newbie question

[youngmuscle]

hello guys - i have a few newbie questions regarding steriods and i have read the stickies and older post but still need to clarify a few things in my mind

1 - do you need to run something(nolvadex or arimedex or letro) during steroids to prevent gyno? or do you run it after with clomid?

2- if for my 1st cycle i choose to run a test only cycle , and i am afraid of side effects would i be better off running a fast acting test over a slow? if so why?

3- if taking test shuts down your own natural production , how do youwork out how much you need to take ? (what is my natural levels?)

4- are all steroids hard on the hair and gyno? all older posts seem to suggest that , alot of my friends who take dont seem to suffer from this but alot of people on the site do - if you are someone that suffers from these side effects what havwe you done to combat them and how effective was it

5- if taking test shuts down your natural productionwhy can you not run a non test like winstrol alone?

im sure i will have alot more

 

[Night_Wolf]

1. Nolva is only for when u start getting gyno symptoms.
Is not necessary to run anything, but if u want to be on a safe side u can run it during cycle and in PCT.
2. Slow actings benefit is that u can stop it fast on a first sign of side effects and they clear fast.
U should be alright on enanthat twice a week shot.
3. Natural level is about 50mg a week.
4. DHT derivates can cause hair loss.
Not all steroids are equally harsh. Some of the milder ones are primobolan, anavar...
5. All steroids are a version of testosterone lol yeah even winstrol And all of them shut your production to some degree.

 

[the_predator]

Two things!
1. Do more research! I believe you might have read a few stickys and a couple of posts but you still need to keep reading.
2. How old are you? Gear usage is a big step! Do not even consider this until you are at least close to the quarter mark in your life, and also please tell me you have been training for at least a few years(3-5)

So many people want to jump right into to juicing because they think they are going to look like Jay Cutler and they haven't ever touched a weight. Sorry, I'm not trying to cut you, I'm just ranting!

 

[Ballgame23]

If you are afraid of side effects that's the reason that you want to add an AI like arimidex or aromisin. I personally use arimidex, but I know a lot ppl like aromisin. I use the dex at .5mg per day. This will help to prevent any gyno and keep the bloat down.

Test-E is actually not a real short acting ester and will not clear out right away, it actually works for 4-6 days. If you were really scared and wanted this option the best one is test prop. You do however have to pin it every other day or even every day.

Also if you are really looking for help with a cycle you should provide more information.

Current Stats ie: age, height, weight, bf
Diet
Goals
History of workout experience

If you give us that info it will be much easier to help.

 

[youngmuscle]

thanks for the help guys - im not gonna jump in im trying to get my head around all the stuff really

im 25 been training for 5 or 6 years and feel like i have reached a stage where i wanna try it, seen alot of people around me over the years chuck it in and get big, but not really know what they are doing

im 5 10 roughly 195ibs give or take - my goal is too add a little bit of clean lean muscle maybe 10ibs

my diet is
3 meals 2 shakes a day, i would estimate my bf at around 20% maybe just under (im trying to over estimate a little
meal 1 oatmeal
meal 2 chicke breast or turkey wraps(white bread)
meal 3 chicken steak or fish with rice and veggies or salad

i also currently have a cheat day a week where i consume what ever i feel like eating that day

 

[youngmuscle]

i am afriad of side effects as im sure most guys are - and would rather be over caustious and get less gains then not at all

 

[Vibrant]

1. Nolva is only for when u start getting gyno symptoms.
Is not necessary to run anything, but if u want to be on a safe side u can run it during cycle and in PCT. actually, you only run nolva if you get gyno. run aromasin on cycle and pct. clomid for pct. pct should look like this: pct: clomid 100/100/50/50
aromasin 25/25/25/12.5

2. Slow actings benefit is that u can stop it fast on a first sign of side effects and they clear fast. i think you got mixed up. slow acting esters= they clear slow. fast acting esters = fast to clear
U should be alright on enanthat twice a week shot.
3. Natural level is about 50mg a week.
4. DHT derivates can cause hair loss.
Not all steroids are equally harsh. Some of the milder ones are primobolan, anavar...
5. All steroids are a version of testosterone lol yeah even winstrol And all of them shut your production to some degree.

just to clear up somethings.

 

[skinnyguy180]

1. Nolva is only for when u start getting gyno symptoms.
Is not necessary to run anything, but if u want to be on a safe side u can run it during cycle and in PCT.
2. Slow actings benefit is that u can stop it fast on a first sign of side effects and they clear fast.
U should be alright on enanthat twice a week shot.
3. Natural level is about 50mg a week.
4. DHT derivates can cause hair loss.
Not all steroids are equally harsh. Some of the milder ones are primobolan, anavar...
5. All steroids are a version of testosterone lol yeah even winstrol And all of them shut your production to some degree.

some of this is off

1. dont run Nolva on cycle unless gyno appears even then Letro would be what you need to reverse it. and an AI is what you run while on cycle. letro or arimidex
2. reverse what he said-fast acting esters you can stop imediatly and some symptoms will clear up others you will still need meds for.
3. that is flat out wrong--its different for every person and does not matter really unless you planning on blasting and cruising or on TRT
4. Test should be a base for all your cycles....almost all steroids will shut you down and if you do not have test in your system you could suffer from ED. TEST IS KING. and DHT can only make you lose your hair if you already were going to... Look at you dad and grandpas chances is are if they still have hair so will you after cycling.
5. see 4

 

[skinnyguy180]

thanks for the help guys - im not gonna jump in im trying to get my head around all the stuff really

im 25 been training for 5 or 6 years and feel like i have reached a stage where i wanna try it, seen alot of people around me over the years chuck it in and get big, but not really know what they are doing

im 5 10 roughly 195ibs give or take - my goal is too add a little bit of clean lean muscle maybe 10ibs

my diet is
3 meals 2 shakes a day, i would estimate my bf at around 20% maybe just under (im trying to over estimate a little
meal 1 oatmeal
meal 2 chicke breast or turkey wraps(white bread)
meal 3 chicken steak or fish with rice and veggies or salad

i also currently have a cheat day a week where i consume what ever i feel like eating that day

Eat more often... After about a month or two your body should change and hold onto less fat. First meal needs some kind of protien in it. and get rid of the processed food if you can. Like white bread why not a whole grain bread if you have to have Bread.

i would try and get my body fat down to 15% before cycling fat in the body has the propensity to raise estrogen production making you more suseptable(spelling?) to side effects.

Good doseing for a beginner (like my rat) would be Test E at 500mg a week splitting it into two doses for 10-12 weeks

 

[skinnyguy180]

i am afriad of side effects as im sure most guys are - and would rather be over caustious and get less gains then not at all

If your thinking about using prop cause of the short ester and the ease of stopping... I would reconsider like stated above you would have to pin more often(have you ever pinned) and there is a stigma of PIP that follows Test Prop. dont get me wrong i will probably use prop to kick start a future cycle i just want you to have all the info to have a good expeirence.

 

[youngmuscle]

no i have never pined before

hopefully by the time i research and know abit more my bf will be down some more

i will try and loose the white bread -

what about my cheat day can i keep this? (should i take ice cream out of my cheat day) maybe replace it with choclolate? will this make any difference?

my old man is not bald however my hair has thinned out alot this year

im thinking test only for my first course of gear, if i get good clean gains and keep hold of them , no sides etc i may add something if i decide to go again

i think the fast acting test is a good option for me that way if i feel sore nipples or start to see my hair fall out i can stop right? with some letro during , then clomind and nolva for pct

 

[youngmuscle]

also i guy down my gym said to me that i should add deca 1st for a few weeks then add the test and stop the deca before i add test only , why would this benifit me

 

[vannesb]

also i guy down my gym said to me that i should add deca 1st for a few weeks then add the test and stop the deca before i add test only , why would this benifit me

Stick with test to start with if this is your first time to see how you react. Then if you want to add Deca on next cycle cool! Normaly run deca 10 weeks you will not even notice until week 4 or 5.

 

[skinnyguy180]

also i guy down my gym said to me that i should add deca 1st for a few weeks then add the test and stop the deca before i add test only , why would this benifit me

Dont use Deca with out testosterone- you can get ED and loss of labido

 

[skinnyguy180]

i think the fast acting test is a good option for me that way if i feel sore nipples or start to see my hair fall out i can stop right? with some letro during , then clomind and nolva for pct

I would stick to the long estered test either cyp or enanthate Letro can revers the gyno while still on cycle so you dont have to stop. But if your that worried about your hair falling out man i would just stay away from steroids. I mean there is finasteride and shampoos that "might" help prevent it but nothing is certain when it comes to you hair.

 

[Night_Wolf]

some of this is off

1. dont run Nolva on cycle unless gyno appears even then Letro would be what you need to reverse it. and an AI is what you run while on cycle. letro or arimidex
2. reverse what he said-fast acting esters you can stop imediatly and some symptoms will clear up others you will still need meds for.
3. that is flat out wrong--its different for every person and does not matter really unless you planning on blasting and cruising or on TRT
4. Test should be a base for all your cycles....almost all steroids will shut you down and if you do not have test in your system you could suffer from ED. TEST IS KING. and DHT can only make you lose your hair if you already were going to... Look at you dad and grandpas chances is are if they still have hair so will you after cycling.
5. see 4

I wasn't clear lol a little misunderstanding
1. Run AI while on cycle to be on a safe side. Keep nolva on hand for emergency.
2. Typo. U corrected me nicely.
3. Usually is 49-72 or something like that. It doesn't matter like u said.

 

[Hubauer]

no i have never pined before

hopefully by the time i research and know abit more my bf will be down some more

i will try and loose the white bread -

what about my cheat day can i keep this? (should i take ice cream out of my cheat day) maybe replace it with choclolate? will this make any difference?

my old man is not bald however my hair has thinned out alot this year

im thinking test only for my first course of gear, if i get good clean gains and keep hold of them , no sides etc i may add something if i decide to go again

i think the fast acting test is a good option for me that way if i feel sore nipples or start to see my hair fall out i can stop right? with some letro during , then clomind and nolva for pct

Man, I just ran Test C only for 10 weeks, seems like a good choice for a first cycle. (or Test E) I would keep the cheat day, you really need all the calories you can get just keep it clean on the other days.

As far as sides and hair loss, my hair has thinned alot recently, but I didn't get any hair loss or sides (with the exception of some water retention). No one can tell you for sure if you'll lose any hair or not, but if you're going to lose it anyways, wouldn't you rather lose it adding another 20lbs of muscle?

 

[youngmuscle]

so you dont run anything to prevent gyno or hairloss during a cycle you wait till after, also whats the diff between arimidex letro and provron an d letro arent they all the same

 

[Vibrant]

Don't use deca for a first cycle. You are afraid of sides, and if you do run test + deca, how will you know what sides are from which compound? Just stick to test for a first cycle.

 

[Vibrant]

so you dont run anything to prevent gyno or hairloss during a cycle you wait till after, also whats the diff between arimidex letro and provron an d letro arent they all the same

During a cycle run aromasin. For pct clomid 100/100/75/50 and aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5. That should prevent gyno.

letro is to reverse gyno for when you do get gyno.

 

[youngmuscle]

so why not take it during to prevent it fully?

also when doing a test only cycle do you have to build up the amount you take over the weeks or do you just atke a certain amount from week one?

some people have said not worth shutting your natural test levels down for just one jab/pin a week ? why not, wouldnt only taking a small amount be easier to recover from>

 

[pieguy]

so why not take it during to prevent it fully?

also when doing a test only cycle do you have to build up the amount you take over the weeks or do you just atke a certain amount from week one?

some people have said not worth shutting your natural test levels down for just one jab/pin a week ? why not, wouldnt only taking a small amount be easier to recover from>

You do take aromasin during your cycle at anywhere from 12.5mg every other day to 25mg every day if needed and depending on how aromatizing your compounds are. You can take finasteride I believe to slow down hereditary hair loss, but unless you're genetically inclined to lose hair, you'll just notice a thinning of your hair.

If you're just starting out, you take a static amount of Test every week, usually twice a week. As an example, you dose on Tuesdays and Fridays at 250mg. This means 500mg of test a week (~355 actual test usable). As you get more advanced or if you're particularly daring, you can frontload your test or up your dosage in week 8 when gains start to decline. Once you involve more compounds, it gets way more complicated.

Nobody says it's not worth shutting down your natty test at one shot a week. What they're probably saying is you shouldn't dose at 1 shot per week in order to keep your test levels stable. That's why people recommend bi-weekly injections for longer esthers (enth and cyp) or every other day (EOD) for short esthers like propionate. They also might be referring to only doing a cycle if you want to commit a good 8+ weeks of time on. This is more of an opinion because some people only do short cycles of 4-6 weeks at a time, but to each his own.

It's rather complicated to argue short or long cycles as cycle length is goal dependent, recovery dependent, drug dependent, etc. etc... If you go longer than 4-6 weeks of a cycle, I'd recommend using Human Chronic Gonadotropin (HCG) in order to aid in recovery once the test clears. This'll help you recover faster and keep more gains.

 

[youngmuscle]

thank yu so much that makes a lot of sense - im thinking i want to do around 6 weeks of test maybe 500 mils a week

 

[booze]

thank yu so much that makes a lot of sense - im thinking i want to do around 6 weeks of test maybe 500 mils a week

500mls? You need to do more research. And why only 6 weeks?!

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[youngmuscle]

sorry i ment mg

6 weeks as i dont want to put my body under too much stress for my first time , i also dont wanna add ridiculous amounts of weight as family and work will notice so i was hoping to add around 5 to 10 ibs of clean bulk , also i figured the less time on the better my body will bounce back and less likely to get sides

 

[pieguy]

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/a...blast-cycles.html?highlight=short+blast+cycle

Minimal posted some info I believe about short blast cycles and how they're less suppressive and you can usually run stronger compounds for less time. The downside of short blasts however is less gains and more time spent in PCT year round compared to time on cycle.

I'm pretty excited to try a test prop/tren ace 6 week cut cycle paired with T3/Clen though. Sounds like the ideal cutting environment.

 

[youngmuscle]

would i be better of taking hgh if im worried about sides such as gyno and hair loss

 

[skinnyguy180]

would i be better of taking hgh if im worried about sides such as gyno and hair loss

dont worry about gyno if you are taking aromasin and have letro on hand this is not an issue.

and if your hair is what your worried about man up whats more important its simple.

Your not ready for gh there is a lot more info to take in and a lot more ways to screw it up. not to mention you are having issues with longevity as it is gh Is usually ran for long periods of time, shot twice a day and EXPENSIVE!!!!

 

[pieguy]

HGH and peptides are a completely different, difficult to understand ball game haha. I'm still reading about peptides and all I do is research lately. Although i'm shooting for a very detailed understanding of them instead of just, reconstitute with AA and keep injecting.

Gyno is a non-issue with a test only cycle and a good aromasin protocol. Hair loss, you just gotta suck it up and maybe utilize finasteride which you can research on this board. Ideally, just look at the males in your family tree and see if they have hair in their golden years. Speaks for itself whether or not you have the disposition to lose hair.