones and piss of their mates- it's an easy slam dunk to walk in and take the house. Just joking of course.

But I think you can sync up on what I am saying.

Peace Bro.,
-OD

 

[CowPimp]

Originally posted by OceanDude
Johnny, by the way, no matter what everyone else is saying I appreciate your contrarian perspective. Clearly you have nothing to gain personally by giving your warnings and seem to be suffering a lot of adversity for going against the popular view here. It would have been the easy path to just sit back, shrug it off and ignore it. But you hung in there. Persistence is a good bodybuilding quality. From my perspective, given the abuse here, you sincerely believe and care with all your heart that the things are not all that effective or not worth the trouble and cost. You have said your peace. But, like religion, people will believe what the HELL they want to believe no matter what is reasonable or true to you. And given the choice between water and fire a lot of the more idiotic people will jump head first into the fire just because it's their right to choose to do so and it makes them feel empowered (It's about the only time pissing on someone can be viewed as compassionate ). Don't suffer yourself to understand why people will do things that make no sense to you. My only remaining advice would be to pick your fights. This is coming from a guy who almost never walks away from a challenge (or looses) - so do as I say not as I do. A humorous and more effective long term strategy is to out live your enemies or impregnate their wives . When people start losing all their hair and their gonads shrink up and they lose their cool due to the raging hormones and piss of their mates- it's an easy slam dunk to walk in and take the house. Just joking of course.

But I think you can sync up on what I am saying.

Peace Bro.,
-OD

My problem with Johnnny wasn't his opposing beliefs. I do not, and will never, take steroids or hormones of any kind. My problem with his statements is the fact that countless people have had positive results, and he not only expressed his negative experience with these products, but tried to discount other people's positive experiences.

 

[Johnnny]

If you some of you ppl believe that they give steroid like gains & don't have a negative effect on your health than go ahead & spend your money.

 

[V Player]

Hear that, Robert? You actually have clearance now.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by OceanDude
It's funny how human nature is. As soon as I read that post it was like omg I got to decide now or never. It might have compelled me to get off the fence even though my common sense says its not for me.

Nasty hoax gopro!
-OD

ooops...sorry...LOL! Almost got a decision outta you huh?

 

[PreMier]

Originally posted by gopro
ooops...sorry...LOL! Almost got a decision outta you huh?

Scared me... I almost pulled a "Prince" and splurged on supps. haha

 

[chiquita6683]

Originally posted by young d
I feel natural bodybuilders are BB who use whey, multivits, maybe a bit of creatine... glutamine... etc, products that occur naturally that they would get from food sources if possible but seeing they can afford it and don't have the time to just cook meals all day they supplement certain nutrition needs

I think someone who uses anabolic stuff and 1-ad, test... etc is un-natural

I'd go for the "NatuOnly use vitamins and protein powders as supplements" but i feel they are allowed to use some other supplements as well like creatine, cla, efa's, maltodextrin etc

i'm sure you get where i'm coming from

peace

i agree!

 

[chiquita6683]

ok sorry my attentions spent on this thread now, i didnt get to read every1s opinions but i voiced mine kinda

 

[V Player]

Ai chiquita....no tienes que explicar. Como disen en ingles? "you go wit yo' bad self!"

 

[Johnnny]

I agree with chiquita6683 & young d on this despite what others think.

A good whey protein & 7-8 solid meals a day is the best way to go.

It's easy to have 6 or 7 meals a day without being home all day cooking. I hardly have the time to do that with work, night school, the gym, girlfriend etc......

If you have some sort of counter top grill such as the George Foreman (with different sizes), you can cook chicken, beef, steak or fish in less than 5 mins. I pre-cook all my food to last me 3-4 days at a time that stays completely fresh & full of flavor in a good tupperware. This way I can just pack 3 or 4 meals or whatever I need in less than a minute & go. I always have enough food & water with me where ever I am whether it's at work, or my 2 nights a week of school or even if I'm stuck in traffic or whatever this is the best way to go.

 

[chiquita6683]

Originally posted by Johnnny
I agree with chiquita6683 & young d on this despite what others think.

A good whey protein & 7-8 solid meals a day is the best way to go.

It's easy to have 6 or 7 meals a day without being home all day cooking. I hardly have the time to do that with work, night school, the gym, girlfriend etc......

If you have some sort of counter top grill such as the George Foreman (with different sizes), you can cook chicken, beef, steak or fish in less than 5 mins. I pre-cook all my food to last me 3-4 days at a time that stays completely fresh & full of flavor in a good tupperware. This way I can just pack 3 or 4 meals or whatever I need in less than a minute & go. I always have enough food & water with me where ever I am whether it's at work, or my 2 nights a week of school or even if I'm stuck in traffic or whatever this is the best way to go.

uh no hablas espanol, habla ingles por favor?
Yay! im bout to take a trip, where i gotta know espanol
haha so im practicing w u i guess
btw i understood what u said, I THINK

so anyway Johnny baby wazhappenin? can u figure out how to download a picture to IM=ironmag
u dont hafta take me seriously, im justa flirt! check out my profile/gallery, if ya got time.
ya feel me?

oh no im gettin a headache its 1230 in fl anywayz, i was gonna try to finish my xtra special post, bout my really really really, really really really really really really really really really reallyreallyREALLY Good Day!!!

k um i was gonna TRY2askya en espanol but i dont wanna think, i just wanna take my meds n get in my beddybye (my aunt always says beddybye! isnt it cute!) *clears throat*

Mr. Metal V. Player:
Would you please have the courtesy of posting this in My Journal?

*yea thats all Professional like n thats "the way"/what i need to practice, and no better place to practice than in My Journal,(that happens to be on the net) rite? RIIGHT!

ok? ok! sleepy time!!!!

damnit! i wanna put the cute face w the Zs, u no? but i cant find it!gurrrr!
just thought to put the yawn face, didnt have2 look that 1 up tho....oh now im takin out some faces, *cause this replys all purty* *flutters eyelashes*(man there should be a face 4 that!)
its now bout 100am..........damn it takes me a long azz time!
finally! 8faces! oh hey new guy i was hitting on, u hit "quote" in the corner
101!!! damnit gonna be a huuuge post, its takin me a few days!

 

[chiquita6683]

1:04^

 

[V Player]

Originally posted by chiquita6683
Mr. Metal V. Player:
Would you please have the courtesy of posting this in My Journal?(

Sure. Anything for a lady. A quien es muy amable y ala mejor muy linda. Exactly how do I do this?

 

[Johnnny]

chiquita6683 I personally think Spanish is such a sexy & romantic language not to mention the women from Spain & other Hispanic women in the world are gorgeous. It's been about 7yrs that I took Spanish in College & got an %80 in writing but never cont'd it. I can't remember why, now I remember because the 2nd level course was only available in the summer time for some stupid reason & I was always away for several weeks. I should get my books out & touch up

 

[chiquita6683]

Originally posted by Metal V Player
Sure. Anything for a lady. A quien es muy amable y ala mejor muy linda. Exactly how do I do this?

Ummmmmmmmmmmm...........................i THINK its~

something bout im very beautiful? or easy? idk!

*ok make this window big, now, ..............
damnit how do i xplain this 1? im doin it w my email, comprende?

click quote in the corner, then hilite, copy, then go to my journal,


http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25280


and paste it! voila!


ahhhhhhhhhhhhh ok maybe i need2gOver myself!

Oh and post this 2 plz

 

[Johnnny]

chiquita6683 I just read that link about what had happened to in those 2 car accidents. I'm really sory to hear that, & about your mother.

I hope your ex-boyfriend was a responsible driver. I see a lot of men & boys driving wrecklessly in town or on the highway. I myself at times have driven fast, but never do it in a wreckless way. Sometimes I see stupid guys zig-zagging in & out of lanes all over the road just to get 2 cars ahead of someone. I don't see the point of that.

Good luck in your goal, I hope you achieve it.