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BigBird said:
Maybe the OP should get some blood work done by the doctor in order to eliminate (or confirm) possibility of a chemical/hormonal imbalance. I know of skinny fat guys and fat skinny guys whose bodies are train-wrecks and their natural estrogen levels are above average. Maybe OP has an issue with low T and/or elevated estrogen the way he's describing the fat accumulation on his body despite being ultra-skinny. Just a thought that could be a good starting point to find out which direction is needed.

But then again, he claims to workout a lot which takes a lot of energy (something low T would probably interfere with) so who the heck really knows.
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Funny thing u said that dude , I feel some times I have low t levels
But
Still I do have sex , can have a erection and can build muscle
Those areas that I mentioned have developed years ago when I was semi obese 15 yo
So
Fat cells still there u know , will always store fat there
And y u guys think I'm skinny
My weight is ideal
Even when I was 56 Kg , I had a average bmi , and oh yeah still looked like crap

And 5000 cals are u srs ?
In a blink of an eye I'm fat again
I wad bulking on 2700 and i looked like I needed to join the biggest loser
Srs


Anyway no disrespect to y'all and I'm very thankful
I got
Clomid 50 mg and nolva 10 mg that's all I can get
How can I dose these for pct ?
Plus I also go AI armidix , think it's alright , right ?
AI will be taken twice a week with test or daily
And my test is 300 mg , 150 mg twice a week every three days
For 6 weeks
Stop for two weeks then take pct for a month
After
Start a new cycle
 
VictorZ06 said:
2700 cals to bulk along with 300mg test EW? A waste of time and gear. Good luck...



/V
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But dude ,my maintenance is 2100 I'm seated all day
( desk job)
Isn't 2700 enough for leaner gains?
Yeah and isnt 300 - 500 mg what is recommended ?

Will consider upping cals though
Thanx again 4 da help
 
Obviously you're not listening. We recommended you not do anything at all. Now if you took the time to read the first cycle and pct sticky, you'd know that the minimum to bother with considering how the test will shut you down is 500mg/week. That's only ~350 actual test once you consider long esther releasing less.

You're not understanding the necessity to increase calories when on an AAS, which helps you build muscle at an increased rate. Those 2700 cals making you fat (highly doubtful) is not 2700 cals making you fat on test so stop comparing.

Also, if you're getting fat on 2700 cals, you probably have a terrible workout routine or eat incredibly poorly. I recommend tracking your macros to the dot because something doesn't add up in your story. Maybe it is abnormally low test coupled with abnormally high est that makes you fat. Otherwise it's just your poor diet/exercise execution.
 
blublak90 said:
hi
20 YO
Male
2 years gyming
63 kg
168 cm

will start first cycle ever with test taking about 400 mg weekly
with a AI called primo or something

question :
do i have to take PCT

cuz i herard i dnt need PCT when taking test

thank u
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Bro, you're too young. Using aas at to young an age while your still developing both physically, emotionally and mostly, PSYCHOLOGICALLY is sheer madness.
I know this because alot of my friends started way too young and are now on TRT for life, and an emotional roller coaster..in other words..They're a fukkin mess.
While in your teens and early 20 s you need to take full of advantage of your natural test and push your limits without the risk of the early onset of testicular atrophy, hypertension, low test level s etc. brought on by introducing exo test into a perfectly running HPTA system.
Emotionally you're not ready because you're willing to fuck your life over just to gain faster, even though you can still gain ass tons more naturally.
The high s and low s that come with aas usage and stoppage are difficult to varying degrees with many people but they are there..and few young men can resist the urge to stay high on em vs the reality check that is...normal test.
Enjoy your youth, embrace it..look in the mirror and realize you're blessed with what you have and let s see how far you can push this with food rest training and god s good graces.
Fuck with em too young and you ll be royally fucked in the long run. Trust me, TRT may not seem that bad at first, but that shit gets old VERY fast.
You need to realize that your body is your temple, and if you abuse it, then it ends up collapsing. Wait until you're 24-25 to start any aas, bro. Stick with a solid nutritional plan, a killer training regime, and steady supplementation. Believe me when I say that the gains you'll get when you've reached your natural peak are LIGHTYEARS ahead of the gains you'll make if you start aas with this much natural potential.
Remember, this is not a sprint; nor is it a marathon. It's your life, and lets put health aside for a second and look into what could happen if you do start aas. Since you didn't hit your peak naturally, your body will not be properly primed for aas induced growth; therefore hindering your serious gains in the long run.
So do more research, and continue busting your ass NATURALLY with food/training/etc. until you're ready.


Best Regards,
Noheawaiian
 
Since you seem to know more than the many guys on here that are trying to help you, post before and after pics so I may learn the way please!
 
what's the point of eating 2,5g x pound in proteins? (not trolling nor being sarcastic)
 
Mr.BIG said:
Since you seem to know more than the many guys on here that are trying to help you, post before and after pics so I may learn the way please!
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No man , I'm not saying I know more than u guys
I'm very thankful for All of you , I signed in these forums to get information and help
And I wouldn't go and just stick a random needle in my butt without knowing wat I'm doing
That's why I'm still researching to get more info
Again thank you all for the great advices and help
But Srsly with all respect to all of you
I have made up my mind and will go with this
First cycle , if I got any side effects after all the pct and AI ( still d
Researching )
I will stop


I dnt have any pics on my pc right now , I'd love to post

Basically here's my weight fluctuations over the years

15: 103 Kg
16 : 85 Kg
18 : 68 Kg
19 : 82 Kg
20 - 21 : 57kg - 63 Kg ( after I took 4 months off and got back with a 2 month bulk )
 
BigBird said:
Maybe the OP should get some blood work done by the doctor in order to eliminate (or confirm) possibility of a chemical/hormonal imbalance. I know of skinny fat guys and fat skinny guys whose bodies are train-wrecks and their natural estrogen levels are above average. Maybe OP has an issue with low T and/or elevated estrogen the way he's describing the fat accumulation on his body despite being ultra-skinny.
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Big, I'd bet you're in the right direction.

To the OP, get this good advice an go to see a doctor before pinning anything into your body. This could make things worse.

If the doctor comes back with a good hormonal profile, your diet and training is in check and so on... maybe you can think in doing a mild cycle.

But still, is not adviced taking hormones b4 23-24 y.o. in my opinion. Be on the safest side pal.

Peace.
 
Ive seen some bad genetics before man and to be honest mine arent the best for getting as big as id like. but heres the deal if you spend the next four years practicing and learning what you want to do. When your body is ready-meaning you fully developed mentally and physically-and you start gears your going to be able to do things you did not think you ever could..

You start now you could be alright you could be fucked up for life too?!

Plus you still need more education just by looking at what youve set up.....
 
Start reading, after 3 months of reading and you still haven't figured out that 20 or sorry just about 21 is to young for ass "than pin directly into your butthole then you will not need PCT", is great advice and will save you time and money.
 
blublak90 said:
That's why I'm still researching to get more info
Again thank you all for the great advices and help
But Srsly with all respect to all of you
I have made up my mind and will go with this
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With all do respect, you are a fool who has no clue about anything that we discussed here.

Many of us have been in this game for longer than you have been alive, and you still want to ignore the sound advice placed before you. If you all ready made up your mind with how you plan to fuck your body up, why come here seeking advice?

We are wasting our time trying to help you because you are a stubborn individual, as you very well demonstrated. Do you think we are giving you bad advice just for the hell of it, or do you think that perhaps we are simply trying to help you from making a mistake that many have made in the past?

All you need is a steak and some weights, oh...and a little something something between your ears. :banned:



/V
 
Vic is that the tren speaking.lol just let him be.
 
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64kg or 139lbs and starting AAS. What a joke. My girl probably has more muscle mass than you and probably lifts more too.
 
Hate to see a stubborn/ignorant kid not take the great advice he's been given. You hate to see people have to learn the hard way. Good luck kid
 
So the advice that u actually offering me is to do another 3 years of the nightmare I went through ?
Gr8 and yeah a random 5000 cals for a 140 pounder ? Do u think I'm ur average undereating ectomorph ?
I would eat 12000 cal for breakfast if it will get me wat I want naturally
Just Imagine urself in my place wat would u do , 3 years and all I got is 15 Kg loss and lil biceb definition
I'm not a fool I told u I'm not like going to start it 2morow .
I'm still researching
Am just tired man of seeing ppl who I started WO with eating BK and dnt know how to deadlift right staying shredded everyday , and am bustin ass And logging lettuce in my food log and looking the same , god I hated that cut
I was hungry every second and was eating just to make it go away
I give up with being natty , enough I think this is my natural potential , yes :/
 
blublak90 said:
So the advice that u actually offering me is to do another 3 years of the nightmare I went through ? :/
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unfortunatly yes that is the only advise to give you... Its like smoking when your pregnant..... ITS A TERRIBLE IDEA... some women still do it and not all of them have complications.. but its still a BAD idea. I could just see one of them sitting there like you "but im irratable eating everything insight your saying i just have to deal with it for 9 months" YES YES YES...

I get it your fed up and no one here is saying stay away from steroids for ever they are just telling you the facts.. It is DANGEROUS to use steroids at your age!!
 
You're 20 years old man! You're still a long way away from hitting your natty potential. Your diet and training have to be way off. I've never seen anyone that trains and diets correctly have no success. I don't even know what to say to you anymore man. You've been given advice by guys that have been doing this for decades and are giving you opinions based on their experiences. They're not giving you this advice for shits n giggles. They're doing because they're here to help.
 
my turds are more then 64kg. keep eating.
 
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