Need Help with Gyno!!

[strength is pain]

This is my second cycle and i am starting to experience the start of gyno.
My first cycle consisted of:

30mg dbol ED WK1-5
800mg test enanthate p/wk wk1-12
400mg nandrolone deconate p/wk4-11
30mg stanazolol ED wk8-12

i ran 12.5mg aromosin E2D throughout my cycle and 0.5mg of caber ED while on deca.
For pct i ran clomid and aromosin

My seccond cycle i started about 2months after i finished my first which i regret but ive done it now.

Im currently wk 3 and this is what im upto:

30mg ED stanazolol
750mg test enanthate p/wk
400mg deca p/wk

I have started to form a lump under my right nipple and its sensitive.
Im pretty sure its estrogen related and not progesterone related but my question is does anyone know any good advice for me.

Im using aromosin 50mg ED(ALOT I KNO) aswell as caber 0.5mg ED.
Just started using letrozole at 0.5mg day 1, 1mg day 2.

ill taper up to 2.5mg ed of letro to see if this helps my gyno and ill stop using aromosin in a week or so.

All help is appreciated as gyno scares the fuck out of me.

 

[Roaddkingg]

A few things I noticed is firstly thats way to much cabergoline.
Caber works just fine for most at 0.5mgs 2x wkly.
The other is with letro gyno protocol theres no need to taper UP.
The idea is to hit it hard at first and taper back down IMO.
Such as 2.5 starting and work your way back down for a week or 10 days.
I believe theres a sticky on the letro protocol.
Another thing you have to know about letro is IMO it's a last resort and it's real powerful stuff and will cut you'r estrogen down to about nothing and the side effects from that could be limp noodle.
But when some one has a emergency some times letro is needed.
I know I have it on hand just in case.
Another thing I was wondering is why do you have winstrol in this cycle?
You'r way high on the aromasin. Personally I get by with arimadex at 0.5 mgs mon, wed & fri while on and save the aromasin for PCT along with the clomid.
Perhaps enough research and or thought may not have went in this cycle but I sure hope you get this sorted out. I'm gyno prone myself so I know the scare.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Letro+Aromasin should stomp the gyno out... Deca is a big problem because it can hog the 5-ar. 5-ar turns testosterone into a very androgenic DHT. DHT inhibits estrogens and stops them from acting on estrogen receptors. DHT makes men into men. Deca uses the 5-ar but creates a very impotent androgen when it does so.

You could always use Masteron or Androhard next time to prevent low DHT levels.

 

[titanman03]

my buddy had the same issue , but he started off at 2.5 mg human grade letro , and he had a few side effects like weird dreams and night sweats but it knocked his gyno out , i have heard from many vets if u already have gyno to start out on 2.5mg letro then taper down once it goes away

 

[strength is pain]

A few things I noticed is firstly thats way to much cabergoline.
Caber works just fine for most at 0.5mgs 2x wkly.
The other is with letro gyno protocol theres no need to taper UP.
The idea is to hit it hard at first and taper back down IMO.
Such as 2.5 starting and work your way back down for a week or 10 days.
I believe theres a sticky on the letro protocol.
Another thing you have to know about letro is IMO it's a last resort and it's real powerful stuff and will cut you'r estrogen down to about nothing and the side effects from that could be limp noodle.
But when some one has a emergency some times letro is needed.
I know I have it on hand just in case.
Another thing I was wondering is why do you have winstrol in this cycle?
You'r way high on the aromasin. Personally I get by with arimadex at 0.5 mgs mon, wed & fri while on and save the aromasin for PCT along with the clomid.
Perhaps enough research and or thought may not have went in this cycle but I sure hope you get this sorted out. I'm gyno prone myself so I know the scare.

Thanks mate, alot of good advice here.
i just had some more letro then. Im now using 2.5mg perday.
I kno the aromosin is too high but the only reason i had it so high was because i started niticing signs of gyno and had no letro on hand so i uped the aromosin.
All my research stats to be using 0.5 cabergoline daily at least.
Isnt arimidex a little out dated compared to aromosin and more harsh on your liver.
Regarding stanazolol, why not use it this cycle?
deca holds alot of water and stana holds little to none. so it kind of evens it out a little.
I ran it my first cycle and got good results, was only running 12.5mg aromosin E2D also but i ran it from day 1 which i think it why i did not develop any estrogen related gyno as i stoped it b4 it got in.

Do you think my gyno im developing could be because i did not have a break long enough between my first and seccond cycle.

Il play the whole time on plus recovery equals time off next time round. Also should i stop pinning until my gyno goes away or just keep doing what im doing and let the letro take its path.

cheers

 

[camthman]

All my research stats to be using 0.5 cabergoline daily at least.
Isnt arimidex a little out dated compared to aromosin and more harsh on your liver.
Regarding stanazolol, why not use it this cycle?
cheers

1. I've NEVER seen that much caber recommended. I always heard .5 twice EW.

2. Adex on cycle, Aromosin PCT. (aromosin is steroidal, perfect for pct)

3. I wouldn't use Stanz unless it was pre-comp. Very tough on your joints and liver.

 

[MattPorter]

Agree that REAL caber works great at a twice weekly dosing scheme.

Agree that Aromasin (if any Ai or SERM must be used pct) is my fav for PCT

I think your first 2 cycles are pretty damn high right out the gates.....how long did you train and gain naturally?

saturating your body with an influx of 5-androstane diol and DHT would be your best defense to truly mitigate gyno,,,,,

AI's seems to cause rebound and put you back at point A. I have heard of recent UG labs amking straight DHT enanthate..... best non surgery route to take,,,,,

Androhard converts into potent amounts of 5 androst-diol abd DHT....floods the blood with it....in fact I did a blood test on a beta tester and his range of 3- androstane diol was something like 5000 ng/dL or more..... and the normal range is up to 500

-Matt

-Matt

 

[strength is pain]

thanks lads.

I trained hard and ate properly for 3years b4 i jumped on.
so what dose should i be using caber at twice a week

 

[jimm]

If you have a sex drive you may want to wave it goodbye, cause when you start letro you won't be seeing it for a little while it's horrible stuff!

 

[Roaddkingg]

It would be my reccomendation that 0.5mgs cabergoline 2x wkly is normal. . And the last poster is absolutely correct in that the letrozole will knock you'r sex drive to nothing. When I did a protocol some time back it took me quite some time to be back to normal again. In fact it really concerned me and if I recall it took several weeks if not a month.
When I was talking about winstrol I was meaning that IMO it's a finishing compound like as was mentioned before contest because it can(will) dry you out and harden you up.
Many people have problems with joint & tendons while on winny.
Some people may think that arimadex is some what out dated and that aromason is better but aromason is very expensive(pharm grade pill form) wher as arimadex is much more resonable.
So I use adex on cycle up till PCT and then switch to aromasin.
One more thing I noticed is that you were(are) doing your aromasin EOD I think you had better check the half life as I believe aromasin should be taken daily where as arimadex can be can be taken EOD.
If you end up with a real problem from the letrozole you may look into getting you some good weiner pills like sildinafil citrate 100mgs should do the trick.
I know it does for me. LOL
Hope this helps my friend.

 

[inkd]

my friends experience

I have a "friend" who had gyno in both nips...hard as rocks, started letro at 2.5 mg per day till gone, then continue that level for another week, then taper for another week at 2 gram, then another at 1.5, etc....yes it is true-libido is GONZO, but with enough concentration, and the right girl, no problem perfoming...letro is harsh, so use as a last resort--bet advice is now that you know you are susceptible to gyno, prevention is better than correction