I'm doing this. I will keep a log and will use HCG next time. I'm doing a high volume workout or block workout with a clean bulk to minimize fat gain.
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I'm doing this. I will keep a log and will use HCG next time. I'm doing a high volume workout or block workout with a clean bulk to minimize fat gain.
I'm about to start my cycle, and was researching clomid (my PCT of choice).
If test e has a half life of about 6 days, should I wait for six days to pass to start using clomid, or should I start on the day of the final injection? I'm getting conflicting reports that it doesnt matter if youre early, but it matters a lot if you are late.
Also, I was thinking of also using nolva at 40mg a day for 4 weeks with the clomid. Sound ok, or is this overkill since they are both SERMS?
If test e has a half life of about 6 days, should I wait for six days to pass to start using clomid, or should I start on the day of the final injection? I'm getting conflicting reports that it doesnt matter if youre early, but it matters a lot if you are late.
Also, I was thinking of also using nolva at 40mg a day for 4 weeks with the clomid. Sound ok, or is this overkill since they are both SERMS?
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You don't need both nolva and clomid, your cycle is not that heavy. Clomid alone will work just fine in your case, even though many guys run both clomid and nolva together. And you are correct, start taking your clomid about a week after your last shot. Good luck bro!
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is it okay if I start in the middle of these two numbers-like say about ten days after? Also, should I front load with 300mg on the first day?
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10 days after won't make much of a difference. IMO, you don't have to front load, I never did, and came out just fine.
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That would be fine (when I said about a week, I meant 7-10 days), and yes...personally I would take 300mg the first day, I always do.
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Clomid dosage after steroids
A Clomid dosage after your steroid cycle is necessary for you to avoid a post-cycle crash.
Clomid is a prescription drug that is advised for women to induce ovulation. In much simpler terms, Clomid is classified as a fertility drug. In the bodybuilding frontier, however, Clomid is commonly referred to as an anti-estrogen. Anti-estrogens like Clomid minimize the effects of estrogen in the body, and this is a desirable property when it comes to preventing catabolism after a steroid cycle.
After a steroid cycle, estrogen becomes the dominant hormone while your testosterone level remains depressed. It will take a while for your body to resume its production of endogenous testosterone and you need to immediately address the issue since elevated estrogen level means the catabolic hormone cortisol is ever present to eat away most of your muscle gains during synthetic steroid intake. Thus, a Clomid dosage after steroid cycle is a must.
For nonmedical purposes, the recommended Clomid dosage after steroid cycle is 50-100mg (equivalent to 1-2 tabs) a day for 4-6 week post cycle therapy. The common Clomid dosage regimen is 300mg for Day 1; 100mg/day for Days 2-11; and 50mg/day for Days 12-21. Should you want immediate restoration of your testosterone production, you can stack your Clomid dosage with HCG.
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A Clomid dosage after your steroid cycle is necessary for you to avoid a post-cycle crash.
Clomid is a prescription drug that is advised for women to induce ovulation. In much simpler terms, Clomid is classified as a fertility drug. In the bodybuilding frontier, however, Clomid is commonly referred to as an anti-estrogen. Anti-estrogens like Clomid minimize the effects of estrogen in the body, and this is a desirable property when it comes to preventing catabolism after a steroid cycle.
After a steroid cycle, estrogen becomes the dominant hormone while your testosterone level remains depressed. It will take a while for your body to resume its production of endogenous testosterone and you need to immediately address the issue since elevated estrogen level means the catabolic hormone cortisol is ever present to eat away most of your muscle gains during synthetic steroid intake. Thus, a Clomid dosage after steroid cycle is a must.
For nonmedical purposes, the recommended Clomid dosage after steroid cycle is 50-100mg (equivalent to 1-2 tabs) a day for 4-6 week post cycle therapy. The common Clomid dosage regimen is 300mg for Day 1; 100mg/day for Days 2-11; and 50mg/day for Days 12-21. Should you want immediate restoration of your testosterone production, you can stack your Clomid dosage with HCG.
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thanks Victor. Much appreciated. Next time, I'll use the clomid with the hcg.
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All good. I have to disagree with one of his remarks though, even though he is correct and the method does work.
I've found that running HCG during the cycle to be MUCH more effective come time for recovery. Some guys don't mind getting testicular atrophy for a couple months...I on the other hand do mind. So, I don't run my HCG with Clomid at the end. Just Clomid alone. I stop the HCG the day I begin PCT. And there is no atrophy at any stage....unlike the method posted above.
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Clomid has sides............I would go with Nolva or torem
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Nolva has more sides in terms of having the rebound effect and post cycle acne....and that's why I avoid nolva like the plague. Nolva is significantly stronger than clomid. They all have sides bro...Clomid can make you feel like a little bitch, in other words...you can become very sensitive, emotionally.
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yes and also eye sight problems. Toremifine is my pick
I'm pretty sure the half life of E is 10.5 days. I see no reason to start clomid or nolva prior to this. Personally I always start nolva 14 days after last injection. You only need it once plasma levels have dropped to average to low levels.
Why start sooner?
I also agree with nolva over clomid. I tried clomid once and I swear I felt weepy.
Why start sooner?
I also agree with nolva over clomid. I tried clomid once and I swear I felt weepy.
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I also like nolva over clomid, it does have its sides, thats for sure
Now that I think about it, I got gyno after the mdrol and just now realized that I used Nolva which might be the reason why I got it in the first place. Problem solved. Clomid it is.
So here's the update; I started at 223 lbs and did a low dose of test (250mg=125 x 2) for 10 weeks and weight went up to 227. Nice gains.
I went a little more and I started doing 500mg a week, and I stand now at 243, with the same bodyfat I started out with at 221.
No sides, except for a constant baseball bat boner and excessive horniness. But who the hell would complain??
I went a little more and I started doing 500mg a week, and I stand now at 243, with the same bodyfat I started out with at 221.
No sides, except for a constant baseball bat boner and excessive horniness. But who the hell would complain??
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Sweet gains. Keep up the good work!
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Will do. I think the strongman training I did for 4 months really helped.
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wow dude. sounds pretty freakin nice for your first run at gear.. lol sounds like sides most dudes are jealous of!
lol thank you. I really took care of the nutritional area; dont get me wrong, it is the holidays but I am enjoying it. I also kept up on the cardio-not too much but enough to not put too much fat on. I'd like to write an article on how to diet with AAS in a bulk, but dont know if my fact finding from Pubmed and Built will count as good references. Many of my members and clients are asking what I did, and because it is a "fitness center" only 2 know whats really going on. But I did get bigger. I just tell them I am eating for size.
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Haha, I'd say go for it, writ it up and post it here, see how people criticize it and go from there. If it takes off, do some real research and look into getting it published.
What I think is funny, is thaty being from new jersey, and being surrounded by the AAS culture, I think I've developed quite an eye to see the differences between "great diet" and the little "extra boost" , even though I haven't taken the jump myself yet...
What I think is funny, is thaty being from new jersey, and being surrounded by the AAS culture, I think I've developed quite an eye to see the differences between "great diet" and the little "extra boost" , even though I haven't taken the jump myself yet...
I would use armidex myself, how about adding hcg throughout your cycle
you will recover much faster.
I actually went with aridimex during the cycle, at 1mg EOD. Works well.
It worked well for me, because I was prepared for anything. After the fiasco with mdrol, I didnt want to repeat the same stupid mistakes. So, I took about 4 months to really read anything and everything and went ahead.
The biggest thing was the actual shooting of the needle, and having a clean environment. It was kind of scary at first, but then after, I was like-thats it? I knew it was easy, but didnt know if it would hurt or not. It doesnt at all. Just take the time to understand anything and everything. Read and read again. And when you think you know enough, read more.
