Well the reason she said No No was that salad, carrots, brocolli, and spinach are carbs, on a no carb day. TP, I will let you answer this, but I don't see anything wrong with some leafy, fribrous, carbs. 
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Jo -- here's the diet that TP gave me. I gave you a copy of it this morning but here it is so you'll have it in your journal.
TP -- I am correct that on no carb days, that means, NO CARBS, right?
Was my diet correct yesterday? I just want to make sure that Jo understands?
Since you asked (in a PM) I will give you a diet that has twice gotten me into contest shape:
1. Cardio -- 4 times per week. 45 minutes, moderate intensity. One gram of Liquid L-carnatine 1/2 hour before.
2. Food -- high protein, low fat moderate carbs (W8 isn't going to like this!)
You MUST cycle your carbs. Its a three day rotation: high carb, low carb, no carb.
What types of carbs are allowed? You already know: veggies, oatmeal, potatoes, yams, brown rice, not much else.
Protein sources: lean beef, chicken, tuna, fish, ostrich, lean pork, egg whites, buffalo, turkey.
Meals -- 6 per day
Rules:
-- each meal must have AT LEAST 25-30 g protein from the above sources EVERY DAY
-- no carb days -- foods only from the protein list all meals.
-- low carb days -- in addition to above, meals 1-3 can have 30-50 g of carbs from the carb list
-- highcarb days -- meals 1, 3, and 5 AS MUCH carbs as you want (as long as you get enough protein), meals 2 and 4, 30 g of carbs.
Though I didn't do this back then, I'd add 1 tsp of flax in the morning and one at night. Take 10 g glutamine after you workout. Remove all bars and RTDs. No sauces, condiments, etc except salt, soy sauce and mustard.
Its bland but it works. Do this for six weeks and it will rip you up. Continue to lift hard and heavy and over 6 weeks you should not lose any muscle. I'd like to reevaluate it then. I'd also like to check in an see how its going. If you do this hard core and post (or PM) weekly or biweekly pics we can see the progress.
I know DPW8 won't approve (not enough fat) but I have been paying attention to how your body reacts for a while and I believe this will work. But we need to monitor closely and keep tabs. Oh yeah, keep the water content high!
Let me know if you want to try this.
Please keep in mind this is not a permanent or long term diet, it is extreme, but has twice worked well for me. If something doesn't make sense let me know
TP -- I am correct that on no carb days, that means, NO CARBS, right?
Was my diet correct yesterday? I just want to make sure that Jo understands?
Since you asked (in a PM) I will give you a diet that has twice gotten me into contest shape:
1. Cardio -- 4 times per week. 45 minutes, moderate intensity. One gram of Liquid L-carnatine 1/2 hour before.
2. Food -- high protein, low fat moderate carbs (W8 isn't going to like this!)
You MUST cycle your carbs. Its a three day rotation: high carb, low carb, no carb.
What types of carbs are allowed? You already know: veggies, oatmeal, potatoes, yams, brown rice, not much else.
Protein sources: lean beef, chicken, tuna, fish, ostrich, lean pork, egg whites, buffalo, turkey.
Meals -- 6 per day
Rules:
-- each meal must have AT LEAST 25-30 g protein from the above sources EVERY DAY
-- no carb days -- foods only from the protein list all meals.
-- low carb days -- in addition to above, meals 1-3 can have 30-50 g of carbs from the carb list
-- highcarb days -- meals 1, 3, and 5 AS MUCH carbs as you want (as long as you get enough protein), meals 2 and 4, 30 g of carbs.
Though I didn't do this back then, I'd add 1 tsp of flax in the morning and one at night. Take 10 g glutamine after you workout. Remove all bars and RTDs. No sauces, condiments, etc except salt, soy sauce and mustard.
Its bland but it works. Do this for six weeks and it will rip you up. Continue to lift hard and heavy and over 6 weeks you should not lose any muscle. I'd like to reevaluate it then. I'd also like to check in an see how its going. If you do this hard core and post (or PM) weekly or biweekly pics we can see the progress.
I know DPW8 won't approve (not enough fat) but I have been paying attention to how your body reacts for a while and I believe this will work. But we need to monitor closely and keep tabs. Oh yeah, keep the water content high!
Let me know if you want to try this.
Please keep in mind this is not a permanent or long term diet, it is extreme, but has twice worked well for me. If something doesn't make sense let me know
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You should still be able to eat fibrous veggies on no carb days! They have fibre, and it takes more energy to digest them than they contribute! There's no reason not to eat them!
This post is going to end up being longer than I'd like (since I've said this all before and since I am swamped) but I'd like to set the record straight.
First, the is no one perfect theory for diet or training. Some theories have scientific backing, others only anecdotal, and other just don't work. Most work some of the time for some of the people. A few work almost all the time on almost everyone. But that is not to say that two equally effective diets will be equally effective on any one individual.
Second (now that you have the philosophy), over the last decade or so there has been a groundswell of support for high protein, low (or no) carbs and moderate to high fat. Especially now in the bodybuilding field. This site is a prime example. There is good reason. Such a diet is based on human physiology, and has been scientifically AND anecdotally proven. I myself am a supporter of such a diet.
However, though it will work for some (perhaps many), I cannot get to a "shredded" state (read that, contest ready), taking such an approach. I can, however, live generally w/ a BF% in the 12-18% on this lifestyle.
For me to get lean, I need to cut both my carb AND fat intake. And this includes cutting good carbs. Because of my body type and propensities, I came up with a personal diet that I used twice and ONLY for bodybuilding competitions. I have also put two friends on this diet for prep of there contests (one of them won his first show).
The diet that Fit has started (and is outlined in great detail in her journal) is just that diet. I would not recommend it on a lifestyle basis for everyone. Nor is it a long term "lifestyle" diet, it would need to be modified. Instead it is a very effective (from personal and anecdotal evidence, but not scientific) diet for short term cutting. However, it IS BASED on scientific evidence regarding the human physiology. Indeed it is based on the following principles:
-- high protein is needed to maintain and increase muscle mass
-- controlling insulin levels
-- cycling food quanties keeps your metabolism from going stale
-- calories must be reduced in order to shed bodyfat
-- small frequent food intake is better utilized nutritonally and keeps the metabolism primed
It also applies the following emotional theories:
-- anyone can do anything for a short period
-- having a high carb day to look forward to everythree days is beneficial to the mental state (and calorically offset by the no carb days)
So, while I am not a scientist, this diet does incorporate proven theories.
Got it? These are my opinions. Now, if you want to follow THIS diet, NO carbs are allowed on "no carbs days" (thanks Craig). You can have plenty on your low carb days and unlimited on your high carb days however.
If you choose not to follow the diet to a tee, great. Feel free to take liberties and alter. If you do, let me know the success you have, because I have not tried many tweeks which you could come up with. I can't guarantee success, but I am certainly NOT egotistical enough to believe that someone can't come alone and make a few tweeks and make the diet MORE effective.
I will say that I generally disagree that fibrous veggies are negative calories. I have heard both sides to this coin and I don't believe there is scientific agreement on this (i.e. its subject to debate). With the exception of celery, I should say.
These are my thoughts, if you have a specific question that is not already addressed here, or in other jourmals and posts please ask. But also there is info my journal on this, which is a slight variation.
First, the is no one perfect theory for diet or training. Some theories have scientific backing, others only anecdotal, and other just don't work. Most work some of the time for some of the people. A few work almost all the time on almost everyone. But that is not to say that two equally effective diets will be equally effective on any one individual.
Second (now that you have the philosophy), over the last decade or so there has been a groundswell of support for high protein, low (or no) carbs and moderate to high fat. Especially now in the bodybuilding field. This site is a prime example. There is good reason. Such a diet is based on human physiology, and has been scientifically AND anecdotally proven. I myself am a supporter of such a diet.
However, though it will work for some (perhaps many), I cannot get to a "shredded" state (read that, contest ready), taking such an approach. I can, however, live generally w/ a BF% in the 12-18% on this lifestyle.
For me to get lean, I need to cut both my carb AND fat intake. And this includes cutting good carbs. Because of my body type and propensities, I came up with a personal diet that I used twice and ONLY for bodybuilding competitions. I have also put two friends on this diet for prep of there contests (one of them won his first show).
The diet that Fit has started (and is outlined in great detail in her journal) is just that diet. I would not recommend it on a lifestyle basis for everyone. Nor is it a long term "lifestyle" diet, it would need to be modified. Instead it is a very effective (from personal and anecdotal evidence, but not scientific) diet for short term cutting. However, it IS BASED on scientific evidence regarding the human physiology. Indeed it is based on the following principles:
-- high protein is needed to maintain and increase muscle mass
-- controlling insulin levels
-- cycling food quanties keeps your metabolism from going stale
-- calories must be reduced in order to shed bodyfat
-- small frequent food intake is better utilized nutritonally and keeps the metabolism primed
It also applies the following emotional theories:
-- anyone can do anything for a short period
-- having a high carb day to look forward to everythree days is beneficial to the mental state (and calorically offset by the no carb days)
So, while I am not a scientist, this diet does incorporate proven theories.
Got it? These are my opinions. Now, if you want to follow THIS diet, NO carbs are allowed on "no carbs days" (thanks Craig). You can have plenty on your low carb days and unlimited on your high carb days however.
If you choose not to follow the diet to a tee, great. Feel free to take liberties and alter. If you do, let me know the success you have, because I have not tried many tweeks which you could come up with. I can't guarantee success, but I am certainly NOT egotistical enough to believe that someone can't come alone and make a few tweeks and make the diet MORE effective.
I will say that I generally disagree that fibrous veggies are negative calories. I have heard both sides to this coin and I don't believe there is scientific agreement on this (i.e. its subject to debate). With the exception of celery, I should say.
These are my thoughts, if you have a specific question that is not already addressed here, or in other jourmals and posts please ask. But also there is info my journal on this, which is a slight variation.
Hey TP, can I summarize.
No carbs, means no carbs. Period
No carbs, means no carbs. Period
Don't worry about it. I'm glad you cleared the air, so to speak.
I just hope fraziej1 realizes that what I'm doing may or may not work for her. And she certainly doesn't have to adhere to my meal plans. If she is still in her "tweaking stage" and doesn't feel comfortable switching mid-stream, then certainly she shouldn't do it.
I, on the other hand, need this type of structure. My body holds onto weight and fat like there is no tomorrow. I'm sure my pics are evidence of such. I believe this will work for me. I'm determined to make it work. You know what they say -- "What the mind conceives, The body achieves."
I just hope fraziej1 realizes that what I'm doing may or may not work for her. And she certainly doesn't have to adhere to my meal plans. If she is still in her "tweaking stage" and doesn't feel comfortable switching mid-stream, then certainly she shouldn't do it.
I, on the other hand, need this type of structure. My body holds onto weight and fat like there is no tomorrow. I'm sure my pics are evidence of such. I believe this will work for me. I'm determined to make it work. You know what they say -- "What the mind conceives, The body achieves."
That was awesome TP!!!
fraziej1
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OK, I'm back. Great info. TP and I will trust what you say and do the best that I can. I won't cry over a loss of carbs on certain days, no big deal !!
Am I correct to say that I also need 25-30 grams coming from protien despite our weight difference?
I don't see where you mention what fat sources you want us to have and how many grams per meal.
thanks for your help.
Am I correct to say that I also need 25-30 grams coming from protien despite our weight difference?
I don't see where you mention what fat sources you want us to have and how many grams per meal.
thanks for your help.
Yeah the same amount of protein should be fine (maybe a drop more). There is trace fats in the protein sources. Also you should take a tablespoon of flax once a day. On this plan you should only be getting 20-25 grams of fat per day, which adds up from the chicken, lean meat, occassional egg yolk, etc, but almonds are a no-no.
Can you respost in you measurements section your heigh if it isn't there, and can you post some vertical pictures?
Can you respost in you measurements section your heigh if it isn't there, and can you post some vertical pictures?
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What's the matter TP, neck getting sore?
oh my gosh, your soo tiny!!
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I am taking more photos tonight where I am more "myself" and more relaxed and my hair won't look like crapl
Ok, take away my almonds, is there anything I can appreciate here...........next you'll be telling me that sex burns off calories and to get plenty of it..........
Ok, take away my almonds, is there anything I can appreciate here...........next you'll be telling me that sex burns off calories and to get plenty of it..........
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OK, which one of you guys is gonna have the guts to make a "flat head" comment?
P.S. to fraziej1: Did you know that sex burns off calories and you should get plenty of it.
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I'm glad I'm not the only healthy person around here that noticed those measurements. 
Texas, gotta love it. 
I'd first like to say .. welcome!!! and it's great to see you're taking the time to put this journal together. It can be fun, especially here, lots of support or scolding depending on how you look at it... you're doing great, keep it up!!!
Now that I got that said... I just had to rotate your pics. I don't mind looking at you sideways, kind of like me laying on the bed.. but dammit you got to be naked then!!! Geez...
Now that I got that said... I just had to rotate your pics. I don't mind looking at you sideways, kind of like me laying on the bed.. but dammit you got to be naked then!!! Geez...
I must say you are a definate hottie!!! And it has nothing to do with the 40 inch bust.. not for a second.... okay maybe a little he he
Twin Peak, take care of some administrative duties and clean out your PM box!
We have so many beautiful ladies from TX here... what is it? The water?
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TP, how does this look so far????
Yesterday's remainder of meals.
Meal 3 - chicken fajita meat
Meal 4 - Pork Center Tenderloin
Meal 5 - Turkey
Meal 6 - Low carb Myoplex shake
MAY 22ND
Workout
45 min. Cardio
15 min. abs
Breakfast
6 Egg, white only, cooked 115 calories, 0 fat, 2 carb, 24 P
1 Egg, yolk only, cooked 61 calories, 5 fat, 0 carb, 3 P
1.5 cups Oatmeal, cooked 218 calories, 4 fat, 38 Carb 9g Protien
1 teaspoon of Flaxseed oil 40 calories, 4 g Fat.
Totals 433 calories, 13 fat, 41 carbs, 36 protien
Fitgirl's cooking lunch !!!
Yesterday's remainder of meals.
Meal 3 - chicken fajita meat
Meal 4 - Pork Center Tenderloin
Meal 5 - Turkey
Meal 6 - Low carb Myoplex shake
MAY 22ND
Workout
45 min. Cardio
15 min. abs
Breakfast
6 Egg, white only, cooked 115 calories, 0 fat, 2 carb, 24 P
1 Egg, yolk only, cooked 61 calories, 5 fat, 0 carb, 3 P
1.5 cups Oatmeal, cooked 218 calories, 4 fat, 38 Carb 9g Protien
1 teaspoon of Flaxseed oil 40 calories, 4 g Fat.
Totals 433 calories, 13 fat, 41 carbs, 36 protien
Fitgirl's cooking lunch !!!
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Pitboss, what exactly are you doing in your little picture, taking a leak??? Thanks for the compliments and I drink bottled water only so Texas ladies can only attribute their looks to their hard work and dedication, not the water.
Looks good. Can you post what day of the cycle you are on each morning -- while I remember that today is the low carb day, I can't possible keep track down the road.
Also, what are the macros on the myoplex shake?
Also, what are the macros on the myoplex shake?
Poor Pitboss.
