Need Help, Really Worried. (PCT + Libido Question)

[HayBrah]

I ran Test Prop and Tren Ace for about 8 weeks for my second cycle.
Weeks 1-6
Test Prop - 100 EOD
Week 7
Test Prop - 100 EOD
Tren A - 75 EOD
Week 8
Test Prop - 100 EOD
Tren A - 100 EOD for 3 days

Started PCT 2 weeks ago
Clomid and Nolva
WEEK 1-2
50 mgs Clomid
20 mgs Nolva
WEEK 3 (didnt start it yet but planning on doing..)
40 mgs Nolva
WEEK 4
20 mgs Nolva

Running DHEA 100 mgs a day for PCT as well, planning on picking up Tribulus(sp?) tomorrow.

My problem is, thus far into the PCT (2 weeks) my sex drive is gone, I cant obtain a full hard on (no homo) and when I fap its soft until I finish. I just wanna get my libido back, I have no urge to have sex and cant even maintain a hard on. This is starting to get frustrating/scary, Im wondering if its the Clomid thats doing this? Is this normal? When can I expect my sex drive to come back? Please help guys, thanks in advance.

 

[srbijadotokija]

I ran Test Prop and Tren Ace for about 8 weeks for my second cycle.
Weeks 1-6
Test Prop - 100 EOD
Week 7
Test Prop - 100 EOD
Tren A - 75 EOD
Week 8
Test Prop - 100 EOD
Tren A - 100 EOD for 3 days

Started PCT 2 weeks ago
Clomid and Nolva
WEEK 1-2
50 mgs Clomid
20 mgs Nolva
WEEK 3 (didnt start it yet but planning on doing..)
40 mgs Nolva
WEEK 4
20 mgs Nolva

Running DHEA 100 mgs a day for PCT as well, planning on picking up Tribulus(sp?) tomorrow.

My problem is, thus far into the PCT (2 weeks) my sex drive is gone, I cant obtain a full hard on (no homo) and when I fap its soft until I finish. I just wanna get my libido back, I have no urge to have sex and cant even maintain a hard on. This is starting to get frustrating/scary, Im wondering if its the Clomid thats doing this? Is this normal? When can I expect my sex drive to come back? Please help guys, thanks in advance.

Try stack of 100 mg viagra, 10 mg cialis and 20 mg levitra, If this will not work than change your boyfriend.

 

[HayBrah]

Try stack of 100 mg viagra, 10 mg cialis and 20 mg levitra, If this will not work than change your boyfriend.

Good one brah.

I saw in the other thread you said you wanted to see pics of "real American steroids", Ill post pics if you answer seriously.

 

[jmorrison]

I had a similiar issue after coming off of Mdrol of all things. It turned out that my prolactin was borked. The endo put me on levitra while I was doing my PCT and it eventually straightened out. The levitra worked wonders by the way.

 

[XYZ]

I don't mean to be a dick but..............what did you really expect?

You used no HCG anywhere that I can see, you're using nolva with a progesterone, you used the hardest hitting AAS in regards to shut down and you're wondering WHY?

Here is what I would do starting right now:

-3000ius HCG EOD for two weeks
-AROMASIN at 25mg E3D for 3 weeks
-Cabergoline at .25mg E3D for 3 weeks
-Clomid at 100mg for four weeks

 

[HayBrah]

I had a similiar issue after coming off of Mdrol of all things. It turned out that my prolactin was borked. The endo put me on levitra while I was doing my PCT and it eventually straightened out. The levitra worked wonders by the way.

I dont wanna resort to something for ED so early though, I've been reading that the Clomid can really do this to your libido and was hoping that was the cause.

I don't mean to be a dick but..............what did you really expect?

You used no HCG anywhere that I can see, you're using nolva with a progesterone, you used the hardest hitting AAS in regards to shut down and you're wondering WHY?

Here is what I would do starting right now:

-3000ius HCG EOD for two weeks
-AROMASIN at 25mg E3D for 3 weeks
-Cabergoline at .25mg E3D for 3 weeks
-Clomid at 100mg for four weeks

Thanks for your feedback man, but I didnt think it was necessary to use HCG because I ran Tren for only 2 weeks (I still have half the bottle left lol) at the minimum dosages and the cycle itself was pretty short. I have no problem getting HCG at this point, I just need to know if its necessary so soon into my PCT? I was really just wondering if this is normal to have such a low libido thus far (2 weeks into PCT)? If it makes any difference Im 22 btw.

 

[XYZ]

I dont wanna resort to something for ED so early though, I've been reading that the Clomid can really do this to your libido and was hoping that was the cause.



Thanks for your feedback man, but I didnt think it was necessary to use HCG because I ran Tren for only 2 weeks (I still have half the bottle left lol) at the minimum dosages and the cycle itself was pretty short. I have no problem getting HCG at this point, I just need to know if its necessary so soon into my PCT? I was really just wondering if this is normal to have such a low libido thus far (2 weeks into PCT)? If it makes any difference Im 22 btw.

I would still use it. Tren will shut you down in the first injection.

Yes, it's normal to have a poor libido thus far. Try proviron it's not supressive and can help. 50mg ED would be a good start.

 

[HayBrah]

I would still use it. Tren will shut you down in the first injection.

Yes, it's normal to have a poor libido thus far. Try proviron it's not supressive and can help. 50mg ED would be a good start.

Thanks for your feedback again man. You'd recommend proviron over Tribulus + DHEA stack? I could also get HCG as early as this weekend, but as far as I read its only beneficial if ran towards the end of the cycle to help keep test production up, wouldn't it be useless to run it at the end of my PCT (considering Im 2 weeks in already and have 2 more weeks to go)?

 

[XYZ]

Thanks for your feedback again man. You'd recommend proviron over Tribulus + DHEA stack? I could also get HCG as early as this weekend, but as far as I read its only beneficial if ran towards the end of the cycle to help keep test production up, wouldn't it be useless to run it at the end of my PCT (considering Im 2 weeks in already and have 2 more weeks to go)?

You're welcome.

Yes, proviron over that other stuff.

Ok, I'm a little confused are you into a PCT or 2 weeks into a cycle? If your into the PCT run the HCG as I posted earlier. If you're still on cycle do 500ius ED and increase the test or drop the tren dose a little. The problem seems to be the ratio of test to tren. Nand. are known for doing this, as they are very supressive.

 

[jmorrison]

I dont wanna resort to something for ED so early though, I've been reading that the Clomid can really do this to your libido and was hoping that was the cause.

Bro, don't sweat it, its not permanent ED medication. He gave me 2 sample packs of 10 each, and by the time I ran out I was good to go. And if you havent tried it, I highly suggest it. Im talking weaponized boners. I could have fucked up a manatee with that thing.

 

[bigrene]

chocalatethunder thats cool to see someone to suggest cabergoline and hcg at roughly 6000ius a week. I also read about caber increasing test and aiding sex drive and as far as dosing for a hcg 40ius times x amount of days on cycle (shutdown time) this number gives dose not sure if its for the week for shot? But good to be reassured about caber for pct and hcg fot those who didnt take it during cycle.You and heavyiron should talk he seems to know his shit from what I've heard actually theirs a few cats who know quite a bit.

 

[HayBrah]

Thanks for the reply guys.

Just alittle update, I actually cant get my hands on HCG atm, so instead Im just using DHEA and Tribulus while Im doing this 4 week PCT(going on my 3rd week of PCT) and gonna use it 2-4 weeks after my PCT as well, good/bad idea? Comments?

 

[XYZ]

chocalatethunder thats cool to see someone to suggest cabergoline and hcg at roughly 6000ius a week. I also read about caber increasing test and aiding sex drive and as far as dosing for a hcg 40ius times x amount of days on cycle (shutdown time) this number gives dose not sure if its for the week for shot? But good to be reassured about caber for pct and hcg fot those who didnt take it during cycle.You and heavyiron should talk he seems to know his shit from what I've heard actually theirs a few cats who know quite a bit.

Heavy Iron and I are friends.

He knows what he's talking about.

 

[HayBrah]

Thanks for the reply guys.

Just alittle update, I actually cant get my hands on HCG atm, so instead Im just using DHEA and Tribulus while Im doing this 4 week PCT(going on my 3rd week of PCT) and gonna use it 2-4 weeks after my PCT as well, good/bad idea? Comments?

Just an update, since picking up trib and dhea, my libido (urge for sex) has gone up quite a bit although getting it up and keeping it up is still slacking. This is the third week of the PCT, anyone have an idea of how much longer until Ill be back to normal?

 

[HayBrah]

Just an update, since picking up trib and dhea, my libido (urge for sex) has gone up quite a bit although getting it up and keeping it up is still slacking. This is the third week of the PCT, anyone have an idea of how much longer until Ill be back to normal?

Bump, someone just throw me a quick reply so I could put my mind at ease, please. lol

 

[XYZ]

You can do a couple of things here.

-First, wait and see what happens, it takes time for your body to recover. Everyone is different and no two individuals will react the same way.

-Try some clomid, it looks as if you only ran it for a week or two. If you go this route run it at 50mgs for 3 weeks or so. You could try 100mg but some people get sides from it.

-Run some HCG at 2500ius EOD M,W,F for a couple of weeks.

-Run a low dose of aromasin. Your e2 levels may be a little too high right now.

-Strat some proviron, 50mg ED to start.

Be patient, this is going to run it's course and you'll be back to "normal". Next cycle I would suggest having everything on hand in advance and then some in case you run into issues like this.

Are you still using nolva or did you use it?

 

[VictorZ06]

I wouldn't suggest using tren and nolva together again, this could be part of your problem. Nolva and any 19nor together can cause you some problems.

Proviron, HCG, and little bit of time should get you back to normal. And like ChocThunder said, 2 weeks of clomid is not enough. And running an AI such as adex or aromasin for a little bit may also help. Good luck.


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[HayBrah]

You can do a couple of things here.

-First, wait and see what happens, it takes time for your body to recover. Everyone is different and no two individuals will react the same way.

-Try some clomid, it looks as if you only ran it for a week or two. If you go this route run it at 50mgs for 3 weeks or so. You could try 100mg but some people get sides from it.

-Run some HCG at 2500ius EOD M,W,F for a couple of weeks.

-Run a low dose of aromasin. Your e2 levels may be a little too high right now.

-Strat some proviron, 50mg ED to start.

Be patient, this is going to run it's course and you'll be back to "normal". Next cycle I would suggest having everything on hand in advance and then some in case you run into issues like this.

Are you still using nolva or did you use it?

First I wanna say I really apperciate you helping me so much man.

As for your advice, I think waiting it out may be the best option for me at this point. I actually tried to get some HCG but the person who I was going to get it from actually needed it for his next cycle. I ran the clomid already for the first 2 weeks at 50 mgs a day along with nolva at 20 mgs, then for this last week (3rd week of my PCT) I was running nolva at 40 mgs with no clomid and stacking it with DHEA and Tribulus. Do you think I should go back on the clomid for my 4th week of the PCT? I was planning on just running nolva at 20 mgs for this last week (4th and final week of PCT).

I wouldn't suggest using tren and nolva together again, this could be part of your problem. Nolva and any 19nor together can cause you some problems.

Proviron, HCG, and little bit of time should get you back to normal. And like ChocThunder said, 2 weeks of clomid is not enough. And running an AI such as adex or aromasin for a little bit may also help. Good luck.


/V

So do you think I should hop back on clomid for my last week of PCT? 50 mgs Clomid 20 mgs Nolva? Or should I just extend the PCT?

So far this has been the PCT

Week 1-2
Clomid 50 mgs
Nolva 20 mgs

Week 3 (this current week)
Nolva 40 mgs

What I was planning on doing for Week 4 was 20 mgs Nolva, do you think I should go back on clomid for this week? If so should I go back to 50 mgs? Also do you think I should extend this PCT an extra 2 weeks or so?

Thanks for your input as well man. Much appreciated.

 

[HayBrah]

If DHEA is the "mother hormone", wouldnt the use of exogenous hormones be counterproductive to HPTA recovery?

So you think I should cut it off and allow my body to produce it naturally?

TBH I just panicked and added tribulus and DHEA to the PCT to get my test levels up ASAP.

I was planning on tapering off the DHEA and Trib at the end of the PCT

 

[VictorZ06]

So do you think I should hop back on clomid for my last week of PCT? 50 mgs Clomid 20 mgs Nolva? Or should I just extend the PCT?

So far this has been the PCT

Week 1-2
Clomid 50 mgs
Nolva 20 mgs

Week 3 (this current week)
Nolva 40 mgs

What I was planning on doing for Week 4 was 20 mgs Nolva, do you think I should go back on clomid for this week? If so should I go back to 50 mgs? Also do you think I should extend this PCT an extra 2 weeks or so?

Thanks for your input as well man. Much appreciated.

In your shoes, I would most certainly extend PCT for another few weeks using clomid. I would also suggest dropping the nolva to 10mg ed for the next week and cut then cut it all together. Suddenly cutting nolva can sometimes be problematic, so taper off for the next week. I find nolva to be a tool of the past, I see no reason to ever use it during a cycle unless you get a nasty case of gyno for some reason. But at the same time, if you took the AI properly, gyno shouldn't be a concern.

I would run clomid for another 3 weeks, week 1&2 at 100mg ed, and week 3 at 50mg ed. I would also hop on some HCG, Proviron, and an AI, as mentioned earlier. Others may suggest different doses to you, use your best judgement. Nobody here can tell you exactly how much of what to take without seeing all your current bloodwork.



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[XYZ]

In your shoes, I would most certainly extend PCT for another few weeks using clomid. I would also suggest dropping the nolva to 10mg ed for the next week and cut then cut it all together. Suddenly cutting nolva can sometimes be problematic, so taper off for the next week. I find nolva to be a tool of the past, I see no reason to ever use it during a cycle unless you get a nasty case of gyno for some reason. But at the same time, if you took the AI properly, gyno shouldn't be a concern.

I would run clomid for another 3 weeks, week 1&2 at 100mg ed, and week 3 at 50mg ed. I would also hop on some HCG, Proviron, and an AI, as mentioned earlier. Others may suggest different doses to you, use your best judgement. Nobody here can tell you exactly how much of what to take without seeing all your current bloodwork.



/V

What he said. DON'T USE NOLVA EVER EVER EVER AGAIN. NEVER EVER FOR ANY REASON, FOR ANYTHING EVER.

Aromasin, clomid and HCG is all you need for PCT.

Good luck.

 

[G3]

What he said. DON'T USE NOLVA EVER EVER EVER AGAIN. NEVER EVER FOR ANY REASON, FOR ANYTHING EVER.

Why? Let's hear it!!

 

[XYZ]

Why? Let's hear it!!

There are much better options.

First Nolva will decrease IGF-1, that is the last thing you need during PCT. It is not the best thing for you lipid profile and is not a suicidal A/I like aromasin, thus having the potential for a rebound effect.

Using it with a 19 nor is also asking for trouble as it will make gyno cases worse.

It's an outdated drug, there are much better options.

 

[G3]

Thanks for the info, ChocolateT.

 

[G3]

I had thought that nolva was a better choice than arimidex when you were worried about cholesterol problems? Please enlighten me guys! I'm trying to learn! And another dumb question, which common gears are 19-nor??

 

[XYZ]

I had thought that nolva was a better choice than arimidex when you were worried about cholesterol problems? Please enlighten me guys! I'm trying to learn! And another dumb question, which common gears are 19-nor??

19 NORS - NPP, Deca, Tren (any ester).

Negative cholesterol issues while using arimidex and or aromasin or over rated.

 

[XYZ]

It must be an individual thing. Ive never experienced any problems but i agree, there are much better options.

I've seen some studies at pubmed which show that this was indeed the case, however you are probably right in saying that as any single drug will have different reactions to different individuals. If it works for you go for it, personally I would just rather use something else.