No HCG on PCT - Only Nolva

[musclepump]

How big of a difference is made between using only Nolva PCT compard to Nolva and HCG? I'm not willing to inject anything, meaning no HCG for me. What should I expect by not taking it?

 

[gococksDJS]

What are you running? HCG is generally run during cycle...

 

[Philiagorillia]

If your not willing to inject anything what are you doing thinking about doing a cycle for, or is this being used for something like M1T? Personally if your gonna be doing a regualr test cycle you better have both clomid and nolva, HCG is not really needed unless your running a long term cycle that is gonna shut you down really hard for a long period of time. But i preferr to use it even with a simple 10 week test cycle, recovery just seems better, and i always use clomid and nolva too....

 

[Mudge]

Even some PH guys have had testicular atrophy, some people get hit hard and some dont. I was in between, test was fine, but once I started using tren it was over.

 

[musclepump]

Your balls don't work anymore, Mudge?

I'm just running MD1T for two weeks. With that then I don't need HCG? I'm planning on Nolva, ZMA and Milk Thistle for PCT.

 

[Mudge]

Your balls don't work anymore, Mudge?

I never "needed" HCG until I started using "harder supplements."

 

[Purdue Power]

I had to run some HCG in the middle of my pct from M1T. The injections don't hurt at all, because you inject it into the fat on your stomach and you use insulin needles, which are very small.

 

[musclepump]

What about your M1T cycle made you need it, Purdue?

 

[gococksDJS]

What about your M1T cycle made you need it, Purdue?

The fact that your testicles are nonexistent on M1T. It will shut you down hard and for a while. I personally will run HCG with future M1T cycles, but once they are illegal, you might as well just run real gear. Your liver would agree..

 

[musclepump]

I'm new to all this PH/PS/Gear stuff... what good gear can you take that you DON'T inject?

And DJS, in your opinion, are the gains you get from M1T worth the sides/lethargy/test shutdown for however long?

 

[deeno]

I'm new to all this PH/PS/Gear stuff... what good gear can you take that you DON'T inject?

If your not willing to inject stay away from AAS and look into some ph/ps.

 

[gococksDJS]

I'm new to all this PH/PS/Gear stuff... what good gear can you take that you DON'T inject?

And DJS, in your opinion, are the gains you get from M1T worth the sides/lethargy/test shutdown for however long?

Some people don't see any sides. The only two i saw were mild headaches which i fixed with goodys headache powder, and lethargy, which i used 4-Derm to combat. I didn't really shut down until PCT, but after PCT I got my libido back. I just think that since all these will be illegal soon, you might as well use real gear. Pinning is scary your first time but gets easier and easier until you almost look forward to shooting. And injectibles are much easier on your liver, while M1T tears your liver up.

 

[musclepump]

You see good results on M1T with those lack of sides? What did you run for PCT?

 

[LAM]

If your not willing to inject stay away from AAS and look into some ph/ps.

ditto...

some people still don't realize how harsh M1T is. I would advise a low dose test enanthate cycle a million times before M1T...

 

[gococksDJS]

You see good results on M1T with those lack of sides? What did you run for PCT?

I saw great results. I started at 10mg's a day and then moved to 20 and finally stayed at 25mg's a day. I just ran nolva for PCT and all is fine now. I agree with LAM. You can feel how taxing M1T is on your body, and since they will all be the same legally, i am going to stick with real gear.

 

[musclepump]

How much weight did you put on and how much did you keep after PCT?

 

[gococksDJS]

How much weight did you put on and how much did you keep after PCT?

Probably about 12-13 lbs. but a lot of it was water weight. I probably kept about 6-8 lbs.

 

[musclepump]

6-8 pounds is nothing to sneeze at.