Need diet feedback

[antelope07]

Currently doing low carb diet. Using 5 days low carbs, max of 40 grams per day carbs, and 2 refeed days.
I have lost 7 lbs my first week, perhaps beginners luck, but was wondering what people feel when dieting this way? I have heard it is hell and I dont feel all that bad, a littel headache, thats about it. I am worried I am not depleting glycogen properly for some reason.
I take Isopure Zero Carb protein, up to 6 shakes a day and use VPX thin fat for dietary fat, which has MCTin it. I also eat nuts, and meats whatever protein and fat source foods i desire, (really not all that much) am taking EC and 200 mg/ml per week of test cyp.
LEt me know how this sounds. Have I made a mistake? Should I go to one refeed day?

 

[tucker01]

Post your complete diet with Cals and Macro's

6 shakes a day?!?!?

 

[antelope07]

ok,
a typical day might be:
4 shakes, and with each shake, 1 tbsp of VPX thin fat, 1 tbsp Twin Lab MCT fuel
it works out to 210 cals for teh shake, 126 cals for thin fat, and 65 Cals for the MCT fuel, if i do that 4 times, each time is a meal, it works out to 401 calories each time, and 4 times is 1604 calories.
LAter in the day i eat some real food, chicken, I weigh out and know that 6oz is approx 232 cals. and later tuna in water which is 299 calories.
Total of 2135 calories in a day for what i mentioned. It might vary slightly, maybe beef or turkey but thats it. Also, I rely on the carbs in the MCT fuel for my carb intake. It only works out to like 24-25 grams of carbs a DAY. So if thats right, and a normal ketogenic diet like atkins says a max of 40 grams carbs a day, im wondering if something else isnt out of whack. I thought I should feel hellish by now, not that i mind feeling ok. I dunno, maybe im ok. I really thought i would feel more fatigue thatn I do. Maybe i just need more time its only been just over a week.
I dont do six shakes a day, its UP TO six, however i cant handle that, maybe shouldnt have said it like that. The eating is bland and boring but I can tell I have gotten a result, I just want it to continue, so let me know if you think this sounds in line.
Thx for your help.

 

[tucker01]

No offense, but can you break that down into something a little more ledgible?

something like

Meal 1
Blah
Blah
Blah
Cals/Macros

Meal 2
Blah
Blah
Blah
Cals Macros.

and so on. It is just a little hard to read along and follow.

 

[zonaguy03]

Currently doing low carb diet. Using 5 days low carbs, max of 40 grams per day carbs, and 2 refeed days.
I have lost 7 lbs my first week, perhaps beginners luck, but was wondering what people feel when dieting this way? I have heard it is hell and I dont feel all that bad, a littel headache, thats about it. I am worried I am not depleting glycogen properly for some reason.
I take Isopure Zero Carb protein, up to 6 shakes a day and use VPX thin fat for dietary fat, which has MCTin it. I also eat nuts, and meats whatever protein and fat source foods i desire, (really not all that much) am taking EC and 200 mg/ml per week of test cyp.
LEt me know how this sounds. Have I made a mistake? Should I go to one refeed day?

Just curious, how do you like the Isopure Zero Carb protein? taste? feelings? I've never tried it before.

 

[antelope07]

HEy zona
I like the Isopure zero carb, it isnt the best tasting thing out there, I like desighner whey, but it gets the job done, and im not complaining. The flavors seem to be limited.

 

[antelope07]

Meal 1-3
Shake
MCT Fuel
Thinfat
401 calories per meal or 1203 calories

meal 4
shake
thin fat
336 calories

meal 5
chicken (6oz)
shake
442 calories

meal six
tuna in water
300 calories

total daily calories 2281

Hope this added to the above makes sense
thanks again

 

[zonaguy03]

seen results obviously besides the 7 lb decrease? my parents' friend, which is a nurse, uses it. she works with the top diet experts in the world.

 

[KentDog]

Just curious, how do you like the Isopure Zero Carb protein? taste? feelings? I've never tried it before.

It tastes pretty decent from what I can remember. I still like the taste of Optimum Nutrition whey better, but by no means is the Isopure stuff something you need to choke down.

 

[KentDog]

Why so many shakes as opposed to solid foods, antelope?

 

[antelope07]

KEntDog,
It seems like a good way to control the carbs, its very simple to do, ya know? There are pros and cons, but so far im sticking with it. Notice im maxing out carbs at 40 grams per day, and not even really getting that much, despite getting over 2000 calories daily, so its just low carb not low calorie.
Also, I get confused sometimes with food, for example some foods count in 2 categories like yogurt has carbs and protein, and avocado is fat and carbs if im not mistaken.
So why so many shakes? Just to keep it simple. Boring as hell, but simple.

 

[forum9351]

just curious, why such a low carbohydrate intake, 40 grams a day is too little. what do you expect your body to burn as fuel?

 

[antelope07]

I expect to induce ketosis, and for my body to burn fat stores, this is teh atkins diet guideline, 40 grams max carbs

 

[KentDog]

I have heard mixed reviews about ketosis. Personally, I stay away from it because other methods have worked for me just fine, and having done carb cycling before, I can tell you no/low carb days are not my thing. Why not do a more traditional diet (40/40/20 type split, consisting primarily of solid foods)? At least before trying ketosis.

If you are getting confused, it may be beneficial to create a spreadsheet to track protein/carbs/fats intake.

 

[antelope07]

how do you do your spread sheet? that never occured to me.
I actually have a 40/40/20 diet, however I was curious about this method becuse so many others seem to have had success using ketosis, and my lack of knowledge and experience was teh catalyst for the post.
SO far, I am going to stay on it.

 

[forum9351]

Atkins is a crap diet, and what do you mean by having success using ketosis? Ketones are toxic and can lead to acidosis (you don't want this). There is not too many things that are good with a low CHO intake.

 

[antelope07]

Thank you for that,
The whole reason for my post was to inquire about what i was attempting. What do you suggest?
Other people seem to have lost fat on ketogenic diets is what I meant by that.
Open to any and all suggestions

 

[forum9351]

I get what your saying. If your going to burn fat, ketones will develop and will be in your blood. That's just what happens when you breakdown fat and use it for energy. I would suggest a higher CHO intake (40/40/20 is just fine) and a lower caloric intake than what you burn per day. Ketones will form when you burn that fat, but if you don't do anything extreme there won't be much of a problem. Remember that CHO are the bodies key energy source. You don't want to be burning too much fat and you certainly do not want to use amino acids for energy.

 

[tucker01]

I am not a big fan of Lo-carb Atkins style diets personally.

What are you trying to achieve?

Your diet lacks fibrous veggies/ and EFA's

 

[antelope07]

NO Doubt Iain, there are no vegetables or fibrous foods, however the EFA complex in the thin fat should be sufficient, that is my EFA source.
My goal is overall fat reduction, cant blame people for not being an atkins style diet fan, its controversial at the least.
Based on what forum said, I Like the sound of a lower calorie 40/40/20
I haventhad some of the side effects I have heard of on this, however my sleep has been greatly disrupted, not sure if there is a link.
Thanks guys, youa re most helpful.
Ant

 

[Zinthar]

Why not try carb cycling? I suppose with 2 refeeds per week you're not too far off of that, but maybe just make 3 days per week low carb (<30-40), have 2 days with refeed meals (w/ only good carb sources), and then 2 days with some fruit and good carbs in 2 meals or so.

The biggest problem I see with what you're doing is that you seem to be completely lacking vegetables. Add in some broccoli and green beans every day -- they're low in carbs, and you need fiber. You should probably supplement with some more fiber and fish oil.

2 years ago I did a diet similar to yours, but my meal composition was more like:

Meal 1:
4 egg whites + 2 whole eggs
(+ Oatmeal on refeed days)
Small Shake

Meal 2:
6oz grilled chicken w/ horseradish mustard
Green Beans
2 Tblspoons of olive oil (to drink right off the spoon)

Meal 3:
Large Shake

Meal 4:
6oz grilled salmon or sauteed chicken (usually cooked in olive oil w/ slices of garlic, onion, and cremini mushrooms thrown in)
Broccoli

Meal 5:
Large Shake

Meal 6:
Tuna and/or casein protein shake

I would usually take 1-2g of fish oil with each meal unless I was going to be grilling salmon for dinner on that evening. On refeed days I would add a large serving of brown rice seasoned with some olive oil and herbs with one meal, and a sweet potato to another.

I was able to stay on this diet until I started dating a girl who loved to cook for me... and I just couldn't resist some of the high-carb stuff she made. I felt good while I was on it -- I lost a lot of fat and added a few pounds of muscle over the course of about 4 months. I've kept all the muscle, but have slowly regained the fat through AWFUL diet choices (fast food) during a stressful job change.

I think I'll give it a go again... it's a much easier way, IMO, to get yourself into the habit of avoiding junk food and sugars and then move into a healthier carb cycling diet after a while.

 

[KentDog]

how do you do your spread sheet? that never occured to me.
I actually have a 40/40/20 diet, however I was curious about this method becuse so many others seem to have had success using ketosis, and my lack of knowledge and experience was teh catalyst for the post.
SO far, I am going to stay on it.

When I am being really strict, I will weigh out what I eat in grams (or sometimes servings). On my spreadsheet, I will list the nutritional info for the most common foods I eat and then develop a mathematical formula that will alter the nutritional info by portion consumed (when typed in). I then copy and paste these to track meals and calories or to develop a rough guideline of what to eat. I add up total calories and try to get macros as consistant as possible divided through 5-7 meals. I haven't done this for over a year, but I may go back to it this fall. PM me your email address and I can send you a sample.