Need help with future 1st cycle.

[darkhawk9]

Ok im looking to build my first cycle. For about a year or two away got into body building about 4 months ago age 21,weight 225 body fat 14%,6 foot 11 working on 5000 clean calories a day .Unless someone got another idea my first cycle is going to be Test E 250mg/ml 1-12 at 500mg a week split Mon and Thur.and dianabol (week 1-6 )30mg split up two 10mg in morning and one at night . and nolvadex (week 15-17) 40/40/20 .I dont know if i need hCG.Give me some feed back thanks.
Test E 250mg/ml 1-12 at 500mg a week
D-Bol 30 mg a day 1-6
Nolvadex 40/40/20

 

[Liquidex]

I would just stick with Test-E only at 500 mg a week, for 12 weeks, easy and very simple.

Reason for this is because you dont know how you will react to anabolic compounds.

Also HCG may not be needed on just Test-E 500 for 12 weeks.

Also have some solid PCT planned out. Try this cycle and pct:


Week 1~ 12 : Test-E 500mg per week

Week 12 ~ 16: Nolva 40/20/20/10

Week 12 ~ 16: Clomid 100/ 100/ 100/ 50


Maybe some over the counter test boosters depending.

Always remember, make it easy and simple. You can put on solid 20 pounds if you do it right with this cycle.

 

[Darth]

Maybe it's just me being cynical, but it seems like you are engaging in just a bit of a gear porn fantasy. There are far more important things to focus on for your training after four months than gear. Turn your little four cylinder into a V8 before you start thinking about a blower.

 

[darkhawk9]

. Hence the name for future cycle this isnt going to be something im going to put on for at least another couple of years.Dont want to wreak my endocrine system.Thats why this is a future cycle meaning when the time in life comes and feel its right i will do that then.Ive heard many people say (not to me) you shouldnt get into steroids unless you basicly have a book filled with information.and im doing just that it will be pointless for me to just jump for the sky with out a pair of wings.So i ask for you to teach me in hopes of passing information down so people will not look at steroids and give it a bad name.

Maybe it's just me being cynical, but it seems like you are engaging in just a bit of a gear porn fantasy. There are far more important things to focus on for your training after four months than gear. Turn your little four cylinder into a V8 before you start thinking about a blower.

Well i prob want a v12 and if i had to have a v8 it would be a 440 + 6pack or a ls9 would go great with the 1971 old corvette siting in garage for last about 25 years untouched

 

[Darth]

Res ipsa loquitor.

 

[apache51]

I would just stick with Test-E only at 500 mg a week, for 12 weeks, easy and very simple.

Reason for this is because you dont know how you will react to anabolic compounds.

Also HCG may not be needed on just Test-E 500 for 12 weeks.

Also have some solid PCT planned out. Try this cycle and pct:


Week 1~ 12 : Test-E 500mg per week

Week 12 ~ 16: Nolva 40/20/20/10

Week 12 ~ 16: Clomid 100/ 100/ 100/ 50


Maybe some over the counter test boosters depending.

Always remember, make it easy and simple. You can put on solid 20 pounds if you do it right with this cycle.

Are your recommendations of PCT numbered for every day use?

 

[Mike Arnold]

If you want to use test & D-bol for a 1st cycle...fine, but I would make soem changes. first of all, I wouldn't run a 16 week cycle your first time through. You could, but I think limiting it to 12 weeks is maybe a better idea. Two, save the D-bol for the "end" of your cycle, not the beginning. By saving it for the last 6 weeks, it will give you an opportunity you see how test effects you by itself, before adding anything on top of it. Besides, by using it at the end, when gains get a bit harder to make, you will continue to make great progress throughout the entire cycle intead of blowing up real quick in the first 6 weeks and then deflating when you discontinue it (you will lose only water after stopping the d-bol, but it will look like you lost muscle becaue some of that water is intramuscular). Basically, if you use it first, you will feel like the last 6 weeks were not nearly as productive as the first 6, so try and keep things more even by using it at the end. You will be happier that way, especially as a beginner.

Also, break your d-bol up into 3 different dages. Since each D-bol is dosed at 10 mg and you will be using 30 m daily, take it 3X daily...NOT twice. D-bol has a very short half-life (only a few hours), so you want to keep it active in your body for as long as possible each day. It will lead to better gains.

With 500 mg test, you will ant to use a anti-estrogen. Some people can handle 500 test without experiencing gyno, byt MANY can't...and you don't want to be stuck with no way to fix the problem should it arise. Therefore, I would use 10-15 mg of Aromasin daily during the first 6 weeks when you are using only test...and increase it to 20-25 mg daily when you add the D-bol onto it.

As for HCG, it is always beneficail to use for guys who cycle, as it accelertes recovery and maintains testicle size. 500 IU, 2x weekly (Mon/Fri) works well.

As for PCT, you will be significantly shut-down after a 12 week cycle using test and D-bol, so a 3 week cycle of Nolva at 20-40 mg per day is not optimal. Something like the following would be preferrable:

Weeks 1-12: HCG @ 500 IU, 2X weekly.
Weeks 13-16: Clomid @ 100/100/100/100
Weeks 13-17: Aromasin @ 10 mg/daily.


You could add Nolva onto that if you wanted to at 20-40 mg daily...or you could replace the Clomid wth Nolva only, but Clomid is more comprehensive. However, if you choose to use only Nolva as your only serm, then you will need to run it a minimum of for 4-5 weeks at 40 mg daily. When using Nolva alone, I prefer a 5-6 week cycle at 40 mg daily as Nolva, but 4 weeks is generally considered the minimum, especially after a 12 week cycle using two aromatizing compounds.

 

[darkhawk9]

Is it a good idea to use hcg on this cycle or other cycles i may do in the future from what ive read it builds estrogen.so it comes down to should i use it for my first future cycle?

 

[Mike Arnold]

Is it a good idea to use hcg on this cycle or other cycles i may do in the future from what ive read it builds estrogen.so it comes down to should i use it for my first future cycle?

HCG dosn't "build" estrogen...it simply keeps testosterone production at a normal rate, so of course, that testosterone is still capable of aromatizing. However, normal amounts of aromatization are not a problem and are even benefical. Otherwise, if the tiny amount of estrogen that form from your natural production were a problem, you would already have gyno before using AAS. If you don't have estrogen issues right now, then you won't because of HCG.

Your FAR bigger estrogen concern is related to the test and D-bol you will be using, which will aromatize to a far greater degree than your own test production will. the two can't even be compared. the reasomn guys use AI's with many steroids is because they are using supraphysiological doses of aro,atizable steroids. HCG, on the other hand, does not elevate testosteroine into the sipraphysiological range.

In addition, AI's will stop aromatization to estrogen, regardless of whether it is stopping your exogenous test & d-bol from aromatizing...or your natural testosterone from aromatizing. In other words, an AI will deal with all aromatizable compounds the same, regardless of their source. Simply use an appropriately doses AI when on-cycle and you won't have any estrogen concerns, regardless of whether you use HCG or not. So, yes, it is a good idea to HCG on your 1s and every subsequent cycle...IF you care about maintaining your natural testosterone production and fertility as well as possible. Contrary to what some guys teach, AAS use CAN indeed damage one's ability, permanently, to produce testosterine and sperm. Many, many BB'rs have had problems with their wofe conceiving because of their steroid use...and many BB'rs have had to go on life-ong TRT because of AAS. Using HCG cuts down on the possibility of experiencing those issues, as the testicles themselves will always remain in functioning form. Only the pituitary will encounter issues, but the pituitary recovers more easily than damaged testicles.

 

[darkhawk9]

thanks mike have years more research b4 i try something.i do appreciate it.learned alot about hcg.