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The Navy has named a ship for Gabrielle Giffords, the recently retired congresswoman from Arizona who is recovering from a gunshot wound to the head received in January 2011. The littoral combat ship is among the Navy's most versatile. (Feb. 10)

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Former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was present at the pentagon when Secretary Mabus announced the LCS 10 would be named after her.

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Navy names littoral combat ship after Gabrielle Giffords

By KIM GEIGER
Tribune Washington Bureau
Feb. 10, 2012

WASHINGTON -- Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus announced Friday that the next Independence variant littoral combat ship will be named after Gabrielle Giffords, the former Arizona congresswoman who survived being shot in the head last January when a gunman opened fire as Giffords met with constituents outside a Tucson grocery store.

Six others, including 9-year-old Christina Taylor-Green, were killed in the shooting and 13, including Giffords, were wounded.

Mabus said the ship's sponsor will be Roxanna Green, Taylor-Green's mother. In naval tradition, a ship's sponsor's "spirit and presence guide the ship throughout its service life," according to a Defense Department statement.

Giffords was presented with an artist's rendering of what will be the USS Gabrielle Giffords at a Pentagon ceremony Friday afternoon.

"I am pleased to honor Gabrielle Giffords and the people of Arizona with the naming of this ship," Mabus said. "Giffords and the ship's sponsor, Roxanna Green, are sources of great inspiration and represent the Navy and Marine Corps qualities of overcoming, adapting and coming out victoriously despite great challenges."

The decision was announced shortly after Giffords visited the White House, where she watched as President Barack Obama signed into law the final bill she introduced as a congresswoman. Giffords retired last month to focus on her recovery.

Construction of the 419-foot-long ship will be led by Austal Shipbuilding in Mobile, Ala. It will be the 17th ship named after a woman.

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Quantity over quality?

If the USS Cole was built to these standard, would she have survived?
(Can we really say she "survived"?)

Dont think so.

This vessel makes sense as we are increasing our reliance on drones but I wouldnt want to serve on her. I'd like to see other articles that concentrate on the strengths of the ship.

After years of botched contracts and cost overruns, the Navy has finally signed contracts to buy a bunch of its speedy, near-shore Littoral Combat Ships ??? at a per-copy price nearly a third cheaper than expected. But hold the Champagne. The cost-cutting that made the LCS so affordable might also doom the ships to watery graves in future conflicts. ???We have a warship design that is not expected to fight and survive in the very environment in which it was produced to do so,??? one critic at the U.S. Naval Institute blog claims, describing the LCS as ???poorly-armed??? and ???poorly-protected??? for dangerous, crowded coastal waters.

When the LCS deals were announced last week, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus crowed that they would ???provide needed ships to our fleet in a timely and extraordinarily cost effective manner.??? Instead of picking one shipbuilder, the Navy tapped rival firms Austal and Lockheed Martin to build 10 LCS apiece through 2015, each using their own distinct design. The cost per ship? Just $450 million, at least $200 million below the cost of each of the four prototypes.

But to get those low, low price, the ships will be built to commercial, rather than military, structural standards ??? meaning they???re lighter and less blast- and fire-resistant. Indeed, the Navy does not even have plans to subject the LCS to traditional blast-testing, ???due to the damage that would be sustained by the ship,??? the Congressional Research Service points out.

The LCS also optimizes speed over weaponry. Lockheed???s version has what Operations Officer Tony Hyde, from USS Freedom (the first Lockheed prototype), described as ???the largest marine gas turbines in the world ??? essentially the engines of a 777 jetliner.??? The turbines??? 100,000 horsepower can propel the LCS at up to 50 knots, compared to 30 for most warships. But that high speed ???will eat through a fuel supply in half a day,??? the USNI critic scoffs.

Former Freedom commanding officer Don Gabrielson said in 2008 that high speed could help the LCS respond better to pirate attacks and assaults by small boats such as those used by Iran. But an extra 20 knots aren???t likely to make much difference if someone???s shooting supersonic anti-ship missiles at you, whereas extra armor plating just might.

So is the LCS a tremendous bargain for a cash-strapped Navy, or an underweight death-trap for its crew? The answer could be both, with caveats. Eric Wertheim, an independent naval analyst and author of the authoritative Combat Fleets of the World, tells Danger Room that all shipbuilding plans must take into account ???political considerations, economic considerations, military considerations [and] industrial considerations.??? In other words, a ship isn???t just a ship. It???s also a jobs program, an industrial subsidy and a number on a treaty document.

???As much as it seems like a simple decision of which ship is the best, politicians and military leaders are frequently forced to look at long term implications for things like the health of the shipbuilding base,??? Wertheim points out. ???For example, what would happen if we don???t share work, would one of the shipyards have to close? And is that a good decision in terms of long-range national security????

To be sure, locking in 20 ships at just $450 million apiece ??? compared to around $2 billion for a new Arleigh Burke-class destroyer ??? will keep two shipyards in business and help the Navy reverse the slow decline of its current 280-strong fleet. This at a time when the Navy is not involved in at-sea combat, and instead spends much of its time chasing pirates and smugglers. For these ???other-than-war??? tasks, speed and sheer numbers of vessels both matter.

Also, the Navy already has more than enough high-end, military-grade warships for any potential future showdown with, say, China. This force includes some 90 cruisers, destroyers and soon-to-debut stealth battleships: the most powerful surface fleet in the history of the world, by far, and one that???s massive overkill in anything short of World War III. But after retiring many of its minesweepers, patrol boats and frigates, what the Navy doesn???t have is enough low-end warships for all the mundane work of a busy, globally-deployed military. The LCS can help correct that imbalance.

Plus, there are emerging technologies that, when combined with the LCS, might revolutionize the way the Navy fights. The LCS includes a huge hangar bay for carrying Marines, manned helicopters, aerial drones and surface-skimming robots. One oceangoing robot on the drawing board ??? a quiet, sonar-equipped sub-chaser ??? alone has the potential to deter China???s fast-growing, carrier-threatening submarine fleet. If this bot ever makes it into service aboard the LCS, critics might forget they once hated the cheap, lightweight near-shore warship.

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Original source: Navy's New Warship: Bargain, Death Trap or Both? | Danger Room | Wired.com
 
one term and gets shot and get a ship great:coffee:
 
Like it or not, she is a national hero. Serving the public in congress, okay maybe not the public but, being in congress or the like if someone tried to assassinate you that will make you a hero.

Though I think the world would be better off with some, if not most, of our politicians were dead shooting them is not the way this country works. As bad as it has gotten this is still the USA!
 
Like it or not, she is a national hero. Serving the public in congress, okay maybe not the public but, being in congress or the like if someone tried to assassinate you that will make you a hero.

Though I think the world would be better off with some, if not most, of our politicians were dead shooting them is not the way this country works. As bad as it has gotten this is still the USA!
i guess the thousands of arabs that tried to kill me don't count:coffee:
 
i guess the thousands of arabs that tried to kill me don't count:coffee:

I'm sure the fact that a bullet penetrated her freaking skull scored Giffords points.

And, come on, what chance did those Arabs have against you, the Dark Geared God!?
 
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Littoral Combat Ships

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Quantity over quality?

If the USS Cole was built to these standard, would she have survived?
(Can we really say she "survived"?)

Dont think so.

This vessel makes sense as we are increasing our reliance on drones but I wouldnt want to serve on her. I'd like to see other articles that concentrate on the strengths of the ship.

After years of botched contracts and cost overruns, the Navy has finally signed contracts to buy a bunch of its speedy, near-shore Littoral Combat Ships ??? at a per-copy price nearly a third cheaper than expected. But hold the Champagne. The cost-cutting that made the LCS so affordable might also doom the ships to watery graves in future conflicts. ???We have a warship design that is not expected to fight and survive in the very environment in which it was produced to do so,??? one critic at the U.S. Naval Institute blog claims, describing the LCS as ???poorly-armed??? and ???poorly-protected??? for dangerous, crowded coastal waters.

When the LCS deals were announced last week, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus crowed that they would ???provide needed ships to our fleet in a timely and extraordinarily cost effective manner.??? Instead of picking one shipbuilder, the Navy tapped rival firms Austal and Lockheed Martin to build 10 LCS apiece through 2015, each using their own distinct design. The cost per ship? Just $450 million, at least $200 million below the cost of each of the four prototypes.

But to get those low, low price, the ships will be built to commercial, rather than military, structural standards ??? meaning they???re lighter and less blast- and fire-resistant. Indeed, the Navy does not even have plans to subject the LCS to traditional blast-testing, ???due to the damage that would be sustained by the ship,??? the Congressional Research Service points out.

The LCS also optimizes speed over weaponry. Lockheed???s version has what Operations Officer Tony Hyde, from USS Freedom (the first Lockheed prototype), described as ???the largest marine gas turbines in the world ??? essentially the engines of a 777 jetliner.??? The turbines??? 100,000 horsepower can propel the LCS at up to 50 knots, compared to 30 for most warships. But that high speed ???will eat through a fuel supply in half a day,??? the USNI critic scoffs.

Former Freedom commanding officer Don Gabrielson said in 2008 that high speed could help the LCS respond better to pirate attacks and assaults by small boats such as those used by Iran. But an extra 20 knots aren???t likely to make much difference if someone???s shooting supersonic anti-ship missiles at you, whereas extra armor plating just might.

So is the LCS a tremendous bargain for a cash-strapped Navy, or an underweight death-trap for its crew? The answer could be both, with caveats. Eric Wertheim, an independent naval analyst and author of the authoritative Combat Fleets of the World, tells Danger Room that all shipbuilding plans must take into account ???political considerations, economic considerations, military considerations [and] industrial considerations.??? In other words, a ship isn???t just a ship. It???s also a jobs program, an industrial subsidy and a number on a treaty document.

???As much as it seems like a simple decision of which ship is the best, politicians and military leaders are frequently forced to look at long term implications for things like the health of the shipbuilding base,??? Wertheim points out. ???For example, what would happen if we don???t share work, would one of the shipyards have to close? And is that a good decision in terms of long-range national security????

To be sure, locking in 20 ships at just $450 million apiece ??? compared to around $2 billion for a new Arleigh Burke-class destroyer ??? will keep two shipyards in business and help the Navy reverse the slow decline of its current 280-strong fleet. This at a time when the Navy is not involved in at-sea combat, and instead spends much of its time chasing pirates and smugglers. For these ???other-than-war??? tasks, speed and sheer numbers of vessels both matter.

Also, the Navy already has more than enough high-end, military-grade warships for any potential future showdown with, say, China. This force includes some 90 cruisers, destroyers and soon-to-debut stealth battleships: the most powerful surface fleet in the history of the world, by far, and one that???s massive overkill in anything short of World War III. But after retiring many of its minesweepers, patrol boats and frigates, what the Navy doesn???t have is enough low-end warships for all the mundane work of a busy, globally-deployed military. The LCS can help correct that imbalance.

Plus, there are emerging technologies that, when combined with the LCS, might revolutionize the way the Navy fights. The LCS includes a huge hangar bay for carrying Marines, manned helicopters, aerial drones and surface-skimming robots. One oceangoing robot on the drawing board ??? a quiet, sonar-equipped sub-chaser ??? alone has the potential to deter China???s fast-growing, carrier-threatening submarine fleet. If this bot ever makes it into service aboard the LCS, critics might forget they once hated the cheap, lightweight near-shore warship.

From Littoral Combat Ships

Original source: Navy's New Warship: Bargain, Death Trap or Both? | Danger Room | Wired.com

Comparing a DDG to an LCS?....really?

I do agree they are a little under armed (but its mission specific)...an 8 cell MK56 VLS in the bow would be a nice addition
 
I knew there couldn't have been many especially combat ships
 
i guess the thousands of arabs that tried to kill me don't count:coffee:

Not at all. Nope they don't count for doo doo. I don't think that we should name ships for any of our military forces. That would be, IMO, a dishonor to them.

All of our armed forces deserve SO VERY MUCH more than a stupid naming of a ship.

Maybe something like this...Respect, gratitude, medical care that they need, jobs when they get home, not to be used as political pawns but in the true defense of this nation....

Hows that for a start?

Feel free to add to the list.

And DGG I know I joke around but I have the first 2 things in the list already. Respect and gratitude for all our military members. Past and present.
 
i guess the thousands of arabs that tried to kill me don't count:coffee:

you mean when you invaded their back-yards after traveling half way around the world to get there...attacking a country with no real ICBM tech, no real air-force and a joke of a navy, some threat....
 
i guess the thousands of arabs that tried to kill me don't count:coffee:


I'd name it after you instead of her.

I'm so sick of hearing about this bitch and she's made out to be someone special just because she's another elected DC crook. It's not like she was one of the ones killed by that liberal nut job. How many housing project neggers were shot and killed yesterday alone and how many have we ever named a ship after? She isn't any better than anyone else who has ever been shot in this country.

Thanks for serving DGG. I hope you have many confirmed kills. :coffee:
 
Like it or not, she is a national hero. Serving the public in congress, okay maybe not the public but, being in congress or the like if someone tried to assassinate you that will make you a hero.



How? What did she actually DO that would make you think she's a hero? She won a popularity contest (election), big deal. :jerkit: Some lunatic decided to shoot up a crowd, hitting her in the process. True, her battle to recover from that gunshot would could be considered heroic in nature but still, her service to the nation is mediocre at best.
 
I'm sure the fact that a bullet penetrated her freaking skull scored Giffords points.

And, come on, what chance did those Arabs have against you, the Dark Geared God!?

^^^This is A big True^6
At least i wasn't like mr.F natonal guard unit, in the rear changing oil in the hummers..put him in for a bronze star
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can't think of any other Navy ships named after a woman, she may be the first or one of very few.

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I remember seeing this not too long ago. It may have been on this site, but I'm not 100% on that. Maybe a bit off-topic, but...
 
How? What did she actually DO that would make you think she's a hero? She won a popularity contest (election), big deal. :jerkit: Some lunatic decided to shoot up a crowd, hitting her in the process. True, her battle to recover from that gunshot would could be considered heroic in nature but still, her service to the nation is mediocre at best.

I didn't mean to say she deserved to be a national hero or not. Just stating what I see as the way she is being treated.

I will agree 100% that he struggle to recover is heroic and inspiring.
 
I didn't mean to say she deserved to be a national hero or not. Just stating what I see as the way she is being treated.

I will agree 100% that he struggle to recover is heroic and inspiring.


Ah, gotcha. Agreed.
 
you mean when you invaded their back-yards after traveling half way around the world to get there...attacking a country with no real ICBM tech, no real air-force and a joke of a navy, some threat....
Amen. I killed many of them with no high tec,Just a man and his gun and a few RPG's:coffee:
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on a side note goat meat and milk is very good..check it out some time lam:coffee:
 
Amen. I killed many of them with no high tec,Just a man and his gun and a few RPG's:coffee:

Holy shit! I'm jealous! I'd give anything to bump off a few arabs. Kind of makes me wish I'd served in Iraq. Nothin' prettier than a dead sand negger.

As far as the bitch getting a ship named after her, I can understand JFK, but this is a bad joke. Why not just put her pic on the $20 bill? All the cunt did was win a popularity contest and get her frontal lobe rearranged by some whackjob. There are another 434 politicians in congress who could use some of the same therapy.
 
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Holy shit! I'm jealous! I'd give anything to bump off a few arabs. Kind of makes me wish I'd served in Iraq. Nothin' prettier than a dead sand negger.

As far as the bitch getting a ship named after her, I can understand JFK, but this is a bad joke. Why not just put her pic on the $20 bill? All the cunt did was win a popularity contest and get her frontal lobe rearranged by some whackjob. There are another 434 politicians in congress who could use some of the same therapy.

Whats even more funny is when u find extra bodys parts like a spare arm..:coffee:
 
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