Never did many orals. How would u run this cycle?

[loveabull1]

Went through hrt a while ago. Last cycle I mimicked what the (docs) did for me. This cycle, I wanted to pack on a little more muscle, just a tad, but cut up more. Never did many orals. In my older, more serious days, it was 2.5 searles of var. Not sure what my bodyfat is, but I could lose some for sure. Other than that, 5'9 195-200 usually. Don't wanna put on much more weight. So, here's what I got and plan... 300mg sust ew, 25mg d-bol ed for 7 wks. 200 mast blend ew, then at wk 5 or 6, bump sust up to 450-500 ew. Then add at wk 6, 50 mg of winnies ed. Got plenty of adex, aromisin and nolva on hand as well. Plan on doin the adex 3 days a wk while on cycle. Sound like a decent safe run? Hopefully not much joint pain will happen.

 

[GMO]

Went through hrt a while ago. Last cycle I mimicked what the (docs) did for me. This cycle, I wanted to pack on a little more muscle, just a tad, but cut up more. Never did many orals. In my older, more serious days, it was 2.5 searles of var. Not sure what my bodyfat is, but I could lose some for sure. Other than that, 5'9 195-200 usually. Don't wanna put on much more weight. So, here's what I got and plan... 300mg sust ew, 25mg d-bol ed for 7 wks. 200 mast blend ew, then at wk 5 or 6, bump sust up to 450-500 ew. Then add at wk 6, 50 mg of winnies ed. Got plenty of adex, aromisin and nolva on hand as well. Plan on doin the adex 3 days a wk while on cycle. Sound like a decent safe run? Hopefully not much joint pain will happen.

I would run the Sus high to begin with b/c you are going to have to pin that EOD due to the prop ester. I would also stop the d-bol at week six when you add the Winny. Most people think for your liver's sake, but primarily b/c d-bol will plateau after about 6 weeks if you don't up the dosage and 25mg is pretty tame to begin with. Not sure about the Mast b/c it is one of the few AAS I haven't used, but I think that dose is fairly tame as well.

 

[SUPERFLY1234]

750mg of sust per week(i pin 250mg eod), -400-500mg of masteron per week (i pin 150mg eod), your dbol dosage is ok, winny and dbol should have and am and pm dosage.

 

[loveabull1]

Wow. That much test? I have sust and a couple bottles of prop. Never took dbol though and was wondering about any drop after the dbol. Thats why I was thinking of upping test after dbol. I love masteron!! My fav for sure! Besides sust! Tren gave me the sweats to bad! Figured the winny would do as good. I get tendonitis in the elbow and shoulders though. Don't care much for deca either.

 

[Glycomann]

Sounds OK to me. If you're HRT you're probably older. These young bucks can dump in tons of gear. Us older guys don't really need that much and we get more sides. I think. from what I understand in your post, it looks OKish. Maybe something like this:

1-6 Test 300 mg
6-12 Test 500 mg
1-5 dianabol 25 mg/d
8-12 Winstrol 30 mg/d
3-12 hCG 250 iu EOD

AI 0.5 mg Adex EOD

Keep the winstrol around 30 mg/d. Your joints will thank you. Take a break in the middle from the orals to give your liver a break. You can swap out the adex for nolvadex when you switch to winstrol. It helps offset the joint pain. It acts like an estrogen in joint and bone tissue which offsets what winstrol dysregulates in those tissues. It's a trick the Brits use.

 

[BigBird]

Sounds OK to me. If you're HRT you're probably older. These young bucks can dump in tons of gear. Us older guys don't really need that much and we get more sides. I think. from what I understand in your post, it looks OKish. Maybe something like this:

1-6 Test 300 mg
6-12 Test 500 mg
1-5 dianabol 25 mg/d
8-12 Winstrol 30 mg/d
3-12 hCG 250 iu EOD

AI 0.5 mg Adex EOD

Keep the winstrol around 30 mg/d. Your joints will thank you. Take a break in the middle from the orals to give your liver a break. You can swap out the adex for nolvadex when you switch to winstrol. It helps offset the joint pain. It acts like an estrogen in joint and bone tissue which offsets what winstrol dysregulates in those tissues. It's a trick the Brits use.

What about the Masteron he wants to use?

 

[XYZ]

I would go and get my body fat tested at a local gym, if you're above 10-12% the compounds thet you're wanting to use (minus the dbol) aren't going to get you to where you want to be in the long run. 7 weeks on dbol is a long time, I would go no more than 6 max.

 

[BigBird]

Wow. That much test? I have sust and a couple bottles of prop. Never took dbol though and was wondering about any drop after the dbol. Thats why I was thinking of upping test after dbol. I love masteron!! My fav for sure! Besides sust! Tren gave me the sweats to bad! Figured the winny would do as good. I get tendonitis in the elbow and shoulders though. Don't care much for deca either.

Yeah, frequent test shots are required with those short esters you have between the Sust and Prop bottles. You could choose a long estered Test and pin twice a week, 250mg per shot but it's your call. Deca is well known for assisting with joint pain. That is, it lubricates joints and can make them feel better. You just want to make sure you're not masking an actual injury which will be expedited with aas use. Winny can and will cause joint pain if taken at too high a dose such as 50mg ED. I found this out the hard way. 30-35mg ED should be ok if joint issues are present. The problem is that in the event it does cause joint pain, you won't be able to maximize your strength potential b/c the joint pain will limit your mobility and ability to pump iron with proper form. I've heard a ton of excellent reviews in regards to Masteron.

Never tried it but it's only a matter of time! Also, if you don't want to gain much weight, consider replacing the Dbol with Halotestin, 20-40mg ED for about 5 weeks. Immense strength gains with voluminous effects on muscles but not a lot of actual mass/weight increase.

 

[BigBird]

I would go and get my body fat tested at a local gym, if you're above 10-12% the compounds thet you're wanting to use (minus the dbol) aren't going to get you to where you want to be in the long run. 7 weeks on dbol is a long time, I would go no more than 6 max.

Good call CT.

 

[loveabull1]

Sounds good. Thanks for the feedback guys. I almost forgot the HCG.

 

[tennfan]

Halotestin, 20-40mg ED for about 5 weeks.

no disrespect to u, but DO NOT run halo for that long unless u really do want ur liver to shut down. First of all i would drop the sus, but if ur only gonna run it that low, still break it down into EOD or ur blood levels will be inconsistent as hell. y run a comp drug like masteron if ur not getting ready for a show? just wondering?

 

[tennfan]

i dont like reg deca either couple months ago swithched to npp, excellent results. maybe give that a shot

 

[BigBird]

Halotestin, 20-40mg ED for about 5 weeks.

no disrespect to u, but DO NOT run halo for that long unless u really do want ur liver to shut down. First of all i would drop the sus, but if ur only gonna run it that low, still break it down into EOD or ur blood levels will be inconsistent as hell. y run a comp drug like masteron if ur not getting ready for a show? just wondering?

Well, as is the case with any 17a-a orals, 6 weeks is generally the max recommended/allowed to avoid liver issues. Four (4) weeks is the standard but I believe as long as your liver is in good shape to begin with, it is a strong enough and resilient enough organ to deal with a good six weeks while accompanied with Liver protection supps. So I stepped it down a notch and put five (5) weeks. Of course, it should go without saying that running more than one toxic oral at any given time is a no-no.

 

[loveabull1]

The liver is in good shape. Just had blood work done. I like to keep things on the light side. Being 38, and not competing, I just try to look good. I just got back into full swing of things 3 years ago. I used to compete over 20 years ago. The one thing thats been my biggest thing I hate is, when I was goin through peuberty, I got gyno and was young, and a little stupid. I tried some anavar and then got a 30 cc bottle of test suspension. I blew up like a balloon! Everyone knew! My parents found my stash and mom took me to the doctor to get a lecture. Doc said the gyno would go away but it never did. I went online looking up the surgery for gyno and then ran into a place that dealt with hrt. Gave that a shot and still have the gyno. I even tried letro on my last cycle, that was a bit to much and ruined my sex drive though. That's kinda why I keep things on the light side, love masteron, and stay away from the ones that will bloat me. I was kinda liery of the dbol, but, figured if I keep the dosage low and keep up on the anti-estrogens I should be ok and put on just a little size and strength. Sustanon always seems good for me. Iv'e never gained more than 10 lbs off that, and tend to stay more cut,which is the look I strive for. The joint pain is a concern though. Iv'e been doubling up on fish oil and that seems to help somewhat.