Next Cycle - 2 options

[SJ69]

My last cycle was a little weak (250mg enanthate e6d)
I am considering two options for the next cycle and would appreciate input.
I am going to do a bulker in the fall or winter and a cutter early in the late spring.
My goals are a 10% increase in bench (and other lifts) and a 10% gain in mass.
OPTION #1
100 mg prop EOD for 8 wks
25 mg dianabol ed first 3 weeks
Arimadex throughout from a liquid research Co (unsure about dose)
Nolva 20mg ED PCT

OPTION #2
500mg Enanthate (250 twice a week)
300mg Deca once a week
25mg d-bol ed for first 4 weeks
Arimadex (or Nolva) throughout
Nolva 20mg ed PCT

I think option #2 might be more effective and cheaper, but I'm worried about recovery, especially without reliable HCG from wk 4 on.
Option #1 is nice bc of the faster results and easier recovery, esp without the HCG. But the prop I'm looking at is $150 for 10ml of 100mg/ml, WAY too expensive!! I know Sust would be a happy medium, but again beyond my budget.
Assuming I find a better deal on the prop, which cycle sounds better for my goals?
Background info - 34 years old, 187 lbs, 300lb bench, 350-400g protein and 3500-4000 Cal's planned diet.
Thanx

 

[TrojanMan60563]

In reality they will probably both do fine. If you go with option 1 I would run the prop 150mg EOD. Otherwise I think you would be better off using the enanthate

 

[JerseyDevil]

I like option 1 better. Except I'd bump it up to 10 weeks, and go 150mg eod. 100mg eod of prop totals only 350mg/wk. Also go 4 weeks with dbol. Most people use .25mg of arimidex ed. Domestic t prop usually goes for around $40 for 20ml of 100mg/ml.

 

[Supermans Daddy]

Where's tha TREN ?! ha ha ! Peace and Love

 

[Mudge]

Forget the prop at that price, I'd pay $20 for that.

I'd go #2, dont even need the deca IMO.

 

[LAM]

#2 - and lose the deca

 

[SJ69]

Thanx for the input guys.
You think the Deca's hard shutdown/recovery outweigh the additional benifits have som more anabolics circulating?
Well I'll take your advise and prolly skip the Deca.
What if I can find the prop for a better price? Still go with #2?

 

[ZorroAzul]

Bro, Nolvadex, HCG, etc... so easy to find... keep looking, HCG is definitely worth the effort... specially at your age, you are not 21 anymore and the recovery will on average take longer.

 

[Mudge]

I've run deca @ 600mg for weeks straight along with test and noticed no special benefit other than how my joints felt, and you can run much less and get the same bennies. I just dont think deca is all that special, some love it, I dont give a hoot about it really.

Now fina on the other hand, you could make at home 40cc@100mg/ml for under $100 and it rocks, but it will hit those nuts bigtime and the ED/EOD injections get old for a lot of people. I was rotating 4 sites EOD and previously 8 sites ED and thats a lot of hitting.

 

[JerseyDevil]

The only downside to prop I can think of is the fact you have to inject eod. Other than that, it kicks in almost immediately (as opposed to 4-5 weeks for enanthate), and if for some reason you have adverse effects, and want to stop, prop will be out of your system in about 5 days. Enanthate and cyp about 2 weeks. Although it depends on the person, many say prop will cause you to retain less water then the longer esters, and also less susceptible to gyno.

That said, if that's the best deal you can get on prop... then definitely go with #2 .

 

[Mudge]

Yep I love the short esters but the body can only enjoy so much abuse, I am probably going back to long esters after coming off of 12 weeks of EOD shots.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

JD your right on about the sides thing. I'm a perfect example. I would have been up shits creek without a paddle if I chose to run enan. I wasn't bothered with the injections, but I loved how it was out of my body almost as quick as the effects set in.

 

[JerseyDevil]

Yep I love the short esters but the body can only enjoy so much abuse, I am probably going back to long esters after coming off of 12 weeks of EOD shots.

I hear that. I was thoroughly tired of injecting after 11 weeks of eod. Couldn't imagine going much more then 12 weeks with prop.