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Originally posted by cornfed
Watch yer ass, bud...I have greater power than ever b4. And Welcome J'Bo. :D


Why is Kuso always having to watch his ass? :D



Welcome J'Bo.

Yes 4 months can really produce the changes you are looking for!


DP
 
I hate when i lose my message too.
I have done it about 10 times already on this site.

Anyways do you think i could do these exercises instead:
Phase one: 1&1/4 Lying leg curls, Machine squats, Deadlifts, and Seated Calve Raises?

I would be more comfortable doing machine squats, and deadlifts.
 
Great W8!

Yes i want to build muscle and am not really concerned if i gain fat, i know that i can lose it easily.

Here is what i came up with, let me know what you think.

Before i start what do you think of Whole Wheat pasta after your workout?


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I personally say that free squats aren't an absolute necessity. Between leg press (low foot placement), hack squats and extensions, you should be fine. JMO, though many won't agree.
 
post workout, just include appr 15g simple carbs (sugar) and 40-50g long acting carbs (whole grains, yams, whole wheat pasta, etc...) :)
 
Originally posted by cornfed
post workout, just include appr 15g simple carbs (sugar) and 40-50g long acting carbs (whole grains, yams, whole wheat pasta, etc...) :)

:finger: don't be messing w/ my diet!

No sugar, no pasta! Sweet potato, brown rice or oatmeal!

And yeah....machine squats will be okay to start w/ :D
 
She's fricken off-season. You need the dam insulin spike!!! :D + she doesn't care about fat, which won't be a problem anyway!!! Bug off sis! :p
 
Don't fuq w/ me cornbud, I am not fooled by that sweet li'l face, I will still kick your ass :p :D





:grin:
 
I'll be a martyr of the truth then! :help: :gosh: :shake: :scared: LOL :moon: :booty:

I stand by what I said, but if you insist, you could do the slin spike every 3-4 weeks and take advantage of the insulin sensitivity.
 
Here is what i have come up with.

Meal One (pre workout): 9am
4 egg whites (1 yolk), 1/2 Whole wheat bagel, 1 Tablespoon of peanut butter, 1 teaspoon creatine (in 1/4 cup juice)

Meal Two (post workout): 11am
Protein shake w/ water, 4 strawberries, 2 Tablespoons cream, 1 teaspoon creatine

Meal Three: 1pm
Tin of Tuna
1 Tablespoon mayo or low fat dressing
3/4 cup pasta or 3/4 Cup brown rice
celery

Meal Four: 4pm
Banana
1 Tablespoon peanut butter or 10 nuts
1/2 scoop protein w/ water

Meal Five: 6pm
Steak, chicken breast or veggie ground round
2 cups of salad or steamed broccoli or asparagus
1 tablespoon low fat dressing
small potato or 1/2 cup rice

Meal Six: 8:30pm
1/2 cup yogurt, 10 almonds
or
rice cake and peanut butter
or
celery and turkey breast

How is that?

Oh yah i also take: Cal/Mag, Vitamin C and E, Hemp oil (2 Tablespoons), Creatine, and Glutamine (not all the time).
 
I wouldn't do the carbs in the last meal, unless post workout. Plus, I'd throw the creatine all post workout for best absorbancy, or 1/2 1st thing after waking and 1/2 post training. Other than that sounds good.
 
You two are too funny.
Love the competitiveness!

How about this.
I will eat pasta once a week after my heavy leg day Wednesdays.
Otherwise its potatos, brown rice, or yams (they ok?).

I am telling you guys though, i am serious when i say if i stick to a diet and dont cheat i lose body fat and lose it fast. So i don't know if pasta would be a bad idea.

Oh i forgot to mention that just to add to my problem of not being able to gain easily, i am also hypoglycemic (once in a while). I mean that i get tested 3 times a year, and half the time i am and half the time i am not.
 
The sweet potatoes will help curb that, a 'lil. I say do the GI boost every 3 weeks during the weekdays, agree w8? Iy'll help w/ the HGI issue and will take advantage of the insulin sensitivity. I think it's actually better than 1 way or another. Plus you're looking for mass. (don't tell w8, but I say do an all out cheat meal once a week ;) )
 
Originally posted by J'Bo
Here is what i have come up with.

Meal One (pre workout): 9am
4 egg whites (1 yolk), 1/2 Whole wheat bagel, 1 Tablespoon of peanut butter, 1 teaspoon creatine (in 1/4 cup juice)

****6 egg whites would be better than the four. 1/2 cup oats would be better than a bagel, bagels are crap food.


Meal Two (post workout): 11am
Protein shake w/ water, 4 strawberries, 2 Tablespoons cream, 1 teaspoon creatine

****I'd do 3 tbsp of cream...since your trying to add :D

Meal Three: 1pm
Tin of Tuna
1 Tablespoon mayo or low fat dressing
3/4 cup pasta or 3/4 Cup brown rice
celery

****full fat...we use fat to control insulin, low fat dressings have added sugar, and go for the rice.


Meal Four: 4pm
Banana
1 Tablespoon peanut butter or 10 nuts
1/2 scoop protein w/ water

****An apple would be better than the banana, but it's good.


Meal Five: 6pm
Steak, chicken breast or veggie ground round
2 cups of salad or steamed broccoli or asparagus
1 tablespoon low fat dressing
small potato or 1/2 cup rice

****Ditch the low fat crap, see above. Regular potatoes are extremely high GI, sweet potato or yam is a much better choice. What's the srving size on the meat?


Meal Six: 8:30pm
1/2 cup yogurt, 10 almonds
or
rice cake and peanut butter
or
celery and turkey breast

****This is the worst thing....rice cakes are BAD! So is the yogurt...all sugar. turkey breast, celery & almond or peanut butter would be ideal though!

8:30 is your last meal? What time do you go to bed?


How is that?

Oh yah i also take: Cal/Mag, Vitamin C and E, Hemp oil (2 Tablespoons), Creatine, and Glutamine (not all the time).
 
Okay, we agree on something cornbud! I think a good carb up every week is a great idea :)
 
Well, if you carb up once a week, screw my every 3wks thing, there'll be no point. Now, about the creatine...
Don't mix your protein and creatine. Have your creatine(w/ juice) and strawberries right after training...wait an hour and have your protein. one-1.5 hours after that have a full meal. :D I agree w/ w8 on the rest. :D
 
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to quote a great guy... LOL :
Good rules of thumb

3) 1-1.5hr after training, take in 1/3g per pound body wt of Whey P
4) eat a real meal an 1-1.5hr after whey

there

W8, what I meant was due to the time that whey is active in the body and absorbtion time, #s 3 & 4 are needed.

any better? :)
 
Oh, and the protein will lower the GI of the carbs by slowing digestion, so wait on the protein until after the creatine and carbs are used.
 
You have out done yourself, thanks again W8.

A few questions though.

****6 egg whites would be better than the four. 1/2 cup oats would be better than a bagel, bagels are crap food.

I have tried to do more than 4 and it just wont go down, as for oatmeal any other alternatives? I can't bare to eat wallpaper paste.

****I'd do 3 tbsp of cream...since your trying to add muscle mass

I can definately handle that.
I shouldnt do protein with creatine though?
I thought spacing out your creatine would help you absorb it better and not pee it all out.

****full fat...we use fat to control insulin, low fat dressings have added sugar, and go for the rice.

I can do full fat... i can do the rice too.
Should i do a potato or yam every 4 days?


****An apple would be better than the banana, but it's good.

Is 1/2 a grapefruit, or an orange ok as an alternative to an apple?


****Ditch the low fat crap, see above. Regular potatoes are extremely high GI, sweet potato or yam is a much better choice. What's the srving size on the meat?

Ditched! Unfortunately i live in a hic city that doesn't have sweet potatos (go figure). A yam i can do. As for serving size, i really dont know, its about a heman fist. ? I should weight it tommorrow.

****This is the worst thing....rice cakes are BAD! So is the yogurt...all sugar. turkey breast, celery & almond or peanut butter would be ideal though!

To be honest i really was stumped on what to put, usually i would have 4 cups of buttered micro popcorn. Bad food usually happens at this time of day. Why are rice cakes bad? The ones i eat are only 0.1 grams of sugar and 1mg of sodium. Everyone carb loaded on them at the show (including me) and they were the only thing that went down good. As for the yogurt, i am not really good with dairy anyways and now that i just checked the ingrediant list it is i the trash can.

8:30 is your last meal? What time do you go to bed?

I usually go to bed around 10:30pm, when i am dieting and training hard. Otherwise around 12am.

Get this Laura B. said that to gain mass i should eat a donut or pop tart before bed.
Another guy at a trade show i did told me to start shooting B vitamins into my stomach.

There are some real weidos out there.
Thankfully there are people like you guys around.

Can't wait to get up tommorrow and start the new training and diet. Heavy cream here i come! K that sounded sick! I am sure the pervs will be all over that one.
 
the creatine issue, refer to my prev post. Creatine is best absorbed 1st thing in the morning and immediately post workout (depleted glycogen stores in muscles allow the insulin spike [from the carbs taken w/ creatine] to transport the creatine and it will be used). The prob w/ the protein is that it will cause the carbs and creatine to be absorbed more slowly, keeping it from being fully utilized. Plus, you really don't need the protein right after lifting, anyway. the carbs, producing the insulin spike, results in curbing catabolis and even encouraging protein synthesis. But for this to all work, the carbs must be unhindered.
Hope that helps :)
 
Honey

Ok so maybe this is a long shot, but can i have 1 cup of green tea with 1 teaspoon of natural honey in the morning and night?

It calms me and makes me sleep better.

:shrug:
 
Thanks Mr.Innocent it definately did help.

I do take my creatine in am (pre-workout) and post workout.
What would be a good meal 2 for me then?
Just the creatine, strawberries and cream, and then a meal 1 1/2 hours later?
 
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the carbs b4 bed are bad, but you can get away w/ it in the morning, just mix your creatine w/ water instead of the juice at that point. :)
 
Olympia 2002

Hey anyone thinking of going to check out fitness olympia in October? Me and 5 of my fitness friends are doing a road trip to catch all the action. Ir shouold be a blast.
Anyone coming to the Canadian National Fitness and Physique Competition in Winnipeg on June.22nd? Can't wait to see Jenny H. do a routine as our geust preformer. I f anyone is coming into town let me know.
 
Actually, it's wierd to get used to, but the best way IMO is this...
~~w/in 30min of training - creatine(in juice)/strawberries
~~wait 1hr
~~protein shake/cream
~~wait 45mi-1hr
~~regular meal (protein/carb/fat) you could just move meal 3 forward
 
Originally posted by J'Bo
You have out done yourself, thanks again W8.

A few questions though.

****6 egg whites would be better than the four. 1/2 cup oats would be better than a bagel, bagels are crap food.

I have tried to do more than 4 and it just wont go down, as for oatmeal any other alternatives? I can't bare to eat wallpaper paste.

Okay, well, can you add 1/2-1 srving protein or 1-2 oz chicken to bring the protein count up? Oatmeal...you could add a sweetner & cinnamon?...but if not you could try scotch or irish oats, have you tried them, they have a different texture than rolled oats.

****I'd do 3 tbsp of cream...since your trying to add muscle mass

I can definately handle that.
I shouldnt do protein with creatine though?
I thought spacing out your creatine would help you absorb it better and not pee it all out.

I guess :rolleyes: listen to Cornfed on the creatine thing :D ;)

****full fat...we use fat to control insulin, low fat dressings have added sugar, and go for the rice.

I can do full fat... i can do the rice too.
Should i do a potato or yam every 4 days?

Not a regular potato, but you can switch it up every day if you want....yam/sweet potato, oats, or brown rice...all interchangeable. I never eat brown rice, I hate it, so I just stick w/ sweet potato & oats. You can just stick w/ yams & rice and switch whenever you want

****An apple would be better than the banana, but it's good.

Is 1/2 a grapefruit, or an orange ok as an alternative to an apple?

Yeah, 1/2 grapefruit would be good, as would be peaches, strawberries, & blueberries....an orange is okay once in a while.

****Ditch the low fat crap, see above. Regular potatoes are extremely high GI, sweet potato or yam is a much better choice. What's the srving size on the meat?

Ditched! Unfortunately i live in a hic city that doesn't have sweet potatos (go figure). A yam i can do. As for serving size, i really dont know, its about a heman fist. ? I should weight it tommorrow.

Yam is fine, 1/2 cup cooked = about 5 oz

****This is the worst thing....rice cakes are BAD! So is the yogurt...all sugar. turkey breast, celery & almond or peanut butter would be ideal though!

To be honest i really was stumped on what to put, usually i would have 4 cups of buttered micro popcorn. Bad food usually happens at this time of day. Why are rice cakes bad? The ones i eat are only 0.1 grams of sugar and 1mg of sodium. Everyone carb loaded on them at the show (including me) and they were the only thing that went down good. As for the yogurt, i am not really good with dairy anyways and now that i just checked the ingrediant list it is i the trash can.

Rice cakes, and popcorn & pretzels (all popular 'diet' foods) for that matter are extremely high GI and convert to sugar rapidly w/i your system....not what we want w/ this diet at all.

You want 35-40 gram lean protein & 15 gram fat in this last meal...it's got to get you from meal 6 to meal 1 the next day. Protein shake & flax, chicken & p/b, tuna/mayo, eggs/yolks...all good.

I noticed your diet is lacking in fibrous veggies....really a good idea to add those!


8:30 is your last meal? What time do you go to bed?

I usually go to bed around 10:30pm, when i am dieting and training hard. Otherwise around 12am.

Get this Laura B. said that to gain mass i should eat a donut or pop tart before bed.
Another guy at a trade show i did told me to start shooting B vitamins into my stomach.

There are some real weidos out there.
Thankfully there are people like you guys around.

Can't wait to get up tommorrow and start the new training and diet. Heavy cream here i come! K that sounded sick! I am sure the pervs will be all over that one.

Ok, that's some fuked up shiat, lol!

Anyway....CORNFED IS REALLY NOT HELPING THE MATTERS HERE W/ THE SUGAR ;)....the honey is a definite no-no. Here's a little something on the rice cakes:

Dr. Pain...My rice cakes only have 0.1 grams of sugar in them how can they be so high on glycemic index

The GI is not a total authority on how foods affect a BB, a low GI food like an orange is bad for a BB, a high GI like Brown rice works good. Krypto had an excellent post describing this phenominon!
Closest thing to rice cake, and I sure the label is the same, no sugars is (and this came from Mendosa)

Crispix 124 87
Rice Chex 127 89
Rice Bubbles 128 90

Rather than bed, I just looked at 5 different GI lists, everyone has a different POV. I saw brown rice from 56-79, aspartame sweetened yogurt (what a joke) at 14 and this. It is still high, but my point is that these food work poorly for a BB, despite the GI:
Rice, brown 56
Rice, instant 85 - 91
Rice, white 70
Crackers
Graham Crackers 74
Rice Cakes 77
Rye Crispbread 67
Stoned Wheat Thins 68
Water Crackers 72

Among other things. A baked potato is like eating a bowl of sugar and nobody has processed it!
Look at it this way, if it spikes insulin, whether it is coffee, diet pop, or sugar free jello, IN YOUR BODY, then it is bad for YOUR cutting/lean bulking program!

Mikki, BPB, everyone else, I have made several posts concerning this! It should be searchable. I have also made reference to the trade offs involved, as said, release of FFA's vs Insulin spiking. Same thing with post W/O sugar, optimal recovery versus fat burning. ARE YOU ON A CUT OR NOT?

There are a few things I've noticed in my body, coffee imediately before a meal, no problem, otherwise bloat (minor) and smoothness. I like cream and splends (don't start) and I think my body is reacting more to the splenda than the coffee. Caffeine pills, no problem!

If you don't sweeten your coffee and don't notice physiological changes, stay with it, however if you do, it is clinicaly proven that caffeine uptake from soda or a pill is better than coffee! There apparently their are constituents in coffee that inhibit total uptake! Don't ask, some else research this, short on time!

DP


Now, you and Cornfed said not to worry about how much fat you gained. This IMO is a bad idea. Why?

Fact: Cardio eats away at your muscles
Fact: The fatter you get, the longer you have to cut.

If you allow your BF to get too high, you're going to have to go to extremes to get it down to contest numbers...either by doing shitloads of cardio (bye-bye muscles), drastic calorie-restriction (again say bye bye) or a combination of both (hello, did we even add any muscle on our bulk?).....you're going to end up having to cut for a longer period than if your bf were kept in check....the longer you have to cut, the shorter amt of time you have to gain muscle!

I don't know why anyone would choose to work their ass off trying to gain a lot of muscle only to lose half of it when it comes time to shed the fat; when they can add lean muscle mass, bulk for a longer period and lose little LBM when cutting; if they didn't have to! You can add quality muscle, for a longer period of time (think more muscle), have to cut for a shorter period of time w/ less (no) cardio and retain all your LBM that you worked so hard to get....this diet will take you there, but it means NO SUGAR!!!!

I just did this diet, yes it's unconventional in terms of post w/o sugar intake but I'm telling you it works!

Okay, obviously my biatch couldn't even think of coming up w/ this so clearly this is me (w8) and not him, lol.

:yell: ...BIATCH, I TOLD YOU NOT TO LOG ME OUT...YOU STUPID BIATCH :finger: :mad: You're so lucky I didn't lose all this :mad:
 
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